South Africa vs England 2nd Test - Teams and Live match thread

by robshaw4england Sat 09 Jun 2012, 7:49 pm

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Edit: Actual squads added to OP for reference
South Africa vs England
2nd test, Ellis Park, Johannesburg (capacity 62,500)

South Africa
Pat Lambie, JP Pietersen, Jean de Villiers (capt), Francois Steyn, Bryan Habana, Morne Steyn, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Juandre Kruger, Eben Etzebeth, Jannie du Plessis, Bismarck du Plessis, Tendai Mtawarira.
Reserves: Adriaan Strauss, Werner Kruger, Flip van der Merwe, Keegan Daniel, Ruan Pienaar, Wynand Olivier, Bjorn Basson.

Only changes are due to injuries to Zane Kirchner and Coenie Oosthuizen - Lambie starts at fullback, with Basson and Kruger on the bench.

Weather: Sunny, should be around 10deg C for kickoff http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/993800

England: 15 Ben Foden (Northampton Saints)
14 Chris Ashton (Northampton Saints)
13 Jonathan Joseph (London Irish)
12 Manusamoa Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
11 David Strettle (Saracens)
10 Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)
1 Joe Marler (Harlequins)
2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
4 Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
5 Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers)
6 Tom Johnson (Exeter Chiefs)
7 Chris Robshaw (capt, Harlequins)
8 Ben Morgan (Scarlets)
Replacements
16 Lee Mears (Bath Rugby)
17 Alex Corbisiero (London Irish)
18 Tom Palmer (Stade Francais)
19 Phil Dowson (Northampton Saints)
20 Lee Dickson (Northampton Saints)
21 Owen Farrell (Saracens)
22 Alex Goode (Saracens)

Tour Previews:
http://www.v2journal.com/the-south-african-perspective-on-englands-summer-tour.html
http://www.v2journal.com/englands-summer-tour.html

15. M.Brown (Quins)
14. C.Ashton (Saints)
13. M.Tuilagi (Leicester)
12. B.Barritt (Saracens)
11. B.Foden (Saints)
10. T.Flood (Leicester)
09. B.Youngs (Leicester)

08. B.Morgan (Gloucester)
07. C.Robshaw (Quins)
06. J.Haskell (Wasps)
05. G.Parling (Leicester)
04. M.Botha (Saracens)
03. D.Cole (Leicester)
02. D.Hartley (Saints)
01. A.Corbisiero (Irish)

16. J.Marler (Quins)
17. J.Gray (Quins)
18. T.Palmer (Wasps)
19. T.Johnson (Exeter)
20. D.Care (Quins)
21. O.Farrell (Saracens)
22. J.Joseph (Irish)

*If Brad Barritt is unable to play next week then I would start Tuilagi at inside and have Joseph at outside, with Turner-Hall or Allen coming onto the bench.

With Flood back at 10, England will be able to exploit his partnership with Youngs and get the best out of our centres in attack. He will also help to bring Foden, Ashton and Brown into the line with his strong passing game. Farrell looked completely out of his depth in attack today.

I'd bring Haskell in for his ball carrying ability and physicality to match the springboks. Johnson impressed me today, however he may suit coming on as an impact sub later in the game.

If Corbisiero is fit and firing I'd start him ahead of Marler simply because of Corbisiero's impressive scrummaging and form in the six nations. Marler went well today, but he is still learning and could make a huge impact off of the bench.

Thoughts?

by mattygoat Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:26 pm

ooh, its the hope that killing me

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:26 pm

damngoodOvalball wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:time to watch the cricket

Going well but rained off. Try the golf

golfs on all night pal

by thebluesmancometh Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:27 pm

FerN I'm not sure about that, Hougaard looks like he just goes over Youngs whos placing and plays the ball, holds it for a few seconds than pops.

However if Hougaard does have the pill, the SA players have still gone off their feet, and the ball has been placed and then popped... both offences!

by FerN Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:27 pm

mystiroakey wrote:what a performance by england- luving this

Ja, good fight back by England.

Juandre still on the ground. I think he got the way of Etzebeth in that high tackle incident.

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:28 pm

FerN wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:what a performance by england- luving this

Ja, good fight back by England.

Juandre still on the ground. I think he got the way of Etzebeth in that high tackle incident.

never like to see anyone go off injured.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:28 pm

Vickery won you the world cup.. On his own.

Is how I'd like to pretend it was.

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:29 pm

come on england!

by trebellbobaggins Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:30 pm

They are, I admit, smashing that bock scrum a little for a moment.

by timhen Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:30 pm

I know he's got his haters (primarily down to his origins) but Waldrom has looked better than Morgan since he's come on.

by FerN Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:31 pm

England seem the stronger side this half, the boks no where as dominant as the first half.

by timhen Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:31 pm

And I cursed him.

by Dubbelyew L Overate Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:32 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Vickery won you the world cup.. On his own.

Is how I'd like to pretend it was.

Nah, twas Woodman aswell.

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:32 pm

timhen wrote:I know he's got his haters (primarily down to his origins) but Waldrom has looked better than Morgan since he's come on.

other than that knock-on

by thebluesmancometh Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:32 pm

Boks look like they are tiring! It's up to the management team to make the call now...

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:32 pm

binding on the arm, should of been a pen to england.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:33 pm

That is never a Bok pen there! He has a much better body angle in that scrum and it's only one side dropping that looking for a pen!

by FerN Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:33 pm

nathan wrote:binding on the arm, should of been a pen to england.

Yes should have been.

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:34 pm

Lols they miss- silly bokies

by FerN Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:35 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Lols they miss- silly bokies

Silly Morne, 8 points missed by him thus far.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:35 pm

3rd tight game of the day...

Anyone want to bet wich way it'll be go?!

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:35 pm

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!

by Lord Sprey Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:35 pm

SA gone to sleep, its here for england

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:36 pm

FerN wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Lols they miss- silly bokies

Silly Morne, 8 points missed by him thus far.

what's happening to him, does he have spells of missing?

by thebluesmancometh Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:36 pm

Rolland is full of it! Corbs is not getting in there quick enough meaning the Bok bind is on the arm... BULLSHIP!!!

by gelodge Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:38 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Vickery won you the world cup.. On his own.

Is how I'd like to pretend it was.

Won ME a World Cup? Check my location. All Vickery did for me was in that Lions tour. A pretty negative contribution.

by FerN Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:39 pm

JP gets a super try, sets it up and finishes it

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:39 pm

did youngs have his hands underneath that? :p

by FerN Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:39 pm

nathan wrote:did youngs have his hands underneath that? :p

No he didn't

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

FerN wrote:
nathan wrote:did youngs have his hands underneath that? :p

No he didn't

correct!

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

ARGGGG

by Cymroglan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

What a exiting day of rugby.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

Lovely try by JP, he deserves that!

by FerN Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:41 pm

10 points missed by Morne now, I want Peter Grant. Bring in Peter Grant.

by timhen Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:41 pm

Poor decision making. England went from threatening to score to handing them a try.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:41 pm

Good finish.

A lest eng fought back I guess,

I heard boks saying it would be 50 this week as they were settled and several levels above now, maybe not, looking forward to seeing them up here now.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:43 pm

Hougaard knock on... Rolland wants more from SA

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:43 pm

KNOCK ON!!!!!

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:43 pm

arr well- even in the loss i am happy- england made a great match of this.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:43 pm

Of course he does. It's amazing how close it is really.

by aitchw Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:43 pm

I've got to stop getting so effing angry, with the ref, with stupid kicking from England, with the whole frustrating spectacle.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

OOOO Rolland saw that one!

by Lord Sprey Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

Wouldn't have been far off 50 if steyn hadn't missed so many kicks

by FerN Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

Not a good first touch for your career...

by screamingaddabs Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

why have all our subs come on? For what possible purpose?

by timhen Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

Better attitude from England in the 2nd half, but how much is that due to SA being complacent and throwing on the bench.

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:46 pm

nice show of sportsmanship there by a bok coach. Laughing...

by Bullsbok Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:46 pm

I NEVER WANT TO SEE ADRIAAN STRAUSS IN A BOK JERSEY again!!!! Biltong do you now agree Bismarck is the best in the world and should not be replaced? you're constantly saying Adriaan strauss is better but he's been utter shyte , springbok scrum has been crap ever since he came on

by mystiroakey Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Well done SA- you were way to powerfull at the start- Not sure how we turned that around and made a game of it!!

by trebellbobaggins Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Smug saffa coaches there.

by nathan Sat 16 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Well done SA, you deserved the win despite the poor reffing. England seem to get better (or was it SA getting complacent)?

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