South Africa vs England 2nd Test - Teams and Live match thread

[robshaw4england]

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Edit: Actual squads added to OP for reference
South Africa vs England
2nd test, Ellis Park, Johannesburg (capacity 62,500)

South Africa
Pat Lambie, JP Pietersen, Jean de Villiers (capt), Francois Steyn, Bryan Habana, Morne Steyn, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Juandre Kruger, Eben Etzebeth, Jannie du Plessis, Bismarck du Plessis, Tendai Mtawarira.
Reserves: Adriaan Strauss, Werner Kruger, Flip van der Merwe, Keegan Daniel, Ruan Pienaar, Wynand Olivier, Bjorn Basson.

Only changes are due to injuries to Zane Kirchner and Coenie Oosthuizen - Lambie starts at fullback, with Basson and Kruger on the bench.

Weather: Sunny, should be around 10deg C for kickoff http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/993800


England: 15 Ben Foden (Northampton Saints)
14 Chris Ashton (Northampton Saints)
13 Jonathan Joseph (London Irish)
12 Manusamoa Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
11 David Strettle (Saracens)
10 Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)
1 Joe Marler (Harlequins)
2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
4 Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
5 Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers)
6 Tom Johnson (Exeter Chiefs)
7 Chris Robshaw (capt, Harlequins)
8 Ben Morgan (Scarlets)
Replacements
16 Lee Mears (Bath Rugby)
17 Alex Corbisiero (London Irish)
18 Tom Palmer (Stade Francais)
19 Phil Dowson (Northampton Saints)
20 Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints)
21 Owen Farrell (Saracens)
22 Alex Goode (Saracens)

Tour Previews:
http://www.v2journal.com/the-south-african-perspective-on-englands-summer-tour.html
http://www.v2journal.com/englands-summer-tour.html

15. M.Brown (Quins)
14. C.Ashton (Saints)
13. M.Tuilagi (Leicester)
12. B.Barritt (Saracens)
11. B.Foden (Saints)
10. T.Flood (Leicester)
09. B.Youngs (Leicester)

08. B.Morgan (Gloucester)
07. C.Robshaw (Quins)
06. J.Haskell (Wasps)
05. G.Parling (Leicester)
04. M.Botha (Saracens)
03. D.Cole (Leicester)
02. D.Hartley (Saints)
01. A.Corbisiero (Irish)

16. J.Marler (Quins)
17. J.Gray (Quins)
18. T.Palmer (Wasps)
19. T.Johnson (Exeter)
20. D.Care (Quins)
21. O.Farrell (Saracens)
22. J.Joseph (Irish)

*If Brad Barritt is unable to play next week then I would start Tuilagi at inside and have Joseph at outside, with Turner-Hall or Allen coming onto the bench.

With Flood back at 10, England will be able to exploit his partnership with Youngs and get the best out of our centres in attack. He will also help to bring Foden, Ashton and Brown into the line with his strong passing game. Farrell looked completely out of his depth in attack today.

I'd bring Haskell in for his ball carrying ability and physicality to match the springboks. Johnson impressed me today, however he may suit coming on as an impact sub later in the game.

If Corbisiero is fit and firing I'd start him ahead of Marler simply because of Corbisiero's impressive scrummaging and form in the six nations. Marler went well today, but he is still learning and could make a huge impact off of the bench.

Thoughts?

[GavinDragon]

good game so far for a neutral (ish)

[mystiroakey]

england dont kick for goal!! go for try

[yappysnap]

Didn't see any knock on there...

[FerN]

England deep in Springbok territory now

[mystiroakey]

knock on- errrr. where?

[screamingaddabs]

well done Robshaw, good work on the ground there

[yappysnap]

Brilliant turnover from Robshaw! Lions material definitely.

Great kick from Flood too

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

anyone got a link they can pm me please

[formerly known as Sam]

What have SA been feeding Frans Steyn, he's looking even bigger than last weekend!

[yappysnap]

What does Stettle bring?

He is so pedestrian these days, just runs straight at forwards nowdays.

[mystiroakey]

this game is different league. england need to be more clinical though

[FerN]

Quick thinking there by JP, and good chase by JDV. Looking much better today

[screamingaddabs]

Here comes another bok try by the looks of things. Everytime they get the ball they look lethal!

[yappysnap]

Need a massive scrum here

[FerN]

Morne shouldn't miss this one. Springboks looking really good here.

[yappysnap]

Only 12 points difference, easy.

[formerly known as Sam]

Well the Boks doing a Saints. Standing up when the pressure comes on and blagging a penalty. Come on England, a complete lack of passion at the minute.

All those critising Barritt will be suddenly appreciating what he brings to the side.

[FerN]

Try by Hougaard

[KickAndChase]

Uh oh...

[mystiroakey]

ffs

[yappysnap]

Those SA boys are Flip massive!!

England look like a Saxons side compared to them, it's literally just boys against men at the moment.

[welshy6]

no offence england fans but urm yeh your team look in trouble? i mean S.A look the best team from the SH from the 3 games today.
good luck

[nathan]

this is going to be another man shaming by SA. i really wish they would put an end to the SA players going shoulder first into contact.

[nathan]

no offence england fans but urm yeh your team look in trouble? i mean S.A look the best team from the SH from the 3 games today.
good luck

i agree, we do look in trouble.

[formerly known as Sam]

I don't like to use Botha as a scape goat but that should have been his tackle.

[FerN]

SA almost running from the back now? Seems like a different side.

[timhen]

England in massive trouble, the Boks are really showing their power. The only way England are coming away from this is with their tail between their legs.

[Hood83]

We're out of our depth. Despite what some of the fantasists say, you won't beat SA without dominating them in the forwards. Our pack looks horribly, horribly lightweight and until we realise that players like Garvey, genuine ball-carriers, need to be tried at this level, we're kidding ourselves.

Parling, Hartley, Cole, Botha,...they're all fine players, they're just not quite good enough against this level of opposition.

Is this going to be a hammering?

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

The tackle success rate for englands forwards in both games has been woeful. It makes it pretty easy for SA when they know they just have to run at the nearest forward

[yappysnap]

Completely illegal turn over by JDV never releases and never gets on side

[welshy6]

what did the boks have for breakfast?

[nathan]

We're out of our depth. Despite what some of the fantasists say, you won't beat SA without dominating them in the forwards. Our pack looks horribly, horribly lightweight and until we realise that players like Garvey, genuine ball-carriers, need to be tried at this level, we're kidding ourselves.

Parling, Hartley, Cole, Botha,...they're all fine players, they're just not quite good enough against this level of opposition.

Is this going to be a hammering?

it is going to be a hammering, but i wouldnt be too hard on England. SA would be doing this to any team in the world.

[FerN]

England get a try, good one at that.

[nathan]

Would Farrell of done that?

[formerly known as Sam]

Ben Youngs is Engands best players so far. That's a nice change from last weekend.

[yappysnap]

Boo Ya!

Well done boys!

And that's why Farrel should never be near this side!

[welshy6]

i say that and england get a try.
urm england fans can we borrow youngs off you?

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Would Farrell of done that?

Can you kick a try?

[yappysnap]

Ben Youngs is Engands best players so far. That's a nice change from last weekend.

Him and Flood have already done more then Dickson/Farrel in all of their games.

SL has a lot to answer for not playing them sooner.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

i say that and england get a try.
urm england fans can we borrow youngs off you?

only if we can get north back and borrow your tackling coach

[welshy6]

i say that and england get a try.
urm england fans can we borrow youngs off you?

only if we can get north back and borrow your tackling coach

north back.. you cheeky sod
you can borrow howley? permanetly?

[yappysnap]

Who is the defence coach for England btw as Farrel isn't there?

[formerly known as Sam]

It would be nice if the ref would stop the Boks going off their feet at every ruck in order to stop England challenging.

[FerN]

Drop goal by Morne. Looks like JP is injured. Not good for the boks, he was looking good.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Ben Youngs is Engands best players so far. That's a nice change from last weekend.

Him and Flood have already done more then Dickson/Farrel in all of their games.

SL has a lot to answer for not playing them sooner.

To be fair though its like saying snot is the nicest body fluid to have poured into your mouth.
This is more like a barbarians game, actually its more like the vast majority of england summer tour matches post 2003...except this time they tried to send a strong side

[Looseheaded]

this is going to be another man shaming by SA. i really wish they would put an end to the SA players going shoulder first into contact.

Considering Manu is most effective by leading with his forearms to the face I'd avoid complaining about their carrying.

[yappysnap]

Knock on surely!!

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Who is the defence coach for England btw as Farrel isn't there?

mike catt judging by the number of missed tackles

[nathan]

this is going to be another man shaming by SA. i really wish they would put an end to the SA players going shoulder first into contact.

Considering Manu is most effective by leading with his forearms to the face I'd avoid complaining about their carrying.

lol, he's no where near as bad as each SA forward!!

[FerN]

Attacking line for the boks.

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