The v2 Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

+31
PJHolybloke
littleswannygirl
whocares
Pete C (Kiwireddevil)
Pal Joey
Notch
IanBru
Beer
Adam D
Cari
Hound_of_Harrow
mickyt
rodders
perthshirepuma
MBTGOG
Mickado
prop_lyd
Thomond
PenfroPete
Ozzy3213
Rava
Suspicious lurker
Glas a du
MrsP
red_stag
Gibson
Mick(TEFC)
offload
WillyGilly
Luckless Pedestrian
AsLongAsBut100ofUs
35 posters

Page 6 of 20 Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7 ... 13 ... 20  Next

Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Guest Wed 07 Dec 2011, 5:33 pm

First topic message reminder :

Welcome to the Virtual Rugby Pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing pictures of Doug Howlett above the bar!


So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

Ale cuppa coffee mug cider RedWine Bubbly

Old Pub: https://www.606v2.com/t19461p950-the-dew-drop-inn-virtual-rugby-pub#757012


Last edited by rugbydreamer on Wed 07 Dec 2011, 5:36 pm; edited 2 times in total

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down


The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Hound_of_Harrow Thu 08 Dec 2011, 6:22 pm

Cheers Penfro and Cari - hopefully I'll feel better tomorrow.

I saw that stag's trip hadn't got off to the best of starts, but he's back on track. thumbsup Here's a Ale for when you get to the Bush.


Hound_of_Harrow

Posts : 3150
Join date : 2011-08-22

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 08 Dec 2011, 6:22 pm

Rava wrote:Lucky well played mate. Bubbly Do you intend to buy a car now?

Thanks, Rava. I'll have to get some money together first. I'm not that well off. Crying or Very sad

Luckless Pedestrian

Posts : 24898
Join date : 2011-02-01
Age : 45
Location : Newport

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Thomond Thu 08 Dec 2011, 6:55 pm

Cari, are you not taking part in the meet? Bits are around Cardiff so would you be able to make some of it? Hound,you must be the first guy to pick up a cold in Dubai!

Thomond

Posts : 10663
Join date : 2011-04-13
Location : The People's Republic of Cork

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by MrsP Thu 08 Dec 2011, 7:32 pm

Hi everyone,

Busy day today.

And today marked the end of an era. The first Infant Nativity Play at our primary school for 10 years with no little P on stage. Felt very weird.

Hope Stag got to Cardiff. I lost track of where he travelled through on his way there. Did he really end up in Belfast?


MrsP

Posts : 9207
Join date : 2011-09-12

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 7:41 pm

Hey MrsP, how was the Nativity though? My parents said that one year I was Joseph and part way through my Mary ran off crying and I continued with the whole show!! (see i'm being nice)

Knackered from Squash now so a bit of scrumpy with the rugby Yahoo
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by MrsP Thu 08 Dec 2011, 7:52 pm

Ah I didn't go to see it as I help out with one of the older classes on Thursdays.

Strange walking through the hall though.

When I was in P1 I was the angel in our Nativity Play. For reasons I can't quite explain I was dressed in a tutu and had a wand. In between my scenes I had to wait inside the "inn" with the Innkeeper. The inn was the playhouse form our class room which had a door and 3 walls but no roof.

The Innkeeper was a rascal and kept grabbing my wand and waving it above the "inn" so the audiance could see it. I eventually got very fed up with this behaviour and gave him a firm whack on the head with the aforementioned wand. The audiance didn't actually see the blow land but they saw the "backswing" and heard the Ouch!

Not very angellic behaviour but he really was asking for it!

My teachers must have agreed because I don't remember being told off for it. My poor brother was in the audience and was absolutely mortified.

angel

MrsP

Posts : 9207
Join date : 2011-09-12

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:03 pm

Plus ca change...
Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by MrsP Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:06 pm

I know.

Still an angel!

MrsP

Posts : 9207
Join date : 2011-09-12

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Rava Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:16 pm

Laugh
Rava
Rava

Posts : 9507
Join date : 2011-04-07
Age : 68
Location : Co. Antrim

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:17 pm

Ah sounds so angelic of you MrsP....however much I hate to say it....fair play Falcons are putting up a fight.
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by MrsP Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:18 pm

Or...

Still bopping naughty boys over the head...?

MrsP

Posts : 9207
Join date : 2011-09-12

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:23 pm

Infact...whilst your here.....I know you're from tup Scotland.....what's Inverness like? Applying for a job there!!
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by MrsP Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:24 pm

Me?????

MrsP

Posts : 9207
Join date : 2011-09-12

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Rava Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:24 pm

Cauld mate.
Rava
Rava

Posts : 9507
Join date : 2011-04-07
Age : 68
Location : Co. Antrim

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:29 pm

Aye you MrsP.....rava I think i got that from when I went up there!!
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by MrsP Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:30 pm

Headscratch

Are you mixing me up with Puma, the Argentinian Scot who was, I believe, born in Engerland?

I've never even been to Inverness.

Norn Iron born and bred.

I have visited the Highlands several times though and it is beautiful.

MrsP

Posts : 9207
Join date : 2011-09-12

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:34 pm

Ah that could be it yeah!! I'm with you now...nope no need for you then MrsP Wink

Hug
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by MrsP Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:35 pm

Surplus to requirements.

Again.

Sad

MrsP

Posts : 9207
Join date : 2011-09-12

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Guest Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:37 pm

Evening all.

Glas, why have my SG picks upset you??

and my Welsh class actually made sense today, for the first time in ages! Progress Very Happy

Hound - glad you had a nice time out there, and hope you feel better soon Ale

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:38 pm

MrsP....I gave you a hug afterwards....have a cider too
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:40 pm

Prop are you upsetting Mrs P?

I raise a bottle of San Miguel in honour if the big meet.

Ale
Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:43 pm

Nah I'm being nice Glas don't worry........

I'll raise my pint of Scrumpy cider
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Rava Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:43 pm

Mrs P doesn't drink Prop. I'll have that cider instead.

Right I have a First Aid course to deliver tomorrow so I won't be on here at all. I hope those of you who are travelling tomorrow arrive safely at your destinations. I sincerely hope you all have a smashing weekend. Please drink to absent friends thumbsup
Rava
Rava

Posts : 9507
Join date : 2011-04-07
Age : 68
Location : Co. Antrim

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:45 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:Evening all.

Glas, why have my SG picks upset you??

Because the only picks I'm within 5 points if you on we're backing different teams! Another disastrous weekend for me on SG I think.
Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:51 pm

Please drink to absent friends

Who said you were not a gentleman? Ale

When I joined Round Table I was amazed that they continued with the Loyal Toast. Anyway it was my turn and I said "they told me I'd have to toast the Queen and I said find me a fork big enough and I'll give it a go!" drumroll
Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Guest Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:51 pm

Ah no don't worry, I'm rubbish at the Amlin picks!


Rava - hope the course goes okay tomorrow and will deffo be raising a Ale to you and everyone else who can't make it on the weekend. I so wish you were all coming too Hug


Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:53 pm

Have you done your HC ones?
Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Guest Thu 08 Dec 2011, 8:58 pm

No I'll do them lunchtime tomorrow when I've seen the teams.

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Guest Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:05 pm

ercrugbyERC Rugby
@scarlets_rugby set for record gate of more than 13k v @munsterrugby . @terry_wogan amongst VIPs for big game in Pool 1 #HeinekenCup
50 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
Retweeted by @RupertMoon

If the above is true then that's brilliant, we're going to be so close to a sell out!

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:08 pm

Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:40 pm

When did I get to 6th in the Amlin??!! Shocked Yahoo
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:42 pm

Fortnight ago?
Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:49 pm

Forgot there were games tonight. As predicted I've done terribly Cry
Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:52 pm

Ahh Proseco never had it before...lovely stuff
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Guest Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:04 pm

uh oh, not good:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/16090014.stm

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Hound_of_Harrow Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:18 pm

Thomond - you would not believe the number of different nationalities that visit Dubai, and therefore the potential for germs to enter the country. It is one of those places where I nearly always cop something like this. One year I was out of it for two days over there and missed Finals day.

Admittedly, it doesn't help that the immune system is weakened by a deluge of beer.

Wow, unexpected wins for Sale 29-14 at Agen plus a bp ( sorry Chef ), and Falcons 6-3 over Toulon in the Amlin.

Hound_of_Harrow

Posts : 3150
Join date : 2011-08-22

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by prop_lyd Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:42 pm

For the chat up line merchants among us:

I'm so hard, viagra takes me!!
prop_lyd
prop_lyd

Posts : 10387
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 36
Location : Rogerstone, Wales

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Glas a du Fri 09 Dec 2011, 7:35 am

Mick Chef

Sorry to mess you about, but my plans have changed. Mrs G needs the car (I sold hers last month) so I can't take you to meet Prop Sorry

Can you confirm when you've read this? Thanks.
Glas a du
Glas a du

Posts : 15843
Join date : 2011-04-28
Age : 48
Location : Ammanford

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:11 am

Bore da pawb / good morning all. Friday is upon us, the weekend -and the Tour of Four - starts here! Very Happy

Luckless Pedestrian

Posts : 24898
Join date : 2011-02-01
Age : 45
Location : Newport

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Suspicious lurker Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:15 am

Ok now that I'm awake and its Friday, now things can begin to get messy
Suspicious lurker
Suspicious lurker

Posts : 3576
Join date : 2011-05-11
Age : 38
Location : london

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Mickado Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:30 am

Don’t be a stranger to the pub lads, nothing funnier than when someone drops in, steaming drunk and says something random.

And remember the last time you saw me, I wasn’t a perverted weirdo then was I (could be setting myself up for a fall here!)? well keep that in mind when Stag and Gibbo decide to roll out the mars bar story. Wink

Mickado

Posts : 7282
Join date : 2011-04-06
Age : 39
Location : Baile Átha Cliath

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:38 am

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, Mickado. But if a second confectionery-based story emerges, that's it!

Luckless Pedestrian

Posts : 24898
Join date : 2011-02-01
Age : 45
Location : Newport

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:39 am

I've just posted this on the 'rate the song above you' thread so I may as well post it here, too:

https://youtu.be/bDcgsTMcKUg

Luckless Pedestrian

Posts : 24898
Join date : 2011-02-01
Age : 45
Location : Newport

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Mickado Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:46 am

Can't listen to YT in work, can view it if i do it on the sly but the boss is shoulder surfing today so i don't want to get caught bopping away at my desk.

Mickado

Posts : 7282
Join date : 2011-04-06
Age : 39
Location : Baile Átha Cliath

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:50 am

Marsado, I confess that hearing the story of your fall from grace is going to be one of the highlights of the weekend! Wink

AsLongAsBut100ofUs

Posts : 14129
Join date : 2011-03-26
Age : 112
Location : Devon/London

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Mickado Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:53 am

Jeysus As, if that’s considered a highlight, then you won’t be doing it right!

Think I’ll email Hughie my side of it, just in case things become embellished a little!

Mickado

Posts : 7282
Join date : 2011-04-06
Age : 39
Location : Baile Átha Cliath

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:54 am

Shoulder-surfing on a Friday is bang out of order.

Asbo, I'm bringing a sleeping bag for Saturday and Sunday, should I bring a pillow too?

Luckless Pedestrian

Posts : 24898
Join date : 2011-02-01
Age : 45
Location : Newport

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:58 am

Lucky, tbh you don't really need either OK

AsLongAsBut100ofUs

Posts : 14129
Join date : 2011-03-26
Age : 112
Location : Devon/London

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by WillyGilly Fri 09 Dec 2011, 8:58 am

Just as Michael Buble starts into 'It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas' it starts to snow outside my house. Coincidence?
WillyGilly
WillyGilly

Posts : 3384
Join date : 2011-04-01
Age : 34
Location : Lisburn

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri 09 Dec 2011, 9:00 am

Marsado, simple things ... simple minds!

AsLongAsBut100ofUs

Posts : 14129
Join date : 2011-03-26
Age : 112
Location : Devon/London

Back to top Go down

The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub - Page 6 Empty Re: The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 6 of 20 Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7 ... 13 ... 20  Next

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum