England vs India - third ODI

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So here we go again, England have won the toss and decided to bowl first, Cook feeling it isn't easy to defend a score here at the Oval. England make the one change, with Trott coming back into the side for Samit Patel, while India make two changes: Jadeja in for Tiwary to strengthen their bowling, and R.P. Singh for Vinay Kumar.

England team
AN Cook*, C Kieswetter†, IJL Trott, IR Bell, RS Bopara, BA Stokes, TT Bresnan, GP Swann, SCJ Broad, JM Anderson, JW Dernbach

India team
AM Rahane, PA Patel, R Dravid, V Kohli, SK Raina, MS Dhoni*†, RA Jadeja, R Ashwin, P Kumar, MM Patel, RP Singh

Surprised Aaron still not given a go...

He just doesnt instil confidence in me at all trebbs

How different is this match to the 23 over knock about the other day.

Bith sides far more watchful.

What a drop, that could have been a match winner the way Kieswetter has been batting

well, plenty of time yet Billy.

Either side can win from here really.

If Eng did manage it and get to a 2 match cushion then they could maybe experiment even more and not worry about a tied series. But they have to do the business here first and that isn't easy.

Evening all, looks like we let them off the hook big time today, what's the pitch like? Is 234 a 'par' score? Only 4.44 RRR so no need to rush which is handy for Trott and Bopara later!

Oh, Kieswetter out!

Oh dear.

We are losing this aren't we.

billy was right.

hhhmmm, i hope that i am still wrong :-)

This slow stuff is going to beat us.

Where did india find this?

Ah well we are massive underdogs in this form.

Don't worry guys, Bopara will save the day again

You cursed them billy.

Awful from eng sadly losing to what is really a poor attack thats playing well under lights.

dhoni, jadeja and ashwin did play well, but now we have to rebuild.

Hmm, rain.

I was stunned we avoided rain.

Eng should have kept their wickets.

Would have been well ahead instead of a little.

Sky indian guy is sure it's a tiny amount.. Gower less so.

Trott has again wasted a lot of deliveries before getting out The bloke isnt an ODI player IMO.

Close game, poor from eng.

Indian guy gushing over them again, eng poor again compared to his team.

Yep.we could see the damage of losing kp and moggy.

Bumble saying india spin outclasses swann.

They also rate india as well in control.

Just when India looked on top, the rain has arrived to save England. This is so frustrating and terrible.
Now with the wet ball and wet outfield, the 2 Indian spinners will find it dificult to grip the ball and sustain the same kind of pressure, and the pace bowling unit is good for nothing for India. PK has been the one bowler to look up to, but it his form is ssuffering at the end of a long and lonely tour.

Save eng msp?

Bit early to say surely?

England are and were still favourites, rain or no rain.

we are ahead on duckwroth lewis, and we bat deep!

liverbnz wrote:England are and were still favourites, rain or no rain.

Seems like a laughable comment after watching their spinners causing problems.

Stokes looks totally out of his depth.

Still anyones game, arrogant to say anything else.

We are number one.

Ah an england fan.

trebellbobaggins wrote:We are number one.

Ah an england fan.

Huh?

I'm still struggling to understand how Taylor was jettisoned after 1 game, yet Stokes was kept on .

Good question.
one poor game is too soon.

Same with stokes?

We Are Number 1!!! wrote:

liverbnz wrote:England are and were still favourites, rain or no rain.

Seems like a laughable comment after watching their spinners causing problems.

Stokes looks totally out of his depth.

It's effectively his debut, and he has plenty if time to play himself in. As will the rest of England's deep batting line-up. Bookies had England as favs, commentators did, as well as most others with an ability to grasp a bit of perspective, I'm sure.

Not sky.

You only have to watch to see.who they support.

trebellbobaggins wrote:Good question.
one poor game is too soon.

Same with stokes?

Not really my friend, Taylor is a wonderful batsman, whereas Stokes is more of a slogger. Don't get how Bopara gets more lives then a cat, yet Taylor was dropped right away

we are number 1

give him a go mate, he came in in though conditions, with the ball spinning, give him a chance to show what he can do!!

cricketfan90 wrote:we are number 1

give him a go mate, he came in in though conditions, with the ball spinning, give him a chance to show what he can do!!

I'm all for giving someone ago, but Stokes is an all rounder and at present he can't bowl. So if its a pure batsman then Taylor should be picked before Stokes.

To be fair it bodes ill for our india tour if we cannot play spin.

I'd say it's in the balance. The advantage is that the RR isn't too high so no need for risks to be taken, very tough situation for Stokes to be in but a good chance to see what he can do. India favourites for me purely because we only have Bopara left who is a 'proper' batsman, Bres, Broad etc. can hit a ball but aren't going to see us home from a long way out, balance of the side doesn't feel quite right, Bresnan a place too high at 7 for me. If we can get through 10 overs without losing another wicket we'll be in a decent position.

trebellbobaggins wrote:To be fair it bodes ill for our india tour if we cannot play spin.

don't worry Harbhajan Singh declared himself fit this morning, so both Jadeja and Ashwin will be dropped!

We Are Number 1!!! wrote:

trebellbobaggins wrote:Good question.
one poor game is too soon.

Same with stokes?

Not really my friend, Taylor is a wonderful batsman, whereas Stokes is more of a slogger. Don't get how Bopara gets more lives then a cat, yet Taylor was dropped right away

He wasn't dropped. England rotate their team, especially against weaker nations. He's now been rotated out, as he most likely would have been regardless of how he performed in Ireland, bar a monsterous innings. England clearly see Stokes as the big hitter to bring balance down the order that they sorely missed during the WC, and have for some time.

They should be back on but its going to be difficult conditions for both. The game is still evenly poised in my opinion.

We Are Number 1!!! wrote:

cricketfan90 wrote:we are number 1

give him a go mate, he came in in though conditions, with the ball spinning, give him a chance to show what he can do!!

I'm all for giving someone ago, but Stokes is an all rounder and at present he can't bowl. So if its a pure batsman then Taylor should be picked before Stokes.

Does seem strange, It though Stokes was picked to give it a whack at number 7 but now he's playing a role perfectly suited to Taylor at number 5. Odd. Also resting KP is fine but surely when your next best ODI player gets injured he should come back in? Batting looks weak with Stokes/Bopara and 5/6.

Yes with moggy out kp should be dragged out of bed.

india need to re learn how to win games lol.

trebellbobaggins wrote:Yes with moggy out kp should be dragged out of bed.

Ignoring the reputation KP has, would his record in ODis in the last 3 years have him anywhere near the team?

It would have him ahead of Bopara and Stokes!

lol bopara is about the same pace as indian's quicks

Lose ten overs and just a few runs.

Easy for india now.they can't lose now surely.

trebellbobaggins wrote:Save eng msp?

Bit early to say surely?

You know Trebs, just when India had their 15 minutes in the sun, the damned rain came in to take out any momentum that the 2 Indian spinners were building with those wickets and quiet overs. Even after all that, England was ahead on DL, and even if the match restarts as it appears to be happening, then the conditions would be tough for Ashwin and Jadeja who looked like the only bowlers who could do the unlikely job for India.

Nah MSP, dl has given this to your boys. Eng have no big hitters and a huge target, they're screwed.

Going by India's struggles this summer, even Jimmy A will his fancy his chances with the bat.
Seriously, England bats deep, and the lower order has got the fire power. The lesser runs there to be scored, the more effective they will become.

I think Sunday will be the last game in this series. Next two weeks look very wet in the West.

I think India can do this today. Either Swann was very poor or there is more turn now. India making him look stupid with the turn they get.

Looks an Indian spin fest out there.

damn

England are running away with this one, 90 in 18 overs, they should walk it.

what happened for "damn"?

nothing on sky?