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South Africa vs England 2nd Test - Teams and Live match thread
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15. M.Brown (Quins)
14. C.Ashton (Saints)
13. M.Tuilagi (Leicester)
12. B.Barritt (Saracens)
11. B.Foden (Saints)
10. T.Flood (Leicester)
09. B.Youngs (Leicester)
08. B.Morgan (Gloucester)
07. C.Robshaw (Quins)
06. J.Haskell (Wasps)
05. G.Parling (Leicester)
04. M.Botha (Saracens)
03. D.Cole (Leicester)
02. D.Hartley (Saints)
01. A.Corbisiero (Irish)
16. J.Marler (Quins)
17. J.Gray (Quins)
18. T.Palmer (Wasps)
19. T.Johnson (Exeter)
20. D.Care (Quins)
21. O.Farrell (Saracens)
22. J.Joseph (Irish)
*If Brad Barritt is unable to play next week then I would start Tuilagi at inside and have Joseph at outside, with Turner-Hall or Allen coming onto the bench.
With Flood back at 10, England will be able to exploit his partnership with Youngs and get the best out of our centres in attack. He will also help to bring Foden, Ashton and Brown into the line with his strong passing game. Farrell looked completely out of his depth in attack today.
I'd bring Haskell in for his ball carrying ability and physicality to match the springboks. Johnson impressed me today, however he may suit coming on as an impact sub later in the game.
If Corbisiero is fit and firing I'd start him ahead of Marler simply because of Corbisiero's impressive scrummaging and form in the six nations. Marler went well today, but he is still learning and could make a huge impact off of the bench.
Thoughts?
Edit: Actual squads added to OP for reference
South Africa vs England
2nd test, Ellis Park, Johannesburg (capacity 62,500)
South Africa
Pat Lambie, JP Pietersen, Jean de Villiers (capt), Francois Steyn, Bryan Habana, Morne Steyn, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Juandre Kruger, Eben Etzebeth, Jannie du Plessis, Bismarck du Plessis, Tendai Mtawarira.
Reserves: Adriaan Strauss, Werner Kruger, Flip van der Merwe, Keegan Daniel, Ruan Pienaar, Wynand Olivier, Bjorn Basson.
Only changes are due to injuries to Zane Kirchner and Coenie Oosthuizen - Lambie starts at fullback, with Basson and Kruger on the bench.
Weather: Sunny, should be around 10deg C for kickoff http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/993800
England: 15 Ben Foden (Northampton Saints)
14 Chris Ashton (Northampton Saints)
13 Jonathan Joseph (London Irish)
12 Manusamoa Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
11 David Strettle (Saracens)
10 Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)
1 Joe Marler (Harlequins)
2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
4 Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
5 Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers)
6 Tom Johnson (Exeter Chiefs)
7 Chris Robshaw (capt, Harlequins)
8 Ben Morgan (Scarlets)
Replacements
16 Lee Mears (Bath Rugby)
17 Alex Corbisiero (London Irish)
18 Tom Palmer (Stade Francais)
19 Phil Dowson (Northampton Saints)
20 Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints)
21 Owen Farrell (Saracens)
22 Alex Goode (Saracens)
Tour Previews:
http://www.v2journal.com/the-south-african-perspective-on-englands-summer-tour.html
http://www.v2journal.com/englands-summer-tour.html
15. M.Brown (Quins)
14. C.Ashton (Saints)
13. M.Tuilagi (Leicester)
12. B.Barritt (Saracens)
11. B.Foden (Saints)
10. T.Flood (Leicester)
09. B.Youngs (Leicester)
08. B.Morgan (Gloucester)
07. C.Robshaw (Quins)
06. J.Haskell (Wasps)
05. G.Parling (Leicester)
04. M.Botha (Saracens)
03. D.Cole (Leicester)
02. D.Hartley (Saints)
01. A.Corbisiero (Irish)
16. J.Marler (Quins)
17. J.Gray (Quins)
18. T.Palmer (Wasps)
19. T.Johnson (Exeter)
20. D.Care (Quins)
21. O.Farrell (Saracens)
22. J.Joseph (Irish)
*If Brad Barritt is unable to play next week then I would start Tuilagi at inside and have Joseph at outside, with Turner-Hall or Allen coming onto the bench.
With Flood back at 10, England will be able to exploit his partnership with Youngs and get the best out of our centres in attack. He will also help to bring Foden, Ashton and Brown into the line with his strong passing game. Farrell looked completely out of his depth in attack today.
I'd bring Haskell in for his ball carrying ability and physicality to match the springboks. Johnson impressed me today, however he may suit coming on as an impact sub later in the game.
If Corbisiero is fit and firing I'd start him ahead of Marler simply because of Corbisiero's impressive scrummaging and form in the six nations. Marler went well today, but he is still learning and could make a huge impact off of the bench.
Thoughts?
robshaw4england- Posts : 248
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ooh, its the hope that killing me
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damngoodOvalball wrote:mystiroakey wrote:time to watch the cricket
Going well but rained off. Try the golf
golfs on all night pal
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FerN I'm not sure about that, Hougaard looks like he just goes over Youngs whos placing and plays the ball, holds it for a few seconds than pops.
However if Hougaard does have the pill, the SA players have still gone off their feet, and the ball has been placed and then popped... both offences!
However if Hougaard does have the pill, the SA players have still gone off their feet, and the ball has been placed and then popped... both offences!
thebluesmancometh- Posts : 8358
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mystiroakey wrote:what a performance by england- luving this
Ja, good fight back by England.
Juandre still on the ground. I think he got the way of Etzebeth in that high tackle incident.
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FerN wrote:mystiroakey wrote:what a performance by england- luving this
Ja, good fight back by England.
Juandre still on the ground. I think he got the way of Etzebeth in that high tackle incident.
never like to see anyone go off injured.
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Vickery won you the world cup.. On his own.
Is how I'd like to pretend it was.
Is how I'd like to pretend it was.
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They are, I admit, smashing that bock scrum a little for a moment.
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I know he's got his haters (primarily down to his origins) but Waldrom has looked better than Morgan since he's come on.
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England seem the stronger side this half, the boks no where as dominant as the first half.
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And I cursed him.
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trebellbobaggins wrote:Vickery won you the world cup.. On his own.
Is how I'd like to pretend it was.
Nah, twas Woodman aswell.
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timhen wrote:I know he's got his haters (primarily down to his origins) but Waldrom has looked better than Morgan since he's come on.
other than that knock-on
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Boks look like they are tiring! It's up to the management team to make the call now...
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binding on the arm, should of been a pen to england.
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That is never a Bok pen there! He has a much better body angle in that scrum and it's only one side dropping that looking for a pen!
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nathan wrote:binding on the arm, should of been a pen to england.
Yes should have been.
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Lols they miss- silly bokies
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mystiroakey wrote:Lols they miss- silly bokies
Silly Morne, 8 points missed by him thus far.
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3rd tight game of the day...
Anyone want to bet wich way it'll be go?!
Anyone want to bet wich way it'll be go?!
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COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!
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SA gone to sleep, its here for england
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FerN wrote:mystiroakey wrote:Lols they miss- silly bokies
Silly Morne, 8 points missed by him thus far.
what's happening to him, does he have spells of missing?
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Rolland is full of it! Corbs is not getting in there quick enough meaning the Bok bind is on the arm... BULLSHIP!!!
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trebellbobaggins wrote:Vickery won you the world cup.. On his own.
Is how I'd like to pretend it was.
Won ME a World Cup? Check my location. All Vickery did for me was in that Lions tour. A pretty negative contribution.
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JP gets a super try, sets it up and finishes it
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did youngs have his hands underneath that? :p
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nathan wrote:did youngs have his hands underneath that? :p
No he didn't
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FerN wrote:nathan wrote:did youngs have his hands underneath that? :p
No he didn't
correct!
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What a exiting day of rugby.
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Lovely try by JP, he deserves that!
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10 points missed by Morne now, I want Peter Grant. Bring in Peter Grant.
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Poor decision making. England went from threatening to score to handing them a try.
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Good finish.
A lest eng fought back I guess,
I heard boks saying it would be 50 this week as they were settled and several levels above now, maybe not, looking forward to seeing them up here now.
A lest eng fought back I guess,
I heard boks saying it would be 50 this week as they were settled and several levels above now, maybe not, looking forward to seeing them up here now.
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Hougaard knock on... Rolland wants more from SA
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arr well- even in the loss i am happy- england made a great match of this.
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Of course he does. It's amazing how close it is really.
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I've got to stop getting so effing angry, with the ref, with stupid kicking from England, with the whole frustrating spectacle.
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OOOO Rolland saw that one!
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Wouldn't have been far off 50 if steyn hadn't missed so many kicks
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Not a good first touch for your career...
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why have all our subs come on? For what possible purpose?
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Better attitude from England in the 2nd half, but how much is that due to SA being complacent and throwing on the bench.
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nice show of sportsmanship there by a bok coach. Laughing...
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I NEVER WANT TO SEE ADRIAAN STRAUSS IN A BOK JERSEY again!!!! Biltong do you now agree Bismarck is the best in the world and should not be replaced? you're constantly saying Adriaan strauss is better but he's been utter shyte , springbok scrum has been crap ever since he came on
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Well done SA- you were way to powerfull at the start- Not sure how we turned that around and made a game of it!!
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Smug saffa coaches there.
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Well done SA, you deserved the win despite the poor reffing. England seem to get better (or was it SA getting complacent)?
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