Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Can't see anything wrong with oil companies. Like every other business they are out to make money, but somehow it is frowned upon to make more than anyone else.
It is not the fault of the oil companies if there is future harm to the environment, as if there wasn't a demand or the product they wouldn't be continuing to invest in finding it. (if there even is an issue with the environment)
Oil companies probably put more money into alternatives than anyone else. Statoil in particular.

As for climate change, there is no doubt it is occurring, however considering the age of the earth is measured in billions of years and we are only able to go back as far as the last ice age (10-15000 years) to measure climate trends. I'm yet to be convinced of man's actual contribution. The number one greenhouse gas is not C02, CH4 or any other by product of our use, but infact naturally occuring water vapour, which our burning of fossil fuels barely make a dent in. Of course it's all about tolerances and thresholds, but with the likes of India, China and America being the worlds biggest polluters, I'm not going to feel guilty about European energy consumption. It seems very convenient that as people are reliant on fossil fuel then it is easy to tax it by both increasing it's price and the guilt associated with using it.

Anyway, all these lentil knitters who go on about the "evil" of oil have never ever given a viable alternative.
Personally I think Nuclear power is the way forward, but the uneducated hippies will never allow it.

[super_realist]

Mac, I understand all your ideas but I don't have to agree with them

I'm merely proferring my opinion. I couldn't care less if you agree with them or not.
Without doubt though there are certain things about which I know more than you, but considering all your knowledge comes from quick wiki references, book blurbs, Amazon reviews and The Guardian/Socialist Worker it isn't really that surprising.

[Diggers]

Yes Diggers, I know. Further to the moaning (footballers or not) though, I find the body language of footballers to be poor too, and I think they could learn a great deal about sport psychology. They miss a goal and it's as if someone has just shat in their mouth.

And of course Andy Murray dances a jig when he puts a backhand long doesnt he.

[super_realist]

Actually Diggers, I think his body language is one of his biggest weaknesses, I've said that for a long time. It would be one of the first things I would address if I were on his team.

[Diggers]

You are just making sweeping statements...footballers could be fitter.....they all have poor body language...they are all thick and cant speak....etc etc.
I could just as easily say all boxers are thugs, all distance runners are dull because distance running is dull, all rugby players are fat.
None of these are even close to being true nor are your views on football, you just hate the game so have a few slightly bizarre theories about it. Its a bit like reading a Michael Moore book, you can kind of see the logic in what he is saying but he is so twisted and biased with his own beliefs that ultimately you lose faith in him.

[mystiroakey]

Ok as its an anything goes thread.

how about the fact that a golfer has never come out. a few must be gay!

My guesses would be alvo quiros and note begay

[lorus59]

A lot of them dress in a very gay way.

[Diggers]

Isn't Ollie meant to bat for the other side?

[Fader]

Very good point the amount of golfers in the world some of the top ones must be batting for the otherside. Olly gay? I've not heard that before but would certainly add up!

There's quite a few out there that could be a good point to see who we think maybe that way inclined. I'd be will to say that I think Quiros to is a possible

[McLaren]

mysti

I haveresurrected an old bbc 606 classic for us all to enjoy and contribute new ideas on the back of your homosexuality in golf comment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A68851470

https://www.606v2.com/t27544-golf-and-homosexuality#1128116

[Hibbz]

There's quite a few out there that could be a good point to see who we think maybe that way inclined. I'd be will to say that I think Quiros to is a possible

Ha, ha. Why are jokes always more amusing when some people don't get them?

[Fader]

There's quite a few out there that could be a good point to see who we think maybe that way inclined. I'd be will to say that I think Quiros to is a possible

Ha, ha. Why are jokes always more amusing when some people don't get them?

Oh dear! Hibbz I very much get the Quiros and Begay joke, I just happen to think despite his name Quiros could easily be that way inclined

[mystiroakey]

lol- takes one to know one fader- just kidding

anyway. just read through that old 606 article.. same names lol different time- that took me back.

[pedro]

The ones with skeletons in the closet are often those with the most polished surface. Tiger was a god example. Therefore I would't be surprised if Bible bashers Zach Johnson or Webb Simpson were batting for the other team. Holy Roman emperor, the androgynous Bernie Langer also strikes me as someone who could bat for the other team. Additionally all have early marriages, probably lots of children and strong religious beleifs in common. A bad combo, the human nature in mind.

Personally I don't care (besides being curious of course), I just wish people came out in stead of cheating for years.

[mystiroakey]

I think golf would be a perfect start in regards to coming out. It must be much tougher in team sports to come out. Come on golfers you know who you are.. Maybe the gay ones could show us by using pink drivers. actually wait a minute!!

[Diggers]

So any 606 posters going to come out ? Statistically speaking there must be a few gay guys who post on the board, and you still get to be pretty anonymous but honest at the same time ?

[super_realist]

There is no statistical certainty that there are gay 606v2 forum users. The phrase one in ten is gay is often misunderstood in terms of statistics.
You can't have ten people in a forum and claim that one is gay, besides we wouldn't allow a gay on the forum.

[pedro]

Allowing super and McLaren in the forum clearly indicates that we have no prejudice and that our doors are open for all.

So whether you are gay, muslim, pygmee, communist or French, please come out...

[Diggers]

Of course not, but we dont have 10 people do we, we have probably at least a 100 people who post on the golf forum alone. And many hundreds more who probably prefer to read but not post. So you are pushing it if you think that at least one person who reds or posts on here is not gay. But I guarantee you that nobody would admit it. This board is full of veiled prejudice and inuendo, and I include myself in that, its a microcosm of why people choose not to come out.

[Diggers]

Allowing super and McLaren in the forum clearly indicates that we have no prejudice and that our doors are open for all.

So whether you are gay, muslim, pygmee, communist or French, please come out...

OK, Ill start......Im northern, Im an IT geek and im proud !!!!!

[mystiroakey]

I am proud of being from south london Diggers, from your pov that is surely harder to admit than being simply gay!

I do admit to having some admiration for you being proud of being Northern- That takes some guts!

[mystiroakey]

One of my sub contractors just made a hole in one yesterday lol and had to txt me to let me know!! I will fully admit to being jealous of this fact considering i could have had 15 allready yet have none!! hit the flag 8 times and hung on the lip a furthar 10!! and yet he has just got a hole in one and hasnt even got a handicap! Lucky to shoot below 100 on an easy golf course and has a swing that looks like it comes from a different game!!

[McLaren]

Well we all know that I like the younger girl with a hint of red in the hair. Head hair that is, that tends to be all they have.

[Diggers]

Ive no problem with South London Mysti, its the hovel ghetto that is South East London that I object to
Ive never been proud to be northern, professional northerners get on my nerves big time to be honest.

[McLaren]

Diggers

I did not know you were a fellow scot?

[Diggers]

Im not, and if I was Id never come out and admit it.

[mystiroakey]

Ive no problem with South London Mysti, its the hovel ghetto that is South East London that I object to
Ive never been proud to be northern, professional northerners get on my nerves big time to be honest.

LOL.

Well being born and breed in south west and living 90% of my life all over south london including south east i dont see the boundaries.(anyway lets leave at that shall we dude )

Look nothing wrong with northerers at all- i will be working next week in preston and the weekend in cardiff and i have to admit its allways nice to get up there, totally different way of life! might even get a round at celtic manor on the sunday!!

[Diggers]

Mysti, Im happy to forget all the south east london stuff but of you ever talk about being northern and Welsh as if they were one and the same I shall have to seek you out and destroy you

[mystiroakey]

North of the river is northern Diggs surely

[McLaren]

Digs

I thought you said you were from the north?

[Diggers]

So why didnt you think I was Swedish, or Finnish ? Lots of places more northern than Jockland Mac.

[McLaren]

I just assumed you were from the UK as I am sure you have said you work in london in the past. Sorry if you are finish or whatever.

[Diggers]

North of England Mac, Ive never heard anyone say they were from the north of the UK, or say Im a southern UKer, have you ?
Incidentally do people in Scotland say they are northern scottish or southern scottish ? I know you have highlanders and Ive heard of border folk but thats about it.

[McLaren]

I always think of the north of the UK when people say the north, anything norh of Glasgow is northern.

I guess the some of the Highlands and the Islands have a slightly different identity compared to the rest of Scotland, but not really a north/south thing.

Up until around the 1500-1600 ish the Islands had their own "King" and were sort of like a devolved part of the nation.

[Diggers]

I always think of the UK as a bunch of countries, so first split is England, Scotland, Wales and NI and then I think regionally within the countries. Or rather within England. So I guess I dont see the UK as a geographical entity in its own right, odd really.

[super_realist]

Disagree with your statistical analysis. There probably are gay 606ers, but it doesn't follow that it reflects the national average.

Even 100 people isnt really enough for a statistical certainty.

[Diggers]

How do you know that it doesnt reflect the national average ? Is this like your hunch that footballers arent fit ?
All you really know about the people on here is that they like golf. Do you have any evidence of any studies that suggest golfers are inherently straight ?
Or do you have a stereotype of what a gay man should be like and therefore are making an assumption that posters are not gay ?

[mystiroakey]

So can we make a generalisation that most people who spend time discussing sport are less likely to be gay, unless there are female of course- how many of the female posters are gay?

[Diggers]

So can we make a generalisation that most people who spend time discussing sport are less likely to be gay, unless there are female of course- how many of the female posters are gay?

I dont see how we can make that generalisation, unless its so somehow make ourselves feel better that because we discuss sport we are straight macho males. All we can possibly say is that gay people are less likely to come out to men who like sports as those kind of men consider themselves macho ?

[pedro]

Well, according to the Iranian President Ahmedinejad there are no gays in Iran.

[mystiroakey]

Yep it is a generalisation, that may or may not be true..However you are right in regards to not coming out on a sporting forum!

I am not sure I would, as much as i would wont to believe i wouldnt have a problem with it!

[super_realist]

It's far less likely to reflect the national average because the members of the forum are here for a particular reason. i.e Golf.
It is the same reason why it is unlikely to accurately reflect the gender split of the country or reflect ethnicity either.


Similar to looking at the sexuality of people at an Erasure gig or a party at Michael Barrymore's (you might also see a higher proportion of people drowned in a pool too). I would expect to see fewer heterosexuals in that particular sample of people than the national average.


Golf, is traditionally a sport for white, middle class, middle aged, portly men of a heterosexual background. Therfore it's far less likely to reflect any of the statitical trends you'd find in society as a whole.

Of course, that doesn't mean that 10% (or whatever the national average) of 606v2ers aren't bum bandits, just that it's far less likely given the topic is golf and the associations and traditions that it usually holds.

The point is that niche clubs, events, forums whatever , scarecely represent society as a whole, and while it is possible by chance that they might reflect certain traits, you can never say for certain.
You'd find fewer aetheists in a church than the national average because of the reason people are there and the traditional values associated with going to church.
Therefore you can't measure society against golf club members because the vast majority of society aren't interested in golf.

[lorus59]

I am sure if there was a fashion forum, there would be a much higher percentage of gay men contributing to it.

[pedro]

Actually I don't know whether gay men would be good or bad golfers? Loose wrists is probably and advantage in the short game, but a disadvantage in the long game?

[Diggers]

So you do have a study that says anyone who likes golf is straight, because unless you do that is a complete and utter load of hogwash you have just spouted there.
Its one thing to be able to work out the demographic of golfers in terms of class or colour or gender, few visible clues going on there and a bit of data on golf application forms, its completely diferent to try and assess their sexuality for stark staringly obvious reasons.
Do you think that a certain percentage of accountants are gay or straight ? You may as well make that claim as it has as much credance as what you have just written.
The Tory party has an obvious history of being white and higher classed and "conservative", you get plenty of gay Tory politicians though despite that.
You seem to have a very clear idea of the kind of social norms that a gay man will conform to, I work in industries that have a lot of openly gay men and funnily enough they are all individuals who like different things including sport in many cases.

[super_realist]

No Diggers, I'm merely saying that it is impossible to say it matches the national average for gayness.
I've conceded it could, but I've seen no evidence to say it does.

Comparing jobs etc is totally different, interests and the sort of things associated with certain interests is something completely different from what you do for work, although I bet there are more gay hairdressers, dancers and actors per capita than there are gay mechanics or roughnecks.

I might as well ask why you think the number of gay golfers does/might reflect the national average.

[Diggers]

I have no reason to believe that the number of gay golfers doesnt reflect the national avarage. I think you would find that the stereotype of the gay hair dresser is indeed just that and the vast majority of gay people operate their career choices in exactly the same way that straight people do.

[mystiroakey]

I am sure if there was a fashion forum, there would be a much higher percentage of gay men contributing to it.

oddly enough golf and fashion is quite interlinked these days!

[super_realist]

So, there are 800 gay members at my club.
I'm resigning immediately. Someone should tell their wives.

[Diggers]

So, there are 800 gay members at my club.
I'm resigning immediately. Someone should tell their wives.

Im guessing its the long term single guys in their mid 30's who might be the gay ones......

[super_realist]

Ha ha. If only you'd said that two weeks ago, unless I'm in denial of course.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a high proportion in the R&A that's a pretty repressed culture, from a public school background.

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