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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon 09 Jan 2012, 6:15 pm

Welcome to the Virtual Rugby Pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the picture of Maxime Medard* above the bar!


So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

Ale cuppa coffee mug guinness cider RedWine Bubbly


Last Pub: https://www.606v2.com/t21314-the-dew-drop-inn-virtual-rugby-pub



* While the other suggestion of Owens, Thomas and Hughie had merit, I couldn't face having Hughie's mug on the wall Wink
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 09 Jan 2012, 6:20 pm

Noswaith dda pawb / good evening all.

The Wispa Gold is a wonderful thing.

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Post by Glas a du Mon 09 Jan 2012, 6:29 pm

I liked that peanut kitkat.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 09 Jan 2012, 6:41 pm

Kitkat Chunky Caramel's good, too.

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Post by Suspicious lurker Mon 09 Jan 2012, 6:41 pm

Less of your jip young Staggy
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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 6:55 pm

Wendy Hurrell. BBC weather girl. That is all.
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Post by Guest Mon 09 Jan 2012, 6:57 pm

Aww I reckon we should have put the other three pics above the bar anyway, but still, Medard is there, no complaining from me! heart



(P.S. The gym doesn't like me)

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Post by Cymroglan Mon 09 Jan 2012, 7:32 pm

Bella Emberg in the Blunderwoman gear did it for me.

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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 7:40 pm

Bella was a babe.
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Post by PJHolybloke Mon 09 Jan 2012, 7:41 pm

Good evening pub, hope all is well with you and yours. kiss

After great deliberation I have decided to take up the Government's latest advice on drinking, and henceforth, I shall be taking 2 days off every week. warning

My designated days will be tomorrow and the day after. Yahoo

Sorted. The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub 3602195817 guinness guinness guinness cider cider mug mug
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Post by Rava Mon 09 Jan 2012, 7:48 pm

Mark.

Disappointed that my suggestion of Allain Rolland photograph was overlooked Sad
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Post by PJHolybloke Mon 09 Jan 2012, 7:50 pm

Rava wrote:Mark.

Disappointed that my suggestion of Allain Rolland photograph was overlooked Sad

It's over there by the dartboard Rava, well technically speaking, it is the dartboard.
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Post by Guest Mon 09 Jan 2012, 7:51 pm

PJHolybloke wrote:
Rava wrote:Mark.

Disappointed that my suggestion of Allain Rolland photograph was overlooked Sad

It's over there by the dartboard Rava, well technically speaking, it is the dartboard.

Spot on, PJ!

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Post by PJHolybloke Mon 09 Jan 2012, 7:59 pm

Hey Dreamer, I read earlier you've bagged a role as internal auditor, is that part of a Quality Management roll-out, ISO 9000 bollix?
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Post by Guest Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:01 pm

noooo no PJ, or well I don't think so anyways!

There was this Environmental Management System course offer going around and I thought hey why not, I'm the green team rep, it should be good. Then they said it would be a course to help with auditing (it's all to do with the Green Dragon initiative my work is rolling out, they want to go up a level by the end of the year).


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Post by PJHolybloke Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:09 pm

Well good for you and da company, I'm all for anything that helps save the planet, I like to think of it as home you know? Smile

It sounds like a similar sort of thing to QM systems though, I guess you'll be checking to make sure everybody is following the correct "procedures"?
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Post by Guest Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:32 pm

I don't have a clue really PJ, shall all be a bit of an eye opener for me, looking forward to learning something new anyway.

But am sure that's something along the lines. I know for Green Dragon we need all parts of the organisation to be as you say following the right procedures. Make sure everything is recorded accuratley blah blah blah. All that interesting stuff Wink


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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:36 pm

I blame Rav for all these procedures.


Jaspar Carrot is back! And he rocks. Dissing all the Reality shoite we know and dont love. Grand. guinness
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Post by Guest Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:38 pm

Yeah I'mwatching him at the mo too, Gibbo.

Anyways, just finished making my batch of soup for the week and still got loads to do this evening so I'm ofski.

Nos da pawb Ale

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Post by PJHolybloke Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:40 pm

Dreamer, it'll be a breeze. The two most important words you'll need are "show me" (quiet at the back please), don't take anyone's word for it mate, they'll all lie under the beady eye of the Internal Auditor.

Make 'em sweat. Cool

What side is Carrot on Gibbo?
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Post by perthshirepuma Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:40 pm

Buenas tardes, amigos. Just putting my head round the door while my pizza is in the oven. Don't usually bother making it just for myself, but took the fancy earlier - then waiting until now for the bl**dy dough to rise!

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Post by PJHolybloke Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:41 pm

Found it. Very Happy
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Post by Thomond Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:45 pm

Fecking blisters!!!!!!! That will be all.

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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:46 pm

This guy sounds like us on a few vinos, PJ.
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Post by Thomond Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:52 pm

I would have been in favour of putting a picture of some of the regs up. Here's Asbo and Gibbo on the tear.






Spoiler:

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Post by PJHolybloke Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:52 pm

Gibson wrote:This guy sounds like us on a few vinos, PJ.

Right enough, I feel myself getting grumpier as each day goes by. The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub 3181402168
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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:54 pm

Laugh
So close. Ale

Ah T, we cant show the real pictures pal. We'd be divorced. And penniless.
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Post by perthshirepuma Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:54 pm

Ouch, ouch, hottie, hottie hot - but ... num,num,num Drool Chef

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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:56 pm

Puma,
Im not even going to ask. Just one question darlin, does yer Hubby know?
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Post by perthshirepuma Mon 09 Jan 2012, 8:59 pm

See previous post about the pizza, Gibbo - sadly that's the hottest thing in my life just now. But if Himself knew there was homemade pizza on the go at home .. (sigh) that would probably have him leaping into the car and heading home! Way to a man's heart and all that

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:04 pm

Thomond wrote:I would have been in favour of putting a picture of some of the regs up. Here's Asbo and Gibbo on the tear.






Spoiler:
T, that is not Gibbo - he's far prettier than that heart

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Post by Thomond Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:05 pm

I don't think those two are in the new Muppet movie actually. Shame.

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Post by red_stag Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:09 pm

Hi all, been chatting to my brother. He was out in the university gym (where Munster always train) he said the Munster team look to really have top team morale. Apparently a load of them were down in the basketball court, chucking about the ball to each other and random students who'd walk by. Playing mini passing and skills games and just in great form laughing and smiling the whole time.

He also said that Leamy was there too jogging about with the rest of them despite reports today that he is injured for 4 months. Apparently he has to get surgury to his hip that can't be put off any longer but isn't "injured" per say. Its just the right time to take the surgury.
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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:15 pm

David Jason is doing a great parody of Clouseau.

As,
Im the one on the right so bud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpgGwGIqccc&feature=related
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Post by Mrs Penfro Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:19 pm

It's just not funny though is it. It's a shame they couldn't find anything better for him to be in Erm

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Post by red_stag Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:20 pm

Gibbo - which one of them is SinE?
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Post by Thomond Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:22 pm

SinE isn't a cranky old fecker Stag. He is just your standard Tipperary man.

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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:23 pm

Mrs Penfro wrote:It's just not funny though is it. It's a shame they couldn't find anything better for him to be in Erm

MrsPenfron,
Yeah, it has to grow. It is UK pre-watershed. Like anytime in the 21st Century. So its bound to be a bit Terry & June.

WHO?
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Post by WillyGilly Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:23 pm

Henry scores on his second debut. Bound to happen wasn't it.
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Post by red_stag Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:24 pm

Thomond wrote:SinE isn't a cranky old fecker Stag. He is just your standard Tipperary man.

He got quite angry when I told him that the reason he is so Munster biased is that he wished he was from proper Munster (i.e. Limerick or Cork).
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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:25 pm

I like im. Great man for FACTS.


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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:28 pm

Actually, we should delete our posts on that. Not fair.
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Post by red_stag Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:28 pm

Gibson wrote:Ah leave the man alone lads. He loves Munster. And detests anything outside it. That's all.

Yep, that is really all.

I like im. Great man for FACTS.

And yet he lives outside Munster . . . Headscratch . . . the dark side is strong with this one.

By the way BEST news ever. . . . Eric Cantona is putting his name forward to be President of France notworthy
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Post by Thomond Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:29 pm

Stats are for losers though Gibson. He makes good points at times. Beside the insane ones.

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Post by red_stag Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:30 pm

Thomond wrote:Stats are for losers though Gibson. He makes good points at times. Beside the insane ones.

Yea he does to be fair to him. Notch said it best when he called him The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Makes good points but spends so much time just talking tripe that they get lost along the way.
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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:31 pm

He'd make a great Pres. I mean, the Yanks had a gobshoite running them and us - for yonks. Also, Arnie ran the 3rd richest area in the World. CF.

Can't do any worser.


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Post by Mrs Penfro Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:31 pm

The next programme will be better..... I think it's one of Cari's favourites isn't it?

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Post by red_stag Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:32 pm

ROG for President!!!!! SinE for the First Lady!! Paddy Wallace as Vice President.

Jonathan Sexton hung for treason.
Ian Madigan banished for heresy - a 10 who can't kick??

A full pardon granted to Declan Kidney for crimes against logic!

ROG has spokem


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Post by Gibson Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:33 pm

red_stag wrote:
Thomond wrote:Stats are for losers though Gibson. He makes good points at times. Beside the insane ones.

Yea he does to be fair to him. Notch said it best when he called him The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Makes good points but spends so much time just talking tripe that they get lost along the way.

Sorry. I meant STATS. Not FACTS. Big differ.

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Post by Thomond Mon 09 Jan 2012, 9:33 pm

Arnie ran the place and now the place is crippled with debt. Not all his fault though.

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