Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

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Can't see anything wrong with oil companies. Like every other business they are out to make money, but somehow it is frowned upon to make more than anyone else.
It is not the fault of the oil companies if there is future harm to the environment, as if there wasn't a demand or the product they wouldn't be continuing to invest in finding it. (if there even is an issue with the environment)
Oil companies probably put more money into alternatives than anyone else. Statoil in particular.

As for climate change, there is no doubt it is occurring, however considering the age of the earth is measured in billions of years and we are only able to go back as far as the last ice age (10-15000 years) to measure climate trends. I'm yet to be convinced of man's actual contribution. The number one greenhouse gas is not C02, CH4 or any other by product of our use, but infact naturally occuring water vapour, which our burning of fossil fuels barely make a dent in. Of course it's all about tolerances and thresholds, but with the likes of India, China and America being the worlds biggest polluters, I'm not going to feel guilty about European energy consumption. It seems very convenient that as people are reliant on fossil fuel then it is easy to tax it by both increasing it's price and the guilt associated with using it.

Anyway, all these lentil knitters who go on about the "evil" of oil have never ever given a viable alternative.
Personally I think Nuclear power is the way forward, but the uneducated hippies will never allow it.

[kwinigolfer]

"Unlike the Bush, Kennedy or Gore" - or Romney or Huntsman clans.

[Shotrock]

Kwin - True!

[McLaren]

And he kisses the badge. He is going nowhere and neither are city.

[McLaren]

Also

Apparently Kompany is as brain dead as he looks to be.

[kwinigolfer]

Love it.
But terrible decision to dismiss Kompany.

[McLaren]

It was a horror challenge, if nani had stuck a toe out to nick the ball he would currently be receiving oxygen and pain killers to relieve the agony of severely broken leg. When you leave the ground with both feet how can you tell what damage you will do?

[kwinigolfer]

For me he got the ball cleanly.
Not even a yellow though can see why you might feel differently.
Nani a spectator for the past two months, winning free kicks the extent of his ambition. And commitment. High time he started earning his corn.

[McLaren]

All players must know that the second both sets of studs go up and you lunge in, the chance of a red exists. So why take the risk with such dangerous, risky and silly challenges?

And yes, nani ought to contribute something soon.

[kwinigolfer]

Silly thing is, he didn't need to commit himself in that part of the field, but as he did a rugby tackle would have been punished less harshly.
Referee takes the headlines again.

PS. Thank goodness Smalling's back.

[McLaren]

And wellbeck back on the scoresheet for the first time in a while.

[McLaren]

I wonder if the utd players hole the mentality that anything less than returning the favour will not do?

[kwinigolfer]

Good time for Man Utd to avoid De Jong's attentions.
Defo penalty though.

[McLaren]

As much as a love scholes as a player, this is not going well to say the least.

[kwinigolfer]

BBC reckon Scholes completed 97% of his 71 passes (which were more passes than any single Man City player) - we all one of the two he misplaced.

Well worth the risk for Ferguson to take for me. But he's got other things to be concerned about. Ferdinand in general, the increasing one-footedness of Evra and Giggs, and what's happened to Hernandez? Is he injured or just in the kennel??

Still should have been a 2nd half penalty so fairish result.

[McLaren]

Well he certainly picked his positions with those 3%. I am sure come the end of the season it will look like a very good decision to bring him back in.

I think little pea has been very poor on the ball this season and has therefore been dropped.

[kwinigolfer]

Kompany out for four games if MCFC lose the appeal - which one would think they will.
Wish the Pompey game was on here . . . . . . .

[Diggers]

BBC reckon Scholes completed 97% of his 71 passes (which were more passes than any single Man City player) - we all one of the two he misplaced.

Well worth the risk for Ferguson to take for me. But he's got other things to be concerned about. Ferdinand in general, the increasing one-footedness of Evra and Giggs, and what's happened to Hernandez? Is he injured or just in the kennel??

Still should have been a 2nd half penalty so fairish result.

City miss Yaya big time , and will miss Kompany too. Toure in no 1 on pass completion in the premiership , Utds top player is Carrick in 20th.
Man Urd kept the ball well today but was against 10 men. Only saw the second half but enjoyed it. Now just hoping the Posh don't turn us over after our good league form.

[kwinigolfer]

Future looking bright for Sunderland, Digs.
Good to see McLean setting 'em alight; O'Neill now with some breathing space and one would think he'll ditch some dead wood and build on the young players.
Still needs some absolute top quality though, but he might have that if Sessegnon stays and Colback and Wickham are the real thing. Be good to see Meyler get a chance to see whether he's up to it.
Still need some central defence though.

[Diggers]

Could do with Turner back at centre back Kwini, good solid stopper and adds to set pieces. Be interesting to see if we have any cash to spend this month.
And we go one up with a lucky ish free kick. Irish eyes still smiling on us.

[kwinigolfer]

Turner doesn't ever seem to have recovered his confidence after he was so harshly sent off last year. Wonder if Michael Dawson is available?

(Can't imagine MO'N tolerating Bendtner's self-obsession for much longer. One way ticket back to the Emirates whether Wenger likes it or not!)

[Diggers]

Dawson is training again I believe. Game over now hopefully, banana skin game in Bruce days, they look so full of confidence now.
Mind you Chelski next week so could be a wake up call.
Probably right re Bendtner Kwini, he does have a lot of talent but an ego and attitude to match it.

[kwinigolfer]

3-0 drubbing of Chelski last year was the high point of Steve Bruce's tenure (wonder where he'll turn up next?).

Well, Pompey out.

Hope you get a good draw for Round 4 Digs

[McLaren]

I may have been swept up in the moment, but never before have I actually smiled and whooped when arsenal have scored. What a guy, and a sex scandal behind him as well.

[kwinigolfer]

Even Beckham smiled . . . . .

[McLaren]

Whats worse; Hearing about god almighty or or sickening patriotism towards armed forces?

[kwinigolfer]

Mac,
It's certainly NOT patriotism, it's much more likely politically correct nonsense from people who want the sort of American supremacy that Romney spouts on about without being prepared to make any of the sacrifices, fiscal or physical, that go with it. But "patriotism" has nothing to do with it.
Still sickening though.
But it gives these right-wing morons a chance to thump chests and tubs and bang on about the "failures" of European "socialism". A disturbing mantra over here by the way.

[navyblueshorts]

Whats worse; Hearing about god almighty or or sickening patriotism towards armed forces?

God, every time. Why shouldn't people be patriotic about their armed forces? Don't confuse the politicians with those they send off to do their dirty deeds.

[Cymroglan]

Whats worse; Hearing about god almighty or or sickening patriotism towards armed forces?

T@ats like you

[liegerwoods]

Whats worse; Hearing about god almighty or or sickening patriotism towards armed forces?

T@ats like you

dont sit on the fence mate.

[Cymroglan]

My profile would explain why

[NedB-H]

There is a difference between respect for the armed forces (good) and the sort of uncritical idolatry that seems to be getting more common.

[McLaren]

Kwini

You are of course correct, Its just i can never find the word to describe the sort of armed forces love in that seems obligatory these days. I dont want to see anyone harmed by war but worshipping some bloke with unfortunate circumstances which made going to war seem like a good idea is just odd. I cant help but think their are people taking harder and braver decisions in our society every day who get no recognition.

Cymroglan

No worries, I am sure "our boys" can take some bad mouthing from wimps like myself.

[kwinigolfer]

Cymro,
I don't think anyone is casting aspersions against our servicemen and women.

But the mock-glorification of the "military" that goes on in the U.S. is beyond the pale, political hypocracy gone mad.

It does no credit to those who fight for, and otherwise serve, our respective countries, simply because that glorification is bestowed (in the U.S.A. of Mac's reference), as an act of political correctness or convenience, by those least likely to make any sacrifice themselves.

Thank you for your career.

[GT350]

It is true that sometimes the praise and recognition afforded US servicemen is over the top, particularly to the more introverted Briish taste, and it is also true that the use of that praise for political ends is sickening, but please don't let the minority cloud your judgement.
America's treatment of its armed forces returning from Vietnam was shameful. Consequently, they are perhaps guilty of overdoing their attempts to right that wrong, especially as it is often the sons and daughters of that generation that are serving now.
The bottom line is that a lot of young British and American servicemen and women paid the ultimate price so that idiots that can't even spell military can sit safely at home and accuse British soldiers and policemen of being uneducated.
Not casting aspersions....Really?

[McLaren]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16522973

Just sayin......

[super_realist]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16522973

Just sayin......

Why is such a non story even reported?

[McLaren]

What do you mean by non story? Would you prefer these acts to be unreported and disregarded?

[Diggers]

It is true that sometimes the praise and recognition afforded US servicemen is over the top, particularly to the more introverted Briish taste, and it is also true that the use of that praise for political ends is sickening, but please don't let the minority cloud your judgement.
America's treatment of its armed forces returning from Vietnam was shameful. Consequently, they are perhaps guilty of overdoing their attempts to right that wrong, especially as it is often the sons and daughters of that generation that are serving now.
The bottom line is that a lot of young British and American servicemen and women paid the ultimate price so that idiots that can't even spell military can sit safely at home and accuse British soldiers and policemen of being uneducated.
Not casting aspersions....Really?

An awful lot of lifes have been lost in the pursuit of very little. And the majority of those lifes have not been western. Idiotic politicians and power mad military top brass, I have no idea why you think these are the type of people who warrant any respect.
Nobody forces anyone to join the military, they may do so for a whole host of reasons, its their choice and the potential consequences should be obvious.

[navyblueshorts]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16522973

Just sayin......

And? So?

1) It hasn't been investigated yet so try to reserve your disgust until then.
2) Stop tarring an entire profession just because there are one or two idiots within it.
3) I don't think (although people like yourself seem to think it) that you can equate behaviour in normal life with that of a combat situation.

[super_realist]

What do you mean by non story? Would you prefer these acts to be unreported and disregarded?

Mac, What is important about the story? It seems to be that society is always on the lookout for reasons to be offended, abhored or shocked about something. Society is so pious and holier than thou these days, and you seem to typify that.

War is a grisly, desperate and highly stressful business, and who knows what these soldiers faced from those they killed. While I don't condone what they have done, (it's the kind of knuckle headed behaviour I'd expect from the type of people I envisage make up the infantry of any army), but I have no idea what they must be feeling at being shot at constantly, and what's more neither do you.

[Diggers]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16522973

Just sayin......

And? So?

1) It hasn't been investigated yet so try to reserve your disgust until then.
2) Stop tarring an entire profession just because there are one or two idiots within it.
3) I don't think (although people like yourself seem to think it) that you can equate behaviour in normal life with that of a combat situation.

Whats always worries me about your point three is just how many people are in the forces for that very reason. Because they want to live their lifes to a different set of rules.

[navyblueshorts]

Whats always worries me about your point three is just how many people are in the forces for that very reason. Because they want to live their lifes to a different set of rules.

Well, that I'm afraid, we'll never know. There are undoubtedly some idiots and some who relish violence when they join up but I doubt they're the majority, particularly in a professional military.

[navyblueshorts]

On another subject (I shouldn't laugh but I couldn't help it), some Amish men have pleaded 'not guilty' to a series of hair cutting attacks:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16522281

I couldn't help but notice the following statement in part of the article:

"It is alleged that an internal religious dispute involving a group led by Samuel Mullet motivated the attacks."

What a superb coincidence .

[lorus59]

I am reminded of the Jackson Browne song "Lives in the Balance". The lyrics are;

I want to know who the men in the shadows are.
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who the enemies are,
but they're never the ones to fight, to die.

[super_realist]

Good to see the SNP making idiots of themselves on Question Time tonight Thank goodness, can you imagine those idiots in a real government, not a mickey mouse parliament.

[navyblueshorts]

Good to see the SNP making idiots of themselves on Question Time tonight Thank goodness, can you imagine those idiots in a real government, not a mickey mouse parliament.

Have to say S_R, I'm surprised Salmond and his crew haven't made an appearance on this august thread until now....

[super_realist]

This insomnia I have is intolerable, looks like i'll be awake all night.

[Doon the Water]

Don't worry SR you only need 4 hours of deep sleep plus 4 hours of rest to perform well. It is probably the worry of not sleeping that keeps you awake.

Don't eat any food after 8pm and drink half a pint of water before going to bed.

I have just spent a couple of nights in Hospital, a bit scary. First time in my life that I have spent a night in Hospital

I had an allergic reaction to 'something'. My feet, hands and mouth swelled up. I was put in the high dependancy ward and closely watched.
Loads of tests, steriods and anti-histamine jags.
Home now and felling OK most of the sweling is down. 14 tablets to take a day and an epipen [adrenilan jab] to carry about for the rest of my life.

[delToro87]

The timing is just out. Slamond has proposed August 2014 and the Ryder Cup is September 2014.

Ah, so just after the Glasgow Commonwealth Games then. The organisers for that are going to be under lots of pressure to get it right!

Actually, I'm not sure he's proposed August 2014, I'm pretty sure the official line is Autumn 2014. Easy to get mixed up I suppose. But that would mean it could be held after the Ryder Cup.

[Doon the Water]

700 years after Bannockburn as well.
At least the SNP are good at choosing dates!

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