Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

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Can't see anything wrong with oil companies. Like every other business they are out to make money, but somehow it is frowned upon to make more than anyone else.
It is not the fault of the oil companies if there is future harm to the environment, as if there wasn't a demand or the product they wouldn't be continuing to invest in finding it. (if there even is an issue with the environment)
Oil companies probably put more money into alternatives than anyone else. Statoil in particular.

As for climate change, there is no doubt it is occurring, however considering the age of the earth is measured in billions of years and we are only able to go back as far as the last ice age (10-15000 years) to measure climate trends. I'm yet to be convinced of man's actual contribution. The number one greenhouse gas is not C02, CH4 or any other by product of our use, but infact naturally occuring water vapour, which our burning of fossil fuels barely make a dent in. Of course it's all about tolerances and thresholds, but with the likes of India, China and America being the worlds biggest polluters, I'm not going to feel guilty about European energy consumption. It seems very convenient that as people are reliant on fossil fuel then it is easy to tax it by both increasing it's price and the guilt associated with using it.

Anyway, all these lentil knitters who go on about the "evil" of oil have never ever given a viable alternative.
Personally I think Nuclear power is the way forward, but the uneducated hippies will never allow it.

[Doon the Water]

You want to try oor village shoogly bus, travels about 12 miles to go 9.

[Hibbz]

There's a show on ITV as I type with a woman bleating about having got into £20,000 debt through those pay day loans. She's being filmed shopping and at the top of her basket is a nice bottle of white wine. Life on the breadline hey.

Do me a lemon.

nb. It's probably not "nice" white wine but either way hardly one of life's necessities.

[Doon the Water]

The ones talking about how poor they are through a haze of fag smoke really pea me off.

Also....The nicotine stains on the fingers of the beggers beggers belief.

[Doon the Water]

Hells teeth....they have just given the RBS boss a £1m bonus.

[navyblueshorts]

Hells teeth....they have just given the RBS boss a £1m bonus.

Indeed they have. What a surprise!

[McLaren]

Has anyone bothered to look at the numbers before deciding the bonus should not have been given? For all we know some massive improvements could have been gained and the bonus well deserved.

[Doon the Water]

Vry true Mac, I suppose we should give him some credit for sacking around 10,000 staff this year.

[McLaren]

By no means do I support the levels of pay that top executives receive, and I certainly don’t buy into the theory that they are so skilled and rare a commodity that companies have to pay those rates to attract them. What I do object to is people moaning about every bonus without looking at the companies published accounts or other data to check how that company is performing and how senior management contributed to that. If I want last opinions I will read the newspapers, I would just hope that people don’t start spouting the same ill informed nonsense we have to read in the papers every day.

I would rather see RBS forced to work in a smart and innovative way rather than some reactionary idiocy from the tax “payers”. We may pay taxes but we know little of how international banking and finance works.

[super_realist]

Has anyone bothered to look at the numbers before deciding the bonus should not have been given? For all we know some massive improvements could have been gained and the bonus well deserved.

Perhaps the most sensible thing you have ever said Mac,

Truth is, the financial sector generates more wealth for this country than any other, like it or not, without the banks and overpaid bankers, we'd be in the stone age.

[McLaren]

Super, it is sad and a little funny that you did not see the irony of the comment.

[super_realist]

HArd to gauge irony in written text Mac, but regardless of that, a bonus may well have been deserved, whether or not it is taken is another thing.

It's funny how you always blame the banks, when your own favoured political party was equally complicit for the state of the economy.

[Diggers]

People love to big up the importance of the finance sector to the UK economy. Yes, is does provide income and gives the UK a certain status but to suggest that the country would go fall apart if it were to shrink in size is simply incorrect. Doesnt stop it being put forward as an argument every time the bankers get their bonuses.

[super_realist]

We'd be worse off Diggers

[Diggers]

We certainly wouldnt be in the stone age. And it might actually help us focus on making a few things rather than simply trading in the ether.
We should get ready for it anyway because I can see the importance of the city globally shrinking in the next 5 years, especially as we isolate ourselves more from Europe.

[super_realist]

We might not be in the stone age, it wasn't meant to be literal, we'd probably be more like Greece, Spain or Italy, and that would'nt be good.

[navyblueshorts]

Vry true Mac, I suppose we should give him some credit for sacking around 10,000 staff this year.

Yeah. I reckon I could do that to save money; bet that took a lot of thought. Can I have ~£2,000,000 for my year's work please?

[Diggers]

Debateable that we already arent in that state, or about to be. No sign whatsoever that Dave and his bumboys Georges fiscal policy is working. Quitet he reverse in fact.

[McLaren]

Super

Dont be so sure, as I am always telling you; a country is not a company.

It is not easy to understand the implications of this statement but it would certainly stop you making unfounded generalisations.

[super_realist]

Not sure we can blame anyone at the moment as I doubt anyone could currently make a difference

[Diggers]

Doesnt really work that way though does it. Didnt stop anyone laying into the Labour govt at the end of their term, especially the chinless Torys battyboys who of course promised they could make it better. Fact is they areny and there is no sign that there total austerity measures will work at all.

[super_realist]

Mac, it's not a company of course, but it needs to control it's balance in a similar way. Just ask Greece.

[navyblueshorts]

Doesnt really work that way though does it. Didnt stop anyone laying into the Labour govt at the end of their term, especially the chinless Torys battyboys who of course promised they could make it better. Fact is they areny and there is no sign that there total austerity measures will work at all.

I'm looking forward to seeing if the U.S. continues to improve as they went the other way didn't they? Spent plenty rather than cut deep. Maybe they actually learnt from the Depression of the 30s. Our lot were told to pay attention to that but they didn't.

[McLaren]

Super

Read this;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Country-Company-Harvard-Business-Classics/dp/1422133400/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1327660983&sr=8-2

[super_realist]

Mac, it's no good just looking for a quick google reference every time you want to make a point is it?
Probably written by some lentil knitting, beatnick, liberal Trot anyway. Simply because such a book exists, doesn't mean what is written in it is fact, or actually works.
Nobody has said a country is a company, but if you can't balance the books, you're in serious scheisse.

You like to pretend you know a lot about finance, but it's really just a load of wiki links and nonsense books.

So you'd rather spend money the country doesn't have and can't afford to pay back, brilliant logic.

[navyblueshorts]

...So you'd rather spend money the country doesn't have and can't afford to pay back, brilliant logic.

So please explain, oh! Fount of Knowledge, why whenever this sort of thing happens, anywhere, cuts are made and recession (or in the worst cases depression) results? We have many examples of what happens when deep cuts are made and it's not good. What will you say if(when?) the U.S. economy picks up having gone, essentially, the other way? Yes, they'll still have a deficit to pay off but at least they'll be reeling in the tax receipts etc with which to do it and minimising the welfare that's going out. We're going the other way.

[Diggers]

So you'd rather spend money the country doesn't have and can't afford to pay back, brilliant logic.

What, you mean follow one of the great ruiles of capitalism which is that you speculate to accumulate. An economy needs to grow or it stagnates. Spending nothing has never worked in any economy to resolve a recession.

[McLaren]

Super

Did you even look at the link as your response makes no sense.

[navyblueshorts]

...You like to pretend you know a lot about finance, but it's really just a load of wiki links and nonsense books...

At least he's read the book he supplied the link to and I'd hardly describe the author as a "Trot". How else would you expect someone to become knowledgable without reading? It's you that's looking increasing daft here methinks.

[super_realist]

Of course it does Diggers, but it has to be measured. Austerity measures aren't necessarily taking moeny away from growth industries which help the economy.

I'm not an economist and I don't have the answers, what I can't see working is carrying on Mac/Labours spending like there's no tomorrow, as that's precisely the reason we're in trouble. Somewhere in between might be more sensible.

[super_realist]

Murray 2-1 up with a break, 1 set all.

[McLaren]

Super

The book does not offer policy advice on spending but rather helps the reader get into the correct mindset for analysing a countries economy. Importantly how this differs to looking at a business, which is where you are coming from when you say the UK looses out for sure if we loose banking resources.

[super_realist]

Mac, I'd be interested to know what you do for a living, as you seem to expunge an air of faux knowledge about business/finance but without anything practical to back it up.
I'm guessing accounts assistant in the local council.

How do you know I'm looking at it from a business point of view. I was merely referring to the PSBR.

[navyblueshorts]

Murray 2-1 up with a break, 1 set all.

Not a break up anymore. Typical.

[super_realist]

He's giving Djokovic serious problems on his serve. Break points ahoy.
Win or lose he's definitely taken a step up.

[Diggers]

Of course it does Diggers, but it has to be measured. Austerity measures aren't necessarily taking moeny away from growth industries which help the economy.

I'm not an economist and I don't have the answers, what I can't see working is carrying on Mac/Labours spending like there's no tomorrow, as that's precisely the reason we're in trouble. Somewhere in between might be more sensible.

I thought the eason we were in trouble was because of a global recession and banking crisis ? Or is that only the reason when the Torys are in govt ?

[Diggers]

Agree re Murray, though at 2 - 0 in the second set he was tanking it, least he has made a match of it.

[McLaren]

super if you can work out the effects of the banking sector changes on PSBR in the time it took you to knock up that post then you are a far superior economist to I.

[super_realist]

super if you can work out the effects of the banking sector changes on PSBR in the time it took you to knock up that post then you are a far superior economist to I.

Yes Mac, I am.

[super_realist]

Looked at the BBC via my TV today. They still had The Open leaderboard up there. Disgrace.

[1GrumpyGolfer]

Looked at the BBC via my TV today. They still had The Open leaderboard up there. Disgrace.

Who won or is it still going on?

[kwinigolfer]

They probably used one from 2006 so that they could show Tiger at the top . . . .

[Diggers]

Or more likely you need to learn how to clear the internet cache....

[super_realist]

It was on the TV Text thing, not the internet.

BBC golf coverage was never very good, now it's lamentable, and almost never up to date.

[super_realist]

So you'd rather spend money the country doesn't have and can't afford to pay back, brilliant logic.

What, you mean follow one of the great ruiles of capitalism which is that you speculate to accumulate. An economy needs to grow or it stagnates. Spending nothing has never worked in any economy to resolve a recession.

Strange, as the IMF have given their thumbs up to the austerity measures , but then I suppose Mac knows better because he claims to have read a book on it?

[Diggers]

Oh well Im sure its going to work if the IMF say so.
Plenty of people are saying austerity measures are a big gamble, mainly because there is not a history of it working. Japan would be a close example of as they did 10-15 years ago what we as doing now. Their economy didnt collapse but it has seen very, very little growth.
Nobody can see into the future, but personally I think we will see signs of a Tory U turn by the end of this year.

[super_realist]

Well, they carry a bit more authority and knowledge than a filing clerk with a Citreon 2CV and a set of Hickory Clubs Diggers.

[Diggers]

Pity they haven't managed to use it to any good end in the past 5 or 10 years really.

[McLaren]

I often get ripped for an odd taste in women, but this girls is super hot. Is she not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bag1gUxuU0g

Actually moving on from the sexist angle on this I actually found this after her music was recommended by a friend. I have had not had much of chance to think about her stuff but on first listen it seems better than a lot of music released of late.

What do you guys think?

[super_realist]

Better than your normal standard Mac, but nothing that impressive. Just another overmade media contrived dolly bird

[McLaren]

Super for a man who does not seem to have got laid in the years of posting on 606 have you ever thought about lowering your standards a little?

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