Post MATCH discussion THREAD - Wales vs France

[maestegmafia]

First topic message reminder :

Well played France a deserved winner... great effort by Wales but silly mistakes cost us a better result...

Good luck to Australia and New Zealand tomorrow

[Thomond]

Rodders, dropping Ryder on his head would be the best thing to happen this world cup. RTE pundits believed it was a red except Frankie who was sceptical. Get behind the boys in red, Welsh fans. Cymru am bith and all that.

[rodders]

Wow actually looking at the replay...yeah a red looks spot on. Clerc could have broken his neck.

Pienaar stop talking nonsence.

Broken his neck? By landing on his shoulders?

I suppose the fact that it was obviously a near fatal tackle is reflected both in the red card for Warburton and Clerc being rushed off for immediate emergency surgery?

Never a red card in all my days.

Learn the rules. If you lift the player you a can't up end him, drive him or drop him. You have to bring him down safely. It was 100% a red card.

[Standulstermen]

France look back to the team that got beat by Tonga. Wales arent out of this by a long way

[TheGreyGhost]

He obviously tried to lift him. He obviously drops him.

Obviously a red card.

Can't see what the complaint is.

[valjester]

Changed my mind having seen it again. That wasn't red as he dropped him to avoid driving him.

Again letting go of the player is as bad as driving as you are not in control of the tackle. I do feel sorry for him. He isnt a malicious player and his play has deserved more.

Similiar tackles in the tournament so far have been yellowed but afterwards the players have been banned for between three to five weeks. This means that the tackles should have been reds so its the right decision.

I still can see france losing this and wales running out comfortable winners.

[Thomond]

People are saying it ruined the match. There's three points in it and France are playing terrible!

[Knowsit17]

Got to pull it together now, nothing will make the situation better now. Still looking better than France in open play, just got to realise it's not beyond us and get out of our shells.

[maestegmafia]

Wow actually looking at the replay...yeah a red looks spot on. Clerc could have broken his neck.

Pienaar stop talking nonsence.

Broken his neck? By landing on his shoulders?

I suppose the fact that it was obviously a near fatal tackle is reflected both in the red card for Warburton and Clerc being rushed off for immediate emergency surgery?

Never a red card in all my days.

well fecking said

There are always controversial moments in rugby. we should expect it to go against us one day.

lets hope they keep their heads while those playing against us are loosing theirs...

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Does working for a French company and having been there on an exchange scheme qualify me for France? Beginging to think I might need to jump ship again .....

[Standulstermen]

Changed my mind having seen it again. That wasn't red as he dropped him to avoid driving him.

Again letting go of the player is as bad as driving as you are not in control of the tackle. I do feel sorry for him. He isnt a malicious player and his play has deserved more.

Similiar tackles in the tournament so far have been yellowed but afterwards the players have been banned for between three to five weeks. This means that the tackles should have been reds so its the right decision.

I still can see france losing this and wales running out comfortable winners.

I wouldnt disagree. I can see why Rolland gave Red but i dont think there would have been too many complaints had it been yellow.

[valjester]

Rodders, dropping Ryder on his head would be the best thing to happen this world cup. RTE pundits believed it was a red except Frankie who was sceptical. Get behind the boys in red, Welsh fans. Cymru am bith and all that.

Frankie has probably been dropped on his head a few times.


France are playing terribly, wales need a change at ten and they will win this.

[Portnoy]

Terrible biased commentary from the stands and the studio. And a trigger happy ref are ruining this game as a TV spectacle.

[maestegmafia]

Changed my mind having seen it again. That wasn't red as he dropped him to avoid driving him.

Again letting go of the player is as bad as driving as you are not in control of the tackle. I do feel sorry for him. He isnt a malicious player and his play has deserved more.

Similiar tackles in the tournament so far have been yellowed but afterwards the players have been banned for between three to five weeks. This means that the tackles should have been reds so its the right decision.

I still can see france losing this and wales running out comfortable winners.

fair comment mate... good point

we have a great team, they just need to

BELIEVE



like the adverts say...!

[Cowshot]

He didn't pile drive him, he dropped him. There was no malice I could see. And Clerc wasn't really hurt. A yellow, yes. But why a red? Just spoils the game over nothing.

Only thing saving Wales at present seems to be France falling to bits, thinking perhaps they've won the game already.

[rodders]

Anyways Wales are still very much in this.

[Standulstermen]

Yachvili looks like he is playing on one leg. He needs replaced

[maestegmafia]

That was a huge turn over by toby the great...

[maestegmafia]

jones on for hook

[Mad for Chelsea]

Jones on for Hook, good call

[TheGreyGhost]

Move on cowshot, you're not a referee.

[PJHolybloke]

Wow actually looking at the replay...yeah a red looks spot on. Clerc could have broken his neck.

Pienaar stop talking nonsence.

Broken his neck? By landing on his shoulders?

I suppose the fact that it was obviously a near fatal tackle is reflected both in the red card for Warburton and Clerc being rushed off for immediate emergency surgery?

Never a red card in all my days.

Ask BOD about that

Had Clerc have been dropped on his head, you'd have a point of sorts, he wasn't. Case dismissed the two "tackles" were nothing like.

[rodders]

He didn't pile drive him, he dropped him. There was no malice I could see. And Clerc wasn't really hurt. A yellow, yes. But why a red? Just spoils the game over nothing.

Yes I agree but that is still a red. You can't drop the player. That is the rules.

[faraway]

c'mon bring on stephen jones!!!!!

[nathan]

Move on cowshot, you're not a referee.

you are.....

[maestegmafia]

He didn't pile drive him, he dropped him. There was no malice I could see. And Clerc wasn't really hurt. A yellow, yes. But why a red? Just spoils the game over nothing.

Only thing saving Wales at present seems to be France falling to bits, thinking perhaps they've won the game already.

if wales keep their heads they could stay in this game...

france might fall apart if they cant score in the next ten

[EnglishReign]

lol, what a pass from Yachvilli.

[valjester]

He didn't pile drive him, he dropped him. There was no malice I could see. And Clerc wasn't really hurt. A yellow, yes. But why a red? Just spoils the game over nothing.

Only thing saving Wales at present seems to be France falling to bits, thinking perhaps they've won the game already.

The law states that dropping is considered dangerous play, the fact that clerc is okay is, and should be, irrelevant. The IRB directive states;

"The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player’s safety. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle."


Rolland followed this and made the right decision.

[Guest]

lol, what a pass from Yachvilli.

Something else wasn't it.

[Thomond]

BOD wasn't dropped on his head both guys were dropped on their shoulders.

[rodders]

http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/mediazone/pressrelease/newsid=2040903.html

The amended Law 10.4(j) will now read: Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play.

The amended Law will operate globally from December 1, 2010.

[Notch]

I posted this in the pub, but to clarify;

https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=67132625664&topic=9546

This is the memo on spear tackles from 2009.

To summarise, the possible scenarios when a tackler horizontally lifts a player off the
ground:


The player is lifted and then forced or “speared” into the ground. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle.


The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player’s safety. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle.


For all other types of dangerous lifting tackles, it may be considered a penalty or yellow card is sufficient.

So have to say; fair play Alain Rolland. Maybe one of the refs can come in and clarify if there has been any change on that in the last two years?

[Gatts]

He didn't pile drive him, he dropped him. There was no malice I could see. And Clerc wasn't really hurt. A yellow, yes. But why a red? Just spoils the game over nothing.

Only thing saving Wales at present seems to be France falling to bits, thinking perhaps they've won the game already.

The law states that dropping is considered dangerous play, the fact that clerc is okay is, and should be, irrelevant. The IRB directive states;

"The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player’s safety. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle."


Rolland followed this and made the right decision.

he only dropped his head

[Davie]

See the other Warburton thread for a YouTube link of the tackle

[Cowshot]

with no regard to the player’s safety

I thought he showed regard for safety by realising the tackle had gone wrong and letting go of him. But it's interpretation at that point.

Real shame anyway.

[EnglishReign]

lol, what a pass from Yachvilli.

Something else wasn't it.

That's one thing about the French, no matter how poorly they're playing they still get the basics spot on. So skillful and fearless.

[Mad for Chelsea]

France have been terrible today

[nathan]

have to admit, this commentator is soooo biased!

[rodders]

Cowshot thats why he got sent off. He's not allowed to release him in the air. He has to bring Clerc down in a way where his upper body or head doesn't hit the ground 1st.

[valjester]

He didn't pile drive him, he dropped him. There was no malice I could see. And Clerc wasn't really hurt. A yellow, yes. But why a red? Just spoils the game over nothing.

Only thing saving Wales at present seems to be France falling to bits, thinking perhaps they've won the game already.

The law states that dropping is considered dangerous play, the fact that clerc is okay is, and should be, irrelevant. The IRB directive states;

"The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player’s safety. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle."


Rolland followed this and made the right decision.

he only dropped his head

I don't know what you're trying to say.

with no regard to the player’s safety

I thought he showed regard for safety by realising the tackle had gone wrong and letting go of him. But it's interpretation at that point.

Real shame anyway.

Dropping a player isn't showing regard for his safety. Its extremely dangerous. I'm sure there are other people on here who have been injured after getting dropped on the upper part of their body in a tackle.

[maestegmafia]

have to admit, this commentator is soooo biased!

Ex Grandslam winning capt Michael Owen

in a semi final of the world cup... give it a rest mate what do you expect ? ? ?

[maestegmafia]

Average height of the welsh back three is 5 foot 10, unless north is injured then its 4 foot 6

from a kiwi mate on skype...!

ha ha ha

[rodders]

The commentary is spoiling this match, not the ref.

Good opportunity for Wales here!

[trebellbobaggins]

Boring ping pong now.

[rodders]

Come on Wales!

[EnglishReign]

PHILLIPS! Woooo!

[PJHolybloke]

Wow actually looking at the replay...yeah a red looks spot on. Clerc could have broken his neck.

Pienaar stop talking nonsence.

Broken his neck? By landing on his shoulders?

I suppose the fact that it was obviously a near fatal tackle is reflected both in the red card for Warburton and Clerc being rushed off for immediate emergency surgery?

Never a red card in all my days.

Learn the rules. If you lift the player you a can't up end him, drive him or drop him. You have to bring him down safely. It was 100% a red card.

If a tackled player's legs travel above his hips it's a potential "tip tackle" and the tackler has the responsibility to put the player down to ground safely, if the tackler fails to put the player down safely it's an offence that merits anything from a penalty to a red card, prior to the WC POB stressed that tip tackles would be treated seriously by the referees. Therefore you could only expect a penalty for the mildest form of infringement, at the other end of the scale you should expect a red card, along with a lengthy ban, for stuffing a player head first into the turf.

One would imagine based on that scale that picking a player up and tipping him past horizontal and then dropping him onto his shoulders and back, would merit a yellow and nothing more.

That was not one of the worst tip tackles at this WC and therefore IN MY OPINION, never a red card based on the level of consistency shown by referees so far, and never a red card in any other eventuality.

I'm comfortable with my understanding of the Laws thank you, and if you seriously believe that could have broken Clerc's neck, I think we should all thank our lucky stars that we weren't crippled in our teens.

Rolland bricked it.

[maestegmafia]

trty phillips brilliant

[Pete C (Kiwireddevil)]

Try Phillips, COME ON WALES!

[nathan]

Come on!!!

[Ozzy3213]

Great break Iron Mike!!!!

Now come on Wellies, make it count and get Wales in front!!!

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