Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

by super_realist Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:50 pm

First topic message reminder :

Can't see anything wrong with oil companies. Like every other business they are out to make money, but somehow it is frowned upon to make more than anyone else.
It is not the fault of the oil companies if there is future harm to the environment, as if there wasn't a demand or the product they wouldn't be continuing to invest in finding it. (if there even is an issue with the environment)
Oil companies probably put more money into alternatives than anyone else. Statoil in particular.

As for climate change, there is no doubt it is occurring, however considering the age of the earth is measured in billions of years and we are only able to go back as far as the last ice age (10-15000 years) to measure climate trends. I'm yet to be convinced of man's actual contribution. The number one greenhouse gas is not C02, CH4 or any other by product of our use, but infact naturally occuring water vapour, which our burning of fossil fuels barely make a dent in. Of course it's all about tolerances and thresholds, but with the likes of India, China and America being the worlds biggest polluters, I'm not going to feel guilty about European energy consumption. It seems very convenient that as people are reliant on fossil fuel then it is easy to tax it by both increasing it's price and the guilt associated with using it.

Anyway, all these lentil knitters who go on about the "evil" of oil have never ever given a viable alternative.
Personally I think Nuclear power is the way forward, but the uneducated hippies will never allow it.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:22 pm

selsdon isnt a good part of croydon!- purley,addington, south croydon, sandersteat, caterham,kenley are aome of the decent parts. Selsdon is just row after row of mundane suburban houses which are cheapish- slighly better than forestdale next door, which is obviously miles better than new addington next door to that!!

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:27 pm

Almost all of the london councils are clients of mine and i see the state of the whole of london- the worst places i have to go to are actually north west- the place is falling apart- most south east schools/public areas are very well funded in comparison!

South east london has so many parks and golf courses as welll. I take it you know hither green. well dulledge is next door- decent place and very green!

by kwinigolfer Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:28 pm

mysti,
Sounds like you're from the south-of-Croydon neck of the woods. Used to play cricket at Whyteleafe; some nice country round there, used to walk up to Warlingham, lovely properties on the way.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:36 pm

live in woldingham mate . nice hear

by kwinigolfer Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:36 pm

Very nice!

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:46 pm

So you must have been from croydon wayas well i take it. When i move again i will go furthar south or even south east- There is an air of snobbery around west and north london, however the reality is that its no better at all. allways a bad area within a few minutes from you. However i do envy you abit being in canada- wow what a change!!

by kwinigolfer Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:49 pm

Lived in W'leafe for three years in the 70's, but played for the CC until 1983, commuting from a flat I owned by Islington Green. A bit dismal now but Islington was fantastic 30 years ago!

Almost in Canada, about forty miles south of the border.

by Diggers Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:51 pm

Do you mean Dulwich ? Yeah thats nice, borderline south east / south west really like Streatham which is not nice, not that close to Hither Green though really. Really after Dulwich the south circular is a drive through misery.
Anyway we could go on all night, you clearly dont mind it and I'd rather lose a kidney than live there again do we are not likely to agree anytime soon.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:53 pm

No dude i hate certain parts of south london and south east london. not my point though. just as much rubbish all over london, just an air of snobbery about it

by Diggers Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:57 pm

And my point is the feel of the overall area, not snobbery just my opinion.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:00 pm

so you think that dulwich has the same overall feel as streatham ?

or that chislehurst has the same feel as orpington!!??

or greenwich/blackheath over deptford??

not saying you are being snobbish either.

by Diggers Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:04 pm

No I'm saying Dulwich is nice but if I have to live there I have to accept and travel through what surrounds it and south eastern London as a whole , the architecture, the road systems, depresses me in a way that other parts of London don't. So ultimately it becomes subjective.

by McLaren Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:08 pm

I rented a flat in Kensington recently, it seemed like an ok part of town. Not as nice as Edinburgh though.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:11 pm

i dont think you know much about boroughs like barnet,hounslow or watford then in all firness- london is like that all over dude.. it isnt any greener elsewhere.

I work at harrow school sometimes, i also work at plenty of other state schools there as well- the differnece is unreal, you have to drive through rubbish all over london.

You mention dulwich, but you didnt mention chislehurst or beckenham did- bith part of se london- and if you dont want to you will never ever need to drive through catford or sidcup etc!!

you get transport into london or you drive out!

even in dulwich you just drive up to crystal place and go south- you would never really drive through peckham or streatham would you!! its transport into london and driving out!!

by Doon the Water Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:13 pm

I actually lived in Surbiton and Esher.
We lived in Surbiton when the TV programme The Good Life was filmed.
It was full of stuck up wannabees like Gerry and Margo.
We were more Tom and Barbara

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:20 pm

doon i think you have prooved my point completely- surbiton isnt the best place in the world- some nice parts within it, but ultimately very average and very similar to alot of se london, yet there are all stuck up!!

by Diggers Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:39 pm

Funnily enough I moved to Brighton from Surbitin where I lived for 3 years and didn't find it remotely stuck up, but Surbiton is Surrey anyway, no vote for who gets to be London mayor.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:42 pm

Diggers surbiton is very much part of a london bourgh in the same way all others are!!

However I do like broighton alot!

by Diggers Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:50 pm

Really , so why can't you vote in the London mayoral elections ? KT postcode, no sw to be seem in Surbs mate.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:55 pm

well its ridiculas from my pov. penge , anerley, cyrstal palace are all part of the bromley bourogh- the council tax is paid to bromley yet they have se postcodes- but your telling me they can vote on the mayor- yet a BR postcode cant- same goes for selhurst and croydon, and i suppose sw boroughs as well.

edit- i think the point is mayor voting has nothing to do with postcodes but inner boroughs. Surbiton is in the london borough of kingston. We started this conversation talking about london boroughs surely- not inner london boroughs.

by Hibbz Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:56 pm

I live in Surbiton and don't think it's particularly stuck up. We actually live in The Avenue which was where the Good Life was set but I hate to shatter your illusions Doon it was actually filmed in Northwood which is North London!

Mystiroakey, Surbiton is West London not East, and Diggers we will indeed be entitled to vote in the London Mayoral election should we wish.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:02 pm

hibbz i know surbiton well and know where it is, my point is that its in the west yet no different frommany towns east

by Diggers Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:04 pm

Hibbz, I wa there for the last election and we had no vote so they must have changed the boundaries.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:05 pm

point is diggs its in a london borough!

and secondly nothing to do with postcodes

by Doon the Water Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:23 pm

Amazing wonders of the world

Part 1. Ronald Regan is elected as US President
Part 2 Boris Johnstone is elected Mayor of London.

by McLaren Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:31 pm

Part 3: George Osborne is made chancellor

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:45 pm

I think the day i get away from london, even though i live in an oasis of country close by london i still work there almost every day, i will probally feel like others- that nothing will bring me back- however My concern is that SE london has a pikey image and others dont. I am not even from SE london- born and bread in wimbledon, lived in beckeham and chislehurst mind for a couple of years(very decent places, and in all honesty have much more character, individuality and beauty than places like surbiton!!)

I used to go out alot in greenwich and blackheath- compare that to a night out in kingston- which in all honesty is no different from a night out in croydon!!

by Doon the Water Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:20 pm

We went out in style at a charity presentation at the Langam.
Afterwards my wife said, 'Right that's it, I hope I never set foot in London again'. That was in 1994, and we haven't.

by mystiroakey Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:33 pm

Good on ya!

by **navyblueshorts** Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:26 pm

McLaren wrote:...Navy

Work network seems to have issues with the v2 PM system but fear not a reply will be on its way sometime soon.

Be still my beating heart.

by Diggers Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:35 pm

Roakey, out of interest have you actually lived anywhere in London outside of South East London ?

by Fader Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:22 pm

I used to live in Sidcup in the Hollies, very nice part of the area but have to admit many of the residents were very stuck up, thought because they had a nice house it made them better than others in the area. Also rented in Beckenham for a while when I was a bit younger and first worked in London, again lots of people in that area think they are high society based on their post code!

Glad I moved out of SE London down into Kent to get away from it all and have found people far more down to earth.

by kwinigolfer Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:56 pm

Fader,
Many decades ago we used to have to troll down to Sidcup to play footie in a London league - must have loads of parks down there . . . . .?

by Fader Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:47 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Fader,
Many decades ago we used to have to troll down to Sidcup to play footie in a London league - must have loads of parks down there . . . . .?

Hi Kwini.

I used to play in one of the local leagues for a while when living in Sidcup, there was a london league, but the main league in that area was or should I say still is the Kent Suburban League. Basically only called that because the committee that run it are based in bexleyheath and use VCD Athletic as there headquarters and use that ground for their finals.

The league spans from Dartford into the sunurbs of SE London, incorporating areas like Chimbrook, Sidcup, Mottingham, Lewisham, Blackheath, Greenwich, Charlton etc, but maintain the Kent name as I say due to being based in Bexleyheath as even though its a London area code for telephone and comes inder the London borough of Bexley yet its a Kent DA postal code and doesn't officially fall under greater London, figure that one out!

There are a few pitches in Sidcup at places like the schools et but most football there is at Danson Park which would come under Bexleyheath as an area yet is more sort of Blackfen way, but a beautiful park with lots of grounds and fantastic place to take kids on a summers day, even pop in the Stables pub for light refreshment and some fine grub which is in the middle of the park. For a bit of pointless info Roger Moore 007 used to live in the house right opposite where the entrance to the boathouse at Danson Park is.

by mystiroakey Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:25 am

Diggers wrote:Roakey, out of interest have you actually lived anywhere in London outside of South East London ?

wimbledon, clapham and south croydon. but i have allready mentioned that- I think the question is more about where you have lived and why you feel the need to judge areas on the whole because of bad experiences. There are many good places to live in the se - just like there are many bad places to live in the west and north.

by mystiroakey Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:43 am

Fader wrote:I used to live in Sidcup in the Hollies, very nice part of the area but have to admit many of the residents were very stuck up, thought because they had a nice house it made them better than others in the area. Also rented in Beckenham for a while when I was a bit younger and first worked in London, again lots of people in that area think they are high society based on their post code!

Glad I moved out of SE London down into Kent to get away from it all and have found people far more down to earth.

lol fader you have seen the other side of SE london to diggers! complete reversal of experiences, and offcourse that was based on where you lived within the areas- same thing happens in other parts of london- well in fact all of london!

by mystiroakey Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:57 am

any way guys, i stick up for se london mainly due to the fact that most people i meet from the west side allways seen more up themselves than the east side.. ok i havent experienced much of living in the bad areas- apart from when i lived in anerley for 6 months(ex gf owned a place there) but also lived in tooting with a mate for 3 months and its a close call as to which was scarier!! on the other side quality of life in beckeham, chislehurst to wimbledon or clapham isnt any different either!!

But lets flip this around and say which place have i lived in which has the best golf courses near by!! south croydon wins out every time!! Croydon is obviously in no mans land- not part of se , not part of sw, people in surrey dont want to associate with it either because of its reputation, howveer on the whole quite a nice place to live when you consider the parts directly north of it.

by Diggers Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:07 am

Wimbledon, Tooting, Camberwell, Brixton, Streatham, Clapham, Hither Green and Stoke Newington and Surbiton. Enough places to form an opinion from ?
Looking back I see you say you prefer Beckenham to Surbiton which personally I again find baffling as Beckenham is just a turgid south circ high st town which has some decent housing stock roads but nothing of interest outside of that while Surbs is has the same housing and is on a beautiful stretch of the Thames.
So again it's all subjective.

by mystiroakey Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:22 am

a beautifull stretch on the thames- lol, and on the other side i dont think you know anything about beckenham. You think selsdon is a decent part of croydon , well actually i would put surbiton in that bracket as well- both ultmate suburbia with no charcater.

You have only lived in hither green in the SE so no you do not have any real experience in living in SE london bar one horrid part of it(brixton and streatham are very much in south london- you need to stop judging places on postcodes!!)- its like someone living in the decent parts of SE london yet judging SW london on tooting or mitcham!!

by mystiroakey Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:29 am

And if you wanna come back with - oh but its nicer driving around places like clapham over beckenham-.. I had to leave my car at my parents when i lived there it drove me so mental!

However clapham was a very decent place to go out, but beckenham much better cachement area for schools and getting out of london etc, golf courses , just as many decent restaurants. still only 20 mins to the centre of london, but not on a tube, but then traffic wise and road wise its actually usable!

by Diggers Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:30 am

Seems you are quite happy to have an opinion but not so keen on anyone else having one. I worked in Bromley for 2 years and know that area very well and have friends in Beckenham and again know it well.
I accept you can have a view on Surbs, I also think its a very odd one , but it takes all sorts. After all you like Croydon so enough said really.

by Diggers Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:54 am

mystiroakey wrote:a beautifull stretch on the thames- lol, and on the other side i dont think you know anything about beckenham. You think selsdon is a decent part of croydon , well actually i would put surbiton in that bracket as well- both ultmate suburbia with no charcater.

You have only lived in hither green in the SE so no you do not have any real experience in living in SE london bar one horrid part of it(brixton and streatham are very much in south london- you need to stop judging places on postcodes!!)- its like someone living in the decent parts of SE london yet judging SW london on tooting or mitcham!!

When did I say Brixton and Streatham are east ? Though you were happy to claim Dulwich, Streathams neighbour, as East when it suited your argument . Mind you , you also thought it was near Hither Green so I'm far from convinced about your London geography.

by mystiroakey Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:10 am

Hither green is a 5 minute drive from dulwich pal! i was just telling you that there are nice parts around where you have experienced. Sadly i know london especially south of the river from east to west inside out, and its not something i want to shout from the roof tops about!

If you want to tell me that the postcode area of SE is worse than SW i cant agree with you more- however the fact is when talking about south east london boroughs we include some decent areas, and i dont understand people grouping it all as being horrid.

by Diggers Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:15 am

Five minutes drive ? Your credibility which was low after your Croydon affection is now zero. It is however a couple of minutes from Streatham, that ever so west according to you part of London......pal.

by McLaren Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:16 am

Diggers

I have managed that drive in 3 minutes 37.5 seconds.

by Diggers Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:21 am

In an F1 car at 2 in the morning Mac ? It's about a 5 mile drive and you don't get to do 20 let alone 60 in London.

by mystiroakey Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:24 am

Diggers wrote:Five minutes drive ? Your credibility which was low after your Croydon affection is now zero. It is however a couple of minutes from Streatham, that ever so west according to you part of London......pal.

diggers i honestly think its time i stopped talking to you- its quite clear you dont have a scooby doo! lol. Did you used to get around on a horse or a skateboard or something!!

and what did i call west london, your becoming confussed

by mystiroakey Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:33 am

diggs i think its time we eneded this discussion- you lived in hiter green which is basically catford -ok- its an absoloute hole of a place to live. you are judging the whole of SE london by that experience- you know as well as i do that dulwich isnt that far away and beckenham is also round the corner which are half decent places! You have also lived in clapham- decent place to live granted- but you judge SW london on that!

its about having a more rounded perspective from my pov!

And i dont appreciate the croydon comment either, you seen very narrow minded to me and it speaks volumes about yourself especially when you resort to personal diggs!(scuse the pun)

by McLaren Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:40 am

Maybe you just come from differing backgrounds and therefore have different ideas about what constitutes a nice place to live?

by Diggers Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:48 am

I'd say you were guilty of exactly the same. Ultimately you know nothing about my knowledge of SE London , but are happy to think I have none. Fine, if you ever want to meet and drive me from Dulwich in 5 mins Ill happily give you a hundred quid. It's utter poppycock as you well know.I've told you I know Beckenham and Bromley and for that matter Penge, Sydenham and Crystal Palace. If you think I'm a liar that's again your call...bit offensive though really but hey ho.
As Ive said I don't care for much of London but my least favourite part is south east, you seem to have some kind of chip on your shoulder as to why anyone should feel that way. Cest la vie.

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