Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Can't see anything wrong with oil companies. Like every other business they are out to make money, but somehow it is frowned upon to make more than anyone else.
It is not the fault of the oil companies if there is future harm to the environment, as if there wasn't a demand or the product they wouldn't be continuing to invest in finding it. (if there even is an issue with the environment)
Oil companies probably put more money into alternatives than anyone else. Statoil in particular.

As for climate change, there is no doubt it is occurring, however considering the age of the earth is measured in billions of years and we are only able to go back as far as the last ice age (10-15000 years) to measure climate trends. I'm yet to be convinced of man's actual contribution. The number one greenhouse gas is not C02, CH4 or any other by product of our use, but infact naturally occuring water vapour, which our burning of fossil fuels barely make a dent in. Of course it's all about tolerances and thresholds, but with the likes of India, China and America being the worlds biggest polluters, I'm not going to feel guilty about European energy consumption. It seems very convenient that as people are reliant on fossil fuel then it is easy to tax it by both increasing it's price and the guilt associated with using it.

Anyway, all these lentil knitters who go on about the "evil" of oil have never ever given a viable alternative.
Personally I think Nuclear power is the way forward, but the uneducated hippies will never allow it.

[super_realist]

Mac, its not about standards, its about celebrity types not being remotely attractive because they appear contrived and overmade.
You see much nicer looking women in every city across Europe, sometimes even in the UK, however at least I have been laid Mac, which is more than I can say for you.

[McLaren]

oops, beaten by a carol knock down.

Does it get any worse?

[McLaren]

Bloody hell the commentators and pundits really getting stuck into the Gunners.

This is what I hate about the typical football "expert", you will hear them bang on about the bravery and honour of a hoof it up to Andy carol system but heaven forbid the passing game goes wrong. Wenger, Ferguson, Guardiola must all be daft.

[McLaren]

Hi, folks.

Just wondering if anyone who uses London transport can help me out.

I will be visiting London and my plan was to buy an oyster card before I go as in the past I have just bought day tickets once there, which becomes a bit of an annoyance. The thing is this; there is obviously the normal oyster card but also a visitor’s version. Is there any difference or is one more expensive or less useful?

[super_realist]

Going down to admire the design of the "Tube Map " Mac?
Actually I'm a big fan of that, deserves a Doak 10, I think.

[Skydriver]

Don't use London public transport much (thankfully), but wasn't aware of a "visitors" version of Oyster card. Do you mean the pay as you go? You load up money up front, then individual journeys are deducted as you use it; should be cheaper than buying single tickets.

If you're moving around a fair bit over the course of a day though, daily travelcard is likely to be best option still. Doesn't look like you can put this on Oyster, but the blurb says it shouldn't charge you more than that over the course of a day (can't say I've ever checked though). Prices keep going up, but it's about £8 (for zone 1-2 daycard I think) if your first journey is during morning peak, slightly less otherwise.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14825.aspx

[Diggers]

I often get ripped for an odd taste in women, but this girls is super hot. Is she not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bag1gUxuU0g

Actually moving on from the sexist angle on this I actually found this after her music was recommended by a friend. I have had not had much of chance to think about her stuff but on first listen it seems better than a lot of music released of late.

What do you guys think?

Speaking of hot girls, anyone been watching Birdsong ? Watched the first episode last night on Sky Player and have to say that Clemence Poesy (who funnily enough was in one of the Harry Potter films as well, didnt see her in that but assume she was playing someone much younger than she actually is as she's 30 this year) is an absolute babe.
http://www.zimbio.com/Clemence+Poesy/articles/78a_pQaB4GV/Clemence+Poesy+blonde+wavy+hairstyle
Thought the program itself was OK but remember the book being much better which is usually the case.

[Doon the Water]

Got to agree with you there Diggers although I am probably getting a bit too old and scary to pronounce statements on hot girls. Fine pair of ankles on her!

Birdsong is superb.
A book I have always been meaning to read.

I was a bit unwell for the first episode and slept through half of it. Watched the second and final episode last night.
Must be ahead of you for once in Scotland.

[Diggers]

The final episode was on down here last night as well Doon, we were just watching the first on Sky plus last night.
I would read the book for sure, I also really enjoyed Faulkes last book, One Week In December. Really good read and impressive from the writer as its so completely different from Birdsong, not too many authors manage to pull that off.

[McLaren]

Yep, she is hot diggers, she actually does not look unlike my girlfriend.

[Doon the Water]

Aye Shuggy Faulkes is indeed a very good writer.

Finished reading The Quarry [a Booker Nomination] last night.

[ best Catherine Tate rude granny voice] What a load of sh!%@

[super_realist]

Yep, she is hot diggers, she actually does not look unlike my girlfriend.

I applaud your good humour and imagination Mac.

[McLaren]

Super

i knew that one would hook you in. Although they are of a similar type.

By the way she plays flur (not sure of spelling), the french chick in harry potter.

[super_realist]

Mac, I'm 36, I don't watch Harry Potter.

[McLaren]

Super

You think Emma watson is hot; you need to see the French chick in harry potter, she looks mind blowing.

On a similar (potentially inappropriate) note I watched a classic family guy the other night. Bryan takes meg to the school dance and is standing looking at all the hot high school girls, then comes out with something like,

"wow they are so hot, and not matter how bad you are they wouldn't know"

Super, I couldn't help but think of you.

[super_realist]

Mac, I'm not a fan of the media contrived look.

[McLaren]

Super

This is like the music thread a while back, you claim you like some niche but will not tell us what it might be. There must be one well known woman who represents the look you would ideally go for?

[super_realist]

I'm sure there probably is Mac, what I don't fall for are claims that the likes of Cheryl Cole is beauty personified.

Probably my ideal in a media world would be Meg Ryan, circa You've Got Mail.
Quite partial to the saturday morning cook Lorraine Pascal too.

I'd happily tell you my musical tastes too, but you'd never have heard of any of them.

[JAS]

Super

This is like the music thread a while back, you claim you like some niche but will not tell us what it might be. There must be one well known woman who represents the look you would ideally go for?

I could never narrow it down to one!!

[super_realist]

There is only one, and her name is Bella Emburg!

[JAS]

At the risk of being banned from the boards I've got to say...Bella doesn't do it for me!!

[Fader]

Whats the fascination with Bella Emberg! Personally quite like Erica Durance.

Now i'm officially divorced and the Ex has sodded off to Chester (with my kids ) I can stare at the lovely Erica endlessly.

[McLaren]

Is anyone else confused by the entrance of the teams coming onto the pitch for the scotland vs england game. Is it WWE or rugby?

[super_realist]

I think they are trying to sex up the worlds least sexy sport. Dreadful musical interludes and tartan jingoism really takes any credibility away.

Have you seen the size of jacobson? What a fat Bar Steward.

[navyblueshorts]

Hey ho! At least England won and with a ridiculously inexperienced side; definitely a step forward from the last RWC.

[kwinigolfer]

What does everyone on here think about the Terry/Capello mess?

Only person I've seen talking sense so far is John Motson; he still wonders why the Terry Court case had to be postponed until July. Exactly. Prelude to a can of worms.

Slippery slope after that, but would think the sweet FA undermined Capello by not offering him a place round the table when they decided to strip the Captaincy from Terry.

(This is of course quite apart Terry's qualities as a player, captain or human being, all of which have been in question.)

[Diggers]

Kwini, much as I love Motty he's hardly uinique in that opinion. Nobody understands why it was postponed or thinks it was a good idea. The reason it was postponed it because a magistrate accepted/believed it was good idea to do so as it was impratical to have the trial mid season becasue of the footballing witnesses that would need to be called.
So blame the magistrate, they didnt have to postpone the case.

[kwinigolfer]

Digs,
Remember, I live a sheltered life up here in the tundra; just haven't seen anyone else say that except, just recently, Bernstein.
What next for Terry's career? Would think that, to paraphrase Disraeli, losing the Captaincy once was a disaster, to lose it twice is a catastrophe.
(To Terry's career of course, not anyone else.)

[Diggers]

As long as he doesnt get a third chance to lose it I couldnt give a monkeys. I just cant see why any new manager would want to take him to the Euros, on form I think he is still worth a squad place but only just and all the other factors should make it not worth taking him.
Big call for whoever gets the job.

[navyblueshorts]

Pathetic that Chelsea (I think) and weak magistrates basically got the court case postponed. If it was you or me up before the beak I seriously doubt we'd get a postponement. I don't like what I know of Terry at all, but in some ways I hope he's exonerated of the charge and then proceeds to play merry Hell with the FA and anyone else who's now inevitably tarred him on the word of one man.

Whomever gets the position post-Capello, they'll need all the luck and then some. Perennially under-achieving (over-rated? under-talented? over-paid) players, the Premiership et al not helping one iota, the media etc etc. I hope they (Redknapp?) have an armour-plated skin.

[Diggers]

Why should Terry be able to play hell with FA? The FA isn't bound by any laws as to who should captain the country. They can choose who they like, there is no innocent until proven guilty scenario with the England captaincy.
Terry has previous of, whether he is quilty of saying what he said or not, he isnt fit to be England captain and Capello made a mistake giving him back the armband. The FA rectified this mistake and Im glad they did.
And I hope he is found guilty and has the book thrown at him.

[navyblueshorts]

Whatever; you're probably right in some senses. The whole thing stinks to high Heaven and is exactly what I'd expect of English football and the FA....a complete stuff up.
His previous has nothing to do with it....as I'm sure the judge will be informing the jurors and the press.

[Diggers]

His previous has nothing to do with his court case, it has everything to do with him being England captain though.

[McLaren]

The england set up lost all credibility the day they failed to realize that a team should have built around Paul scholes for the next ten years after he entered the team. Instead the debate was about fitting two lesser players in together when it should have been anyone who was best suited to playing with scholes.

As for terry I can only hope his contract is ripped up by chelsea should he be found guilty.

[PoultersWig]

terry may or may not be a racist he may or may not be a chav he may or may not have been shagging around

one thing you can't say about him is that he didnt give 100 percent to england

if the roonys and scholes and gerrards and ferdinands and coles had given a fraction of a Flip about england compared to what terry gave perhaps the golden generation may have done better

im not a chelsea fan but someone needs to give him at least a little credit

[Doon the Water]

Someone once described Barry Ferguson as a ned who got lucky kicking a fitba.
I think the same can be said about a few of the English team.

[McLaren]

poulters wig

I think it is pretty clear that scholes lost interest in england through a combination of the other players not caring about the football and him not being given the respect he deserved. He was the best midfielder in Europe, maybe other than Zidane, for about ten years and the english failed to notice.

[Fader]

If Scholes lost interest then he simply didnt care about England enough to want to play. Scholes was a superb passer of the ball but has the tackling skills of a box of milk tray! So that alone would not make him better than a host of european midfielders around at the time. To put him on high above likes of Seedorf, Davids, Pirlo, Guardiola et al who were around the same time as Scholes who could all pass as well as Scholes and in many cases even better but could also time a tachle better than a late bus is ridiculous.

Back to the point though if he really cared like Beckham for example then he would have accepted his place in the Squad whether starting or not because its a squad game and the world doesnt revolve around one player instead of choosing to reitre if the reasons are as you say Mac.

Terry though has given 100% for his country and on that i would give him his place in the squad! However based on his form i dont think he should be a starter at the moment unless he improves.

Much is being made of Englands midfield frailties but the realistic thing is our midfield has players that can do a job against any european team because as Diggers says there arent many dangerous Euro teams. The main issue is our awful defensive options. Other than Lescott which centre back has even a half decent season. Our right back options are not all that either, Johnson great going forward but defensively poor, Richards is the better option. Left back Cole not a great season and Baines is unproven. What happens if Joe Harts is injured or suspended our keeper choices are not good behind him!

[lorus59]

Off topic, I see a young couple won a huge fortune in the lottery and claimed they would be helping all their friends and family. Where does the Tax man stand in all of this generosity?

[navyblueshorts]

If Scholes lost interest then he simply didnt care about England enough to want to play. Scholes was a superb passer of the ball but has the tackling skills of a box of milk tray! So that alone would not make him better than a host of european midfielders around at the time. To put him on high above likes of Seedorf, Davids, Pirlo, Guardiola et al who were around the same time as Scholes who could all pass as well as Scholes and in many cases even better but could also time a tachle better than a late bus is ridiculous....

Amen on that one. Mac is a MU fan though so I don't think we can be surprised at his take on it can we ?

Off topic, I see a young couple won a huge fortune in the lottery and claimed they would be helping all their friends and family. Where does the Tax man stand in all of this generosity?

Interesting point. Tax on the winners or the gifts they're planning on giving away? I assume the tax on the ticket is paid in advance but curious to know what happens to the monies that's given to anyone else.

[Skydriver]

Gambling winnings are non-taxable in first instance.

Gifting cash to anyone else is fine in itself (not a chargeable disposal subject to capital gains tax, if that's what you were asking), but there may be inheritance tax consequences should the donor die within [7?] years.

Usual health warning that I'm not a personal tax specialist so take your own advice should you happen to win millions and want to give some away blah blah blah.

[McLaren]

Fader

Scholes is not an arrogant type so I doubt he ever thought of himself as particularly special. What he did have issues with is the lack of passion for winning the other England players showed. He was used to a winning mentality at old Trafford and probably couldn’t understand why it did not exist at national level.

And yes, he was as good as Davids, seedorf and Guardiola. I assume Iniesta knows a thing or two about football and he pretty much agrees with my assessment of scholes abilities.


Also why is wheeler dealer Rednap so highly rated as a manager?

[Diggers]

Scholes will have played in England teams that included the Nevilles, Beckham, Ferdinand and Butt. Not like the supposed winning mentaility of Man Utd shouldnt have been represented.
You would seriously think that Scholes never played centre midfield for England. Im pretty sure he played there in Euro 2000 (under Keegan?) when we were utterly schocking. At the end of the day he had his chances and failed just as badly and often as the other guys in the "golden" generation.
Poulters wig, Id never slate Cole for not giving effort, horrible little man, but
doesnt have many bad games for England and often has been our only decent player.
And yes Terry tries on the pitch but what about him shooting his mouth off to the press in South Africa about the fact he might have to challenge Capello, that was hardly doing the England squads chances any good and was completely not his place.
The guy is an idiot.

[Fader]

Fader

Scholes is not an arrogant type so I doubt he ever thought of himself as particularly special. What he did have issues with is the lack of passion for winning the other England players showed. He was used to a winning mentality at old Trafford and probably couldn’t understand why it did not exist at national level.

And yes, he was as good as Davids, seedorf and Guardiola. I assume Iniesta knows a thing or two about football and he pretty much agrees with my assessment of scholes abilities.


Also why is wheeler dealer Rednap so highly rated as a manager?

He was as good a passer but he was not as complete a midfielder and no-one not even an ardent utd fan can say he was due to the fact he could not time a tackle as well as them, but he was one of the best if not the best of the premier league era.

As for Redknapp, I totally agree tacticaly he has never proven a thing, what has he achieved. One CUp win, relegation and bankruptcy at Pompey, relegation at West Ham and spent a bucket load at spurs.

[Nay]

Fadar you are aware that it wasn't Redknapp who got West ham relegated, it was Glenn Roeder.

As for he has spent a bucket load at spurs, so have all the teams he is contending with, the wage structure at spurs is a lot less than the Man city, Utd, liverpool, chelsea, even arsenal have a higher wage bracket for top earners.

[Diggers]

Im far from being a huge Harry fan but I think he is the right man for the job right now. He will give a bit of feel good factor which is badly needed. Id be happy for him to stay as Spurs manager and just take the job part time and see how the Euros go, Im sure he would cope. Sure you can say he wont get to watch all the games but they are televised and he can watch them later and he knows the players in the Premiership anyway, especially the ones who will be in the squad.
Sure he hasnt won much, but when the big 4 are winning everything who really has won more than the odd trophy (everyone sees Moyes as a good manager but how is he meant to win anything at Everton?)? Spurs are a big club but he's hardly been there that long and has done a good job. Plus his teams play a bit which I think every England fan is crying out for more than anything else.

[McLaren]

Not sure how true it is but I have heard arsenal try and pay all their players roughly the same amount or at least have the lowest gap between best and worst paid. I guess it is to promote equality in status and better team spirit. Has anyone else heard this?

[navyblueshorts]

Haven't heard that Mac but it's an interesting idea. I mean, why is one position worthy of more money in a team game where each position is, arguably, equally important??

[Fader]

Topic of the day in my office seems to be the "tragic" deminse of Whitney Houston....

I am the only one that does not see it as tragic in my office, more a case I see it that she made the choices to take drugs and go down the slippery slope that has led to her death. Far as I'm concerned it is a waste of talent but I feel no tragedy in her loss or sympathy for her. Her family yes as any death to a family is tragic but as an outsider i feel it's her own fault.

Now I may be alone in that opinion but heyho

[Doon the Water]

No Fader, you are not alone.

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