The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon 09 Jan 2012, 6:15 pm

First topic message reminder :

Welcome to the Virtual Rugby Pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the picture of Maxime Medard* above the bar!

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

Ale

Last Pub: https://www.606v2.com/t21314-the-dew-drop-inn-virtual-rugby-pub

* While the other suggestion of Owens, Thomas and Hughie had merit, I couldn't face having Hughie's mug on the wall Wink

by MrsP Thu 12 Jan 2012, 6:57 pm

But in the case of Ireland A the rules are clear cut.

If someone plays any fixture for Ireland A they are tied.

The fact that this only applies to one particular fixture for Wales U20s and even then, only sometimes for that fixture is just silly.

May as well say,

"If you play for Wales A(or equivilant) when there is a full moon, you are tied but not at any other time!"

Do Wales even want him or was it a case of just not letting anyone else have him?

by Cymroglan Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:07 pm

Do Wales even want him or was it a case of just not letting anyone else have him?

Should Wales have just let it go ? but one day we may not want a player to go where would we stand then.
Wales did not make the rules we just used the rules that are available,

If you play another U20s designated side then you are tied they are the rules and players should know that.

by PenfroPete Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:22 pm

MrsP wrote:I know it's a rule but I think it is an unfair rule.

If a lad that age wants to play for his mother's homeland then he should be able to. The fact that he played in one particular fixture for Wales U20s should not prevent it in my opinion.

The fact that he would be on the Scotland 6 Nations squad if he had played against Ireland U20s, England U20s, Italy's U 20s (if they have one) or even ScotlandU20s just makes the rule nonsensical.

Accept it's sh!te rule. However, it's the rule as it stands and the parties knew this. He's played FOURTEEN times for Wales U20 so it's not a moments indecision. Say, George North decides he wants to play for England, he's still under 20 isn't ? Do we bend the the rules for him ?

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:26 pm

Cymroglan wrote:If he wants to play for another country then he should not have made himself available to Wales for that particular match.
It's just the same as a young lad playing for Ireland A if he goes on the field then he is tied.

Can't use that rule otherwise it should have applied to Loxton and Jarvis the year before. Feel v disappointed for the young lad

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:26 pm

Gibson wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:Bollix! The quacks are onto me boozin, sneaky busterds with all them high falutin new fangle-dangle blood test thingies. That's better.

:burp: Evening Pub. What am I going to do?

PS I'm not lost yet Gibbo, I'm still mulling over the baby oil.

I went to the quack and had all sorts of blood tests done.

After they came back he said: "So MrG, you like a drink?"
Me: "Ah yeah, once in while lïke."
Doc: "How often"
Me: "Erm, I like a drop of wine with dinner"
Doc: "A drop? What is a drop? "
Me: "Ah a bottle of red wine... or two"
Doc: Laughs "You are Irish ja? And you like rugby ja? Do you drink large amounts after games?"
Me: "NO wine, Im very fussy about that. Just pints."

He laughs again. Its was just after the RWC QF's and he says "Zo, Ierland knocked out by Wales eh? Did that hurt your liver or your heart more?"

De bollix. Eveyone's a comedian these days.

He said my liver was fine. Just needed to have 2 or 3 days in the week when I flushed it out. NO drink. Just water.

I do that anyway. Always have since I was told it by a serious whiskey-drinking Doctor way back when. And. It obviously Works!

P.S. I love you too, honey-bunny. You supply the oil and I'll supply de manpower.

I went to see Doctor Knocker Naughton who is a dear old boy, one of yer own and a gent to boot, I'm particularly fond of him because if you say his name with the right tempo it sounds like the intro for "Honkey Tonk Women".

He sat me down and said "Right Philip, let's have a wee look at these results then. Oh! As far back as August was it?"

"Well I've been busy!" says I (in truth I just didn't want to rush it, you know?)

"Well, better late...." he trails off "Glucose good, Cholesterol spot on, kidneys fine, liver..... phhhhh...." at which point his eyebrows disappear into his hairline, this in no mean feat as Dr Naughton has a lot of face to wash if you get my drift?

"Well Philip, would you have had a drink the night before your tests, do you remember?"

Well I was always brought up not to lie, and especially not to quacks as it can have bad side effects, like death. So as he fixes me with his steely gaze and says nowt, I starts to panic ever such a little. I'm hoping he hasn't caught sight of the bead of sweat that's just broken out on me forehead, or spotted the sudden claret skintone my mush has adopted when I have a flash of brilliance, I dish up a curve ball.

"Ha, does Judith Chalmers shoite in a suitcase Doc?" I asked thus bamboozling him for almost an entire nanosecond.

"I've never really thought about it" he retorts "but you'll be back for another blood test next week."

The sneaky busterd tried to book me in for Monday morning, Monday morning! After a Heineken Cup weekend! I'm not having that so I say "Sorry Doc, Monday's not a good day for me."

"Hmmmm" he said sucking the end of his pen, "cleaning Judith Chalmers' suitcases are we?"

Took the wind right out of my feckin sails.

I managed to blag it out till Thursday at 10:35, so as from Monday morning I'm going dry for three whole feckin days and that hasn't happened since I was 12.

They'd better have their game down tight on Thursday though, cause I doubt I'll be in the right frame of mind to be kept waiting. Clever feckers. boxing

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:30 pm

Earthflight coming up in 30 mins! Dont miss it, Lucky.

by Rava Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:30 pm

Kiwireddevil wrote:Frantic check of emails from SG, phew, picked Ulster by 3. Xmas card list appears intact

Ulster were marginal favourites on Oddschecker. And while my policy of always* picking the bookies' favourites doesn't always come off, in the long run ...

*except for those weeks where I forget to do my picks or if I can't bookies

Kiwi

That's All

by MrsP Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:31 pm

"He's played FOURTEEN times for Wales U20 "

And 13 of those times had no bearing on which senior side he can represent!

I don't think the top tier nations should be allowed to tie anyone with an U20 cap.

There are very many lads given U20 honours who never get anywhere near a full international or "A" cap.

It's not so much that they are too young to make their decision, but more that the net is cast too wide at U20s.

The lads who were caught in a similar situation last year, Loxton and Jarvis????(might have totally made up those names) were capped at U 20 and then struggled to even get contracts with their region. It just seems wrong to tie so many youngsters by virtue of not bothering to have a proper A side.

The rule is rubbish but I think Wales could have let it go. This way no-one wins.

by Cymroglan Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:35 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Cymroglan wrote:If he wants to play for another country then he should not have made himself available to Wales for that particular match.
It's just the same as a young lad playing for Ireland A if he goes on the field then he is tied.
Can't use that rule otherwise it should have applied to Loxton and Jarvis the year before. Feel v disappointed for the young lad

The year before the French U20s was not their designated second team but in 2011 it was.
If Loxton and Jarvis had played against France in 2011 they would be tied to Wales.

by **Notch** Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:36 pm

Penfro, thats ridiculous. A full international cap is different from an U20s cap. North has been capped for Wales. And an A cap.

Basically, it's not senior rugby. And it should not be treated as such, especially when the player in question declined to sign a declaration tying him to Wales with the erroneous belief that this would leave him open to pursue other options at international level. Was he advised if he didn't sign he could?

As the rules stand, Shingler should not be allowed to play for Scotland. Morally, Shingler should be afforded the same right to choose his nation than any of his peers in the Ireland U20s, England U20s, Scotland U20s. It is patently unjust to have one rule for some and a different rule for others.

I suspect the law will be overturned and he will be allowed to play for Scotland because it's not clear that France do or do not have an A side. They entered a team into the Churchill Cup in 2010. Shinglers cap against France U20 took place in 2010.

France reserve the right to enter their A side into competitions within months of their U20 side being designated as their second team? Feicing chancers, I'd say.

The WRUs stance on this is a joke- as indeed is the IRBs. They want to have their cake and eat it. Save money by not having an A team and yet get all the benefits of an A team. France are worse. Actually entering an A team into competitions yet designating their U20s as their second side!

Shingler for Scotland campaign starts here Braveheart

by Cymroglan Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:40 pm

Mrs P it was not up to Wales to let it go the rules are there and if Wales had knowingly let it go then we would have let a ineligible player represent another country and we would have been fined for it

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:41 pm

European Union "restriction of trade" Law will be the one I reckon - they get paid for playing Tests so it's pretty clear the IRB are restricting his ability to work.

This time next year perhaps?

by Cymroglan Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:45 pm

Notch
What rules have the WRU broken. For god sake you tie your players with the A team is there any difference ?
At least for Wales there are only a few games that we can tie players but in your case you have far more opportunities to tie in players.

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:51 pm

I don't see how anyone can blame Wales for this mess, it's down to the IRB for allowing Wales, France, whoever to designate an age grade team as their next senior side.

I would have thought the two definitions were mutually exclusive of each other.

by PenfroPete Thu 12 Jan 2012, 7:54 pm

Steve Shingler - born 20 June 1991. Poor young lad, shouldn't be tied down after not maturing as a rugby player quickly enough for the 1st XV

George North - born13 April 1992. Ah feic him for being too good, too early

Headscratch

We do NOT have an A team (so can't see how Georgie could have an A cap), this IS our designated side and when we play other nations designated sides that counts. We have to protect players that have been developed from being poached.

Can't see "Restraint of Trade" being an issue. Sure like last week I played for Ireland mo chara, but this week I want to play for Wales and they want me to play for them and pay me handsomely, isn't it, look you. After that I believe those fine fellows at HQ want me to play, what, what ? Spiffing old chap

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:01 pm

With. Not @ PJ.

Man, I hate it when they pause. They have your life's info their hands and they pause and go Hmmm or Phhhh. De basterds. (No offence MrsP).

Hope its all good Boss. Positive vibes and flushing mo chara. If you drank a lot the avo before - it will screw the test. So I hope you did.

Earthflight!

by **Notch** Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:03 pm

PJHolybloke wrote:I don't see how anyone can blame Wales for this mess, it's down to the IRB for allowing Wales, France, whoever to designate an age grade team as their next senior side.

I would have thought the two definitions were mutually exclusive of each other.

Exactly. I don't even get how this is a debate.

If it helps I think a player who gets capped for a nation at underage level should be tied to that nation at underage level.

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:04 pm

Pete, don't shoot!!

I think the restriction/restraint of trade may be relevant unless it can be shown that all U20's go on to win full caps?

Shingler has an opportunity to be in the Scotland 6N squad but AFAIK he isn't big on the Wales 1st XV radar as things stand, he isn't contracted by the WRU and yet the IRB rules are preventing him from entering into a contract with SRFU.

I'm no legal beagle but I think it's a case to be answered on a legal basis, the moral basis is somewhat more straightforward I think.

by MrsP Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:08 pm

As I said Penfro, for me it is not about whether the player is too young to make the choice it is that there are too many lads having to make that choice who have no chance of a full international cap.

U20 has the best of probably tow birth years of players.

To get a proper A cap you have to rise to the top of a much much bigger pool of players, SENIOR PLAYERS, and so have already proved that you are capable of a full senior cap.

by Rava Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:08 pm

Notch wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:I don't see how anyone can blame Wales for this mess, it's down to the IRB for allowing Wales, France, whoever to designate an age grade team as their next senior side.

I would have thought the two definitions were mutually exclusive of each other.

Exactly. I don't even get how this is a debate.

If it helps I think a player who gets capped for a nation at underage level should be tied to that nation ~~at underage level~~.

by Cymroglan Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:10 pm

If we want to bring age into it then A sides should not be allowed to play players under 20.
I have not heard anybody say that it was wrong for A sides to tie in youngsters.

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:11 pm

On the Shingler thang. Its quite boring tbh, but, the EU does have a say on this. And, it transcends all others. Ask Bosman.

The whole blame lies with the IRB. They are Rugby's governing body. They, and they alone, are responsible to nail-down strict qualifcation rules with NO loopholes. And the French in this particular case - are a joke.

Sort it out IRB. Make it so. No exceptions.

Or this will get out of hand as the game grows.

by **Notch** Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:13 pm

Imagine the threads if this was about a Samoan/Fijian lad who was capped at U20s level for New Zealand and then wasn't good enough to go any further.

Posters would be screaming poaching from the rooftops if he was denied the chance to represent his nation.

by prop_lyd Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:13 pm

Gibson wrote:Put up yer titts de pair of ye. I mean mitts

Did you just ask me to show you my jubblies?! Should have asked on the weekend Wink

Ah to be fair I've got a new lease of life in my job with my student, she's really enthusiastic and impressed with how i work Yahoo

plus we should be growing as a project!!

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:17 pm

Erm..Prop bud. Just a question on the details there...

Are you and this girl growing as a Project or wot?

Oh man. This is TV at its best!

by prop_lyd Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:18 pm

Haha Gibbo: she's 7 years old than me and engaged so it's just a professional project plus i'm doing ok on that front I think anyway Wink

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:22 pm

You always learn to ride on an old bike son. That's what me dad used to tell me.

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:22 pm

Fair enuf butt.

On the last few words... Ahaaa! heart

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:25 pm

Man I wish I was a bird for a day. Not with boobs... but with feathers.

I could fly over cities and Poopie on bankers.

by MrsP Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:26 pm

PJ,

Should warn you. Only some of the tests reflect alcohol intake within the past few days.

We have ways of knowing you know!!

Whistle

by Glas a du Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:28 pm

Shingler has tried to roll with the punches and has copped a blydi nose. Blydi good job say I. I would be amazed if that sort of behaviour endears him to any Welsh coach, especially since he plays in the Jeff.

by prop_lyd Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:30 pm

PJHolybloke wrote:You always learn to ride on an old bike son. That's what me dad used to tell me.

Aye I know that don't worry!!

Gibson wrote:Fair enuf butt.

On the last few words... Ahaaa!

Just keeps fingers crossed and we'll see!!

by Cymroglan Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:31 pm

Glas it was probably his £ agent £ who messed him up.

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:31 pm

MrsP wrote:PJ,

Should warn you. Only some of the tests reflect alcohol intake within the past few days.

We have ways of knowing you know!!

You'll never take me alive Doc. boxing

To be fair MrsP, I know I drink too much and I need to cut down and take some time off. They always come home to roost don't they?

Clever feckers ya.... boxing

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:33 pm

Yeah MrsP, my doc did the 2 fingers test. On my liver that is. Said if it is down below the rib-cage - it is swollen. They can also check for scarring electronically.

The liver is a remarkable organ. Given the chance, it can renew itself. But, there is a sell-by date if too much damage is done.

If you want any more advice Mrsp. Just PM me.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:34 pm

Gibson wrote:Earthflight coming up in 30 mins! Dont miss it, Lucky.

Too late Gibbo, I've been watching the darts. But hooray for the iPlayer!

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:37 pm

Ooh Lucky man, its a treat. Savour it for later pal.

I want to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnlTrq6wLf0

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:37 pm

Gibson wrote:Yeah MrsP, my doc did the 2 fingers test. On my liver that is. Said if it is down below the rib-cage - it is swollen. They can also check for scarring electronically.

The liver is a remarkable organ. Given the chance, it can renew itself. But, there is a sell-by date if too much damage is done.

If you want any more advice Mrsp. Just PM me.

The last time a Doc. gave me a finger test I had to drop me keks, bad times Shocked

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:38 pm

I hardly knew him, so that made it worse.

by Glas a du Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:38 pm

Cymroglan wrote:Glas it was probably his £ agent £ who messed him up.

Is that the me one who tried to rely on a Gentleman's Agreement with a Frenchman?

by MrsP Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:38 pm

I have to say it hilarious watching folks try to convince us of their "extremely modest" intake of alcohol and that they have stopped the fags "ages ago".

I did once challenge a "frequent flyer" who had not long returned to consciousness from the night before's indulgence, about his claim to have only consumed a pint or possibly 2, with,

"Of what, Vodka?"

by prop_lyd Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:38 pm

PJHolybloke wrote:I hardly knew him, so that made it worse.

And let me guess...he wasn't a real Doctor?

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:41 pm

prop_lyd wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:I hardly knew him, so that made it worse.

And let me guess...he wasn't a real Doctor?

He had a briefcase! How was I to know? Whistle

by Glas a du Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:42 pm

The Geese get to Scotland. And it's raining Laugh

The first rain in three programs!

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:44 pm

MrsP wrote:I have to say it hilarious watching folks try to convince us of their "extremely modest" intake of alcohol and that they have stopped the fags "ages ago".

I did once challenge a "frequent flyer" who had not long returned to consciousness from the night before's indulgence, about his claim to have only consumed a pint or possibly 2, with,

"Of what, Vodka?"

Oh come on MrsP! What's the point of drinking it in halves?

by prop_lyd Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:45 pm

PJHolybloke wrote:
prop_lyd wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:I hardly knew him, so that made it worse.

And let me guess...he wasn't a real Doctor?

He had a briefcase! How was I to know?

The gimp mask should have given it away!!

by Gibson Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:45 pm

For MrsP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx7hJX41J9E

by Glas a du Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:47 pm

"Ospreys are messy eaters. They usually leave a few scraps behind for the Hair-bears"

by PJHolybloke Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:48 pm

prop_lyd wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:
prop_lyd wrote:
PJHolybloke wrote:I hardly knew him, so that made it worse.

And let me guess...he wasn't a real Doctor?

He had a briefcase! How was I to know?

The gimp mask should have given it away!!

Hmmmmm, now you come to mention it.......

by **Ozzy3213** Thu 12 Jan 2012, 8:50 pm

Bonjour pub goers

Heino weekend is almost here Yahoo

IRB Shingler decision is a joke furious

Rugby Club pundits are talking a lot of sense this week Shocked

Hope everyone's well

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