Premiership - 13th August 2011

by Guest Sat 13 Aug 2011, 9:01 am

First topic message reminder :

Today sees the return of the premiership! (about time, It's a nightmare during the summer with no footy)

Today's matches:

Blackburn v Wolves 15:00
Fulham v Aston Villa 15:00
Liverpool v Sunderland 15:00
Newcastle v Arsenal 17:30
QPR v Bolton 15:00
Wigan v Norwich 15:00

How do you see the games going today?
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by Fernando Fri 19 Aug 2011, 9:57 pm

FreekShow wrote:
fernando wrote:he likes to go back and forth between here and argentina so would suit him fine

He is seriously taking the urine if he uses his home-sickness excuse as a reason to join Arsenal though Nando.

nothing would surprise me with tevez, does he ever spend more then two seasons at a club?

by Guest Fri 19 Aug 2011, 10:12 pm

fernando wrote:
FreekShow wrote:
fernando wrote:he likes to go back and forth between here and argentina so would suit him fine

He is seriously taking the urine if he uses his home-sickness excuse as a reason to join Arsenal though Nando.

nothing would surprise me with tevez, does he ever spend more then two seasons at a club?

Nope and I think he is always about the money, money, money. I don't think he is the sharpest tool in the box either otherwise his PR would be a hundred times better. Is he still moaning about not being able to speak the language? The guy is a mercenary in my book. Arsenal can do without.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 9:42 am

I'd be dissapointed if we didn't take anything from today's game, Arsenal are looking very weak, and we're only missing Gerrard and possibly Johnson. I just hope Dalglish starts Kelly ahead of Flanagan and probably drop Henderson as well for Kuyt or Meireles, we need a bit more experience in there for this game, and I don't want to see us lose it in a poor second half again.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 11:54 am

Thankfully Kelly has replaced Flanagan, but we've also dropped Suarez and replaced him with Kuyt which is seriously dissapointing, I can only assume that he has some kind of small injury as he was our main threat against Sunderland. Only other expectation is that Dalglish is playing a bit more defensively, Kuyt works best with Suarez so it's a real shame.

Still feeling optimistic though.

by AberdeenSteve Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:00 pm

SUNDERLAND V NEWCASTLE

Sunderland: Mignolet, Bardsley, Brown, Ferdinand, Richardson, Larsson, Cattermole, Colback, Elmohamady, Sessegnon, Gyan.
Subs: Westwood, Gardner, Wickham, Vaughan, Ji, Bramble, Laing.

Newcastle: Krul, Simpson, Steven Taylor, Coloccini, Ryan Taylor, Tiote, Cabaye, Barton, Obertan, Gutierrez, Shola Ameobi.
Subs: Harper, Williamson, Lovenkrands, Gosling, Ba, Best, Marveaux.

by AberdeenSteve Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm

Is Demba Ba unfit or something? He is by miles the best striker they have.

Also, any got any bets on today's football?

by Fernando Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:03 pm

Arsenal Vs Liverpool

Arsenal Szczesny; Sagna Koscielny Vermaelen Jenkinson; Frimpong Ramsey; Walcott Nasri Arshavin; Van Persie. Subs: Fabianksi, Miquel, Lansbury, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Miyaichi, Chamakh, Bendtner

Liverpool Reina; Kelly Carragher Agger Enrique; Henderson Lucas, Adam, Downing; Carroll, Kuyt. Subs: Doni (gk), Flanagan, Skrtel, Meireles, Spearing, Suarez, Maxi.

by Guest Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:07 pm

AberdeenSteve wrote:Is Demba Ba unfit or something? He is by miles the best striker they have.

Also, any got any bets on today's football?

Ameobi always has a good game against Sunderland. But Ba will come in the second half imo, glad to see Jonas/Obertan starting.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:09 pm

We need to get a result against Arsenal today, Frimpong and Jenkinson are obvious weak points, hopefully Nasri will be too demotivated to play at his full ability and Koscielny and Szczesny are liable to mistakes.

by Guest Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:10 pm

That Sessegnon's got a shot on him!

by AberdeenSteve Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:12 pm

Jenkinson has been seriously thrown in the deep end. Henderson has to tear him to shreds today.

by Fernando Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:15 pm

Wenger wouldn't throw people in that aren't ready for the premier league so i wouldn't count on henderson taking him apart.

by Guest Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:17 pm

Blatant penalty and a red card. FFS Webb, sort it out!

by AberdeenSteve Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:18 pm

He's never played at a higher level than League One though. I seriously think Wenger will regreat putting him there.

What sort of player is Frimpong?

by AberdeenSteve Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:19 pm

Churchill, I don't care if he should have been sent off. It is great seeing Joey Barton not getting what he wants, kumquat!!

by Fernando Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:20 pm

he looked composed against udinese in the qualifier and frimpong is a defensive midfielder

he was going to be in the 1st team last season but got a cruciate injury and was out for 9 months, he's charges around like essien on drugs

What happened to barton?

by Guest Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:21 pm

But it's what we deserve. It was blatantly blocked fof the line with his arm. Wouldn't mind if it was debtable, but it's clear as anything.

Nando, from a corner Ameobi knocked it on to barton who headed towards the top corner. Larsson jumps across and knocks the ball away with his arm- just a corner given.

by AberdeenSteve Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:23 pm

Frimpong sounds like the sort of player you have been lacking for years

by Fernando Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:23 pm

how hasn't the ref given that

I was looking forward to seeing frimpong last season could be quite handy.

the person people need to watch coming from the bench is ryo miyachi bit like walcott but with a trick and a end product

by Guest Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:25 pm

I can only guess his view was blocked, but his assistant on that side should have spotted it. S.Taylor just had a good knockdown that Obertan ignored.

Bardsley just been caught late by Cabaye, who's quite angry, Ameobi trying to keep it calm. Cabaye booked.

by Fernando Sat 20 Aug 2011, 12:31 pm

meireles on the bench is an odd move considering he was 1 of liverpool's better players last season

by AberdeenSteve Sat 20 Aug 2011, 1:10 pm

Koscielny off, Iggy Miquel on.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 1:36 pm

We're looking strong defensively, just need to have a bit more cutting edge going forward, I'm very impressed with Enrique and Downing ont he left side though, they both look very decent.

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 1:41 pm

Miquel looking OK since he came on and Jenkinson holding his own too. Frimpong a real live wire. Arsenal need to find a way to get Theo more into the game

by AberdeenSteve Sat 20 Aug 2011, 1:51 pm

Now that is what I call getting none of the ball Laugh

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:02 pm

We need to put more pressure on the younger defenders, Vermaelan is doing very well though. Maybe getting Frimpong a bit wound up might help as well, get him sent off.

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:04 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Maybe getting Frimpong a bit wound up might help as well, get him sent off.

Typical scousers

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:06 pm

Davie wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Maybe getting Frimpong a bit wound up might help as well, get him sent off.

Typical scousers

Want to explain?

Pretty sure it's a fairly common thing in football to wind people up during the game. In fact, one of Arsenal's "legends"; Martin Keown was infamous for trying to wind people up.

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:10 pm

I'm just amazed people openly suggest trying to get someone sent off

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:12 pm

Davie wrote:I'm just amazed people openly suggest trying to get someone sent off

I don't understand why that's so amazing, I'm not suggesting we break any rules or anything like that, but if Frimpong who has been one of the better players for Arsenal was to be sent off it would open Arsenal up for us.

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:13 pm

Trying to get someone sent off is against the rules. It's cheating

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:16 pm

Well you got your wish. Hope you feel good about it

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

He's gone.

I'm not suggesting to do anything that breaks the rules. I don't think there is anything in the rules against winding an opposite player up.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

It's hopefully make it easier for us yes.

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:18 pm

I suppose you were cheering Joey Barton on last week for getting Gervinho sent off then?

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:19 pm

Davie wrote:I suppose you were cheering Joey Barton on last week for getting Gervinho sent off then?

Of course not. He broke the rules when he grabbed hold of Gervinho, but the sending off was valid, Gervinho slapped Barton, the dive was over the top but Barton was just making sure the referee saw it.

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:20 pm

Cheating then

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:22 pm

Davie wrote:Cheating then

The grab was cheating, and he was punished for it. The over-the-top fall was not cheating, contact was made.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:24 pm

YES!

1-0!

by **Derbyblue** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:29 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Davie wrote:Cheating then
The grab was cheating, and he was punished for it. The over-the-top fall was not cheating, contact was made.

Overreacting is cheating, if he hadn't fallen to the floor I doubt Gervinho would have been sent off.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:31 pm

Derbyblue wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Davie wrote:Cheating then
The grab was cheating, and he was punished for it. The over-the-top fall was not cheating, contact was made.
Overreacting is cheating, if he hadn't fallen to the floor I doubt Gervinho would have been sent off.

Which only further shows why Barton had to go down, Gervinho slapped him, whether it was soft or not, that is a straight red card, but because the referee didn't have a good view, he may have missed it. Gervinho should have been sent off, plain and simple.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:36 pm

Suaaaarreeezzz!

by **Derbyblue** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:39 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Derbyblue wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Davie wrote:Cheating then
The grab was cheating, and he was punished for it. The over-the-top fall was not cheating, contact was made.
Overreacting is cheating, if he hadn't fallen to the floor I doubt Gervinho would have been sent off.

Which only further shows why Barton had to go down, Gervinho slapped him, whether it was soft or not, that is a straight red card, but because the referee didn't have a good view, he may have missed it. Gervinho should have been sent off, plain and simple.

Oh so diving is ok if it gets someone sent off, if it means the "correct" decision is made?

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:40 pm

It wasn't a dive though, if no contact is made, then it's a dive, but he was slapped, however softly, so he didn't dive.

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:41 pm

2 goals, 2 offsides, 10 against 11

Sums it up really

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:45 pm

Happy with the win. I don't think Suarez was offside for the second goal.

Even if we didn't win it in a better way, the performance we put in was pretty encouraging, and a win can only give a boost to our confidence, I was very worried that we would fail to kill the game off despite the fact that we dominated possession and always looked assured at the back.

It has definetly shown that Arsenal need some improvement, particuarly in central defence, Vermalean and Frimpong were your best players, and Frimpong ruined it by getting sent off. Arshavin looks a shadow of the player he once was, Van Persie looked alone up front, Wallcot is dangerous down the left, but didn't really have any final product. Investment is obviously needed.

On the other hand, our side looks pretty good, we just need to finish games off earlier and more convincingly.

by **Derbyblue** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:45 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:It wasn't a dive though, if no contact is made, then it's a dive, but he was slapped, however softly, so he didn't dive.

How was it not a dive? Yes contact was made, but contact that even a baby wouldn't have fallen over from, it was a clear dive in the fact there was probably a 2 or 3 second delay between contact and reacting.

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Of course not. He broke the rules when he grabbed hold of Gervinho, but the sending off was valid, Gervinho slapped Barton, the dive was over the top but Barton was just making sure the referee saw it.

by **Crimey** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:48 pm

Derbyblue wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:It wasn't a dive though, if no contact is made, then it's a dive, but he was slapped, however softly, so he didn't dive.
How was it not a dive? Yes contact was made, but contact that even a baby wouldn't have fallen over from, it was a clear dive in the fact there was probably a 2 or 3 second delay between contact and reacting.

It doesn't matter whether you think somebody else wouldn't have gone down from the slap, the fact is Gervinho slapped him and deserved to get sent off. Barton only went down because he was slapped. In the same way if a striker was running straight for goal, clear goal scoring chance and was clipped by a defender, that's a red card whether or not the player goes down or not, if you think that a baby wouldn't have gone down from the challenge is irrelevant, the offence was there.

by **Derbyblue** Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:53 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Even if we didn't win it in a better way, the performance we put in was pretty encouraging, and a win can only give a boost to our confidence, I was very worried that we would fail to kill the game off despite the fact that we dominated possession and always looked assured at the back.

Dominated possession? You had 51% of possession against a team full of players who wouldn't normally be playing if Arsenal had a fit squad.

by Davie Sat 20 Aug 2011, 2:55 pm

51% against 10 men for the last 20 minutes.

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