Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[Diggers]

First topic message reminder :

Of course there are shades of grey but ultimately nobody can be sent to jail for saying they would like to kiddy fiddle but won't as it's illegal and cannot include consent by definition.
They go to jail when they break the law by looking at images or worse acts. So what do you do, change the laws ? Having an open debate won't change the laws, it will still come down to the same thing.
So whether they are deemed evil by society or not is ultimately fairly irrelevant as far as I can see. The end game remains the same.

[GunsGerms]

There have been countless people or articles that have accused Armstrong of doping over the years though nothing has come of it until hopefully now. For anyone interested the below link lists all the articles and accusations printed about Armstrong over the years:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/index-of-lance-armstrong-doping-allegations-over-the-years

[JAS]

Like I said I'm just utterly gobsmacked that if true (and from the sheer weight of numbers queuing up to stick the knife in and from such a variety of places it does become almost impossible to think otherwise) that the authorities were either unwilling or unable to deal with it way way earlier.

Was it because his story was so incredible in the first place that everyone wanted him to be clean and buried their heads in the sand? Hell was the whole "at deaths door with testicular cancer" all a bit of a fabrication/exaggeration too?

[McLaren]

"Hell was the whole "at deaths door with testicular cancer" all a bit of a fabrication/exaggeration too? "

I am no doctor, but I reckon brain and lung cancer are enough to make you think about getting a will in order.

On a serious not you would think being that ill might make someone consider the importance of health, and not pump un-tested drugs into your body 24/7 365 days a year? I bet increased risk of cancer was a side effect of many of the drugs he took.

[navyblueshorts]

...Hell was the whole "at deaths door with testicular cancer" all a bit of a fabrication/exaggeration too?

Gut feeling? Yes, I suspect it was. FWIW, testicular cancer is generally very responsive to chemotherapy. I don't remember the specifics of his case but an awful lot was made of it when it's actually pretty survivable as a cancer goes.
Basically, he got over testicular cancer (as loads of other men do) and went back to his day job (as loads of other men do). Forgive me, but I'm not sure that's worthy of the headlines it's been given over the years.

[GunsGerms]

Like I said I'm just utterly gobsmacked that if true (and from the sheer weight of numbers queuing up to stick the knife in and from such a variety of places it does become almost impossible to think otherwise) that the authorities were either unwilling or unable to deal with it way way earlier.

Was it because his story was so incredible in the first place that everyone wanted him to be clean and buried their heads in the sand? Hell was the whole "at deaths door with testicular cancer" all a bit of a fabrication/exaggeration too?

It was because to so many Armstrong was such an icon and a hero for a few reasons:

His battle with cancer.
His success, so many TdF wins
He set up and maintains the biggest charitable foundation of all time. It is incredibly sucessful.

Many people didnt want to believe it was true. There were also many people that didnt want to speak out against him because they themselves werent squeaky clean themselves. The cycling federations themselves probably have things to hide. You cant take someone down if they can take you with them.

[incontinentia]

Navy- it spread to his brain and lungs. In his book he said he was given 5% chance of survival, maybe that's an exaggeration but he had to have brain surgery so it wasn't just a case of standard testicular cancer.

[GunsGerms]

...Hell was the whole "at deaths door with testicular cancer" all a bit of a fabrication/exaggeration too?

Gut feeling? Yes, I suspect it was. FWIW, testicular cancer is generally very responsive to chemotherapy. I don't remember the specifics of his case but an awful lot was made of it when it's actually pretty survivable as a cancer goes.
Basically, he got over testicular cancer (as loads of other men do) and went back to his day job (as loads of other men do). Forgive me, but I'm not sure that's worthy of the headlines it's been given over the years.

I agree. If anything it probably gave him an edge with regards to sitting on a saddle for a career.

[navyblueshorts]

...but I reckon brain and lung cancer are enough to make you think about getting a will in order...

Ah, but that's where I think the creative writing may be coming in. According to Cancer Research UKs statistics, there's a 95% chance of survival beyond 10 years post-diagnosis. Even in men whose testicular cancer has metastasised and who have a 'poor' prognosis, almost 50% survive beyond 5 years.
In fact, the more one looks at this, the more I think this is embellished. If only we could see medical evidence....no, wait, that's confidential. What a surprise.

[navyblueshorts]

I don't buy it incontinetia. "He said in his book....". Well, we know what he's like when it comes to the truth don't we? As medical records are confidential, I don't suppose it's verifiable now is it?

[McLaren]

Who's scandal would you least prefer happen to you;

Tiger Woods
Jimmy Saville
Lance Armstrong

?

[GunsGerms]

Saville obviously. Then Lance then Tiger.

[navyblueshorts]

...The cycling federations themselves probably have things to hide. You cant take someone down if they can take you with them.

That's an interesting to follow in the future I reckon. Some of USADA's findings talk about payments to UCI I think. I bet there's a few current and former people in cycling's governing bodies who're wetting themselves - if Armstrong is finally, incontrovertibly exposed, I wouldn't give a rat's arse for them remaining untouched.

[Doon the Water]

Quite a funny one on Radio 5 the other day when a guy was defending Armstrong saying, to this day he has never failed a drugs test.

The other guy said that it was a bit like saying that there was no forensic evidence in a burgled house but 26 people had seen the criminal climbing out the window with a telly in his arms.

[navyblueshorts]

Who's scandal would you least prefer happen to you;

Tiger Woods
Jimmy Saville
Lance Armstrong

?

Woods' problems would be the preferable option I reckon. Armstrong's pretty bad and Savile, if true, is about as bad as it gets.

[navyblueshorts]

Quite a funny one on Radio 5 the other day when a guy was defending Armstrong saying, to this day he has never failed a drugs test.

The other guy said that it was a bit like saying that there was no forensic evidence in a burgled house but 26 people had seen the criminal climbing out the window with a telly in his arms.

Quite. Given what's being suggested about the testing regimes, payments, outright lying, avoiding the testers etc etc, it's hardly a good defence is it?

[GunsGerms]

Armstrong has failed a drugs test. The governing body just accepted his back dated perscription as a valid excuse and therefore wasnt sanctioned.

They dont do drugs tests in cycling just iq tests.

[McLaren]

OK, lets make it a little harder.

Is it easier to sleep at night if you are tony bush (pick whichever one you want) or jimmy saville?

[GunsGerms]

Who's Tony Bush? I'd say Jimmy Saville sleeps very well at night given that he is deceased.

[navyblueshorts]

Who's Tony Bush?

[super_realist]

I imagine Saville sleeps very well now he's dead.

[navyblueshorts]

Who's Tony Bush? I'd say Jimmy Saville sleeps very well at night given that he is deceased.

[navyblueshorts]

Ah. Tony Bush == a Hell-spawned evil offspring of Tony Blair and George Bush?

[GunsGerms]

Is he a hybrid of Tony Blair and George Bush?

[navyblueshorts]

If so, I'd imagine they sleep well. They were "on a mission from God" as I recall so I expect they feel fine. Personally, I hope they are consumed with guilt every night but somehow I doubt it.

[McLaren]

As I said, pick one of them. Either Bush or Tony blair. Hardly rocket science guys.

[navyblueshorts]

Armstrong has failed a drugs test. The governing body just accepted his back dated perscription as a valid excuse and therefore wasnt sanctioned.

They dont do drugs tests in cycling just iq tests.

Interestingly, there's a suggestion that prescription was fraudulent now I think.

[McLaren]

Does lance armstrong really exist?

[GunsGerms]

As I said, pick one of them. Either Bush or Tony blair. Hardly rocket science guys.

Use commas.

[super_realist]

Sounds like you might be on drugs too mac.

[McLaren]

As I said, pick one of them. Either Bush or Tony blair. Hardly rocket science guys.

Use commas.

Don’t come on here you cheeky wee taig and start picking holes in grammar. Where exactly did a miss a comma anyway?

[GunsGerms]

Taig is a sectarian term isnt it?

[McLaren]

It is another name for a leprechauns.

[GunsGerms]

It is another name for a leprechauns.

"a leprechauns"?

Serious question. Are you drunk?

[McLaren]

A little.

[GunsGerms]

Armstrong has failed a drugs test. The governing body just accepted his back dated perscription as a valid excuse and therefore wasnt sanctioned.

They dont do drugs tests in cycling just iq tests.

Interestingly, there's a suggestion that prescription was fraudulent now I think.

I know. Diego Maradona was kicked out of the 1994 world cup for less.

[GunsGerms]

A little.

Figured alright. Wouldnt mind a few myself to be honest. To answer your question I'd prefer to be either Tony Blair or George Bush than Jimmy Saville because poor old Jimmy if he was alive would probably be ostracised or in jail. Blair & Bush will probably live very comfortable lives for the rest of their days.

[super_realist]

I'm beginning to suspect that Mac is another maverick with an elaborate pack of lies behind him.

Drinking in the afternoon on a Friday.

[McLaren]

Super

ehh?

[incontinentia]

So gunsgerms, you think Ireland can beat the nazi's tonight?

Mac, I would be drinking too if i just cashed my welfare cheque.

[goldwolf]

Like I say, drugs that help a player control emotions and nerves to control pressure, like Beta Blockers or ones that improve concentration.

Indeed they can, prescription medicine such as beta blockers and codeine have an effect on the nervous system that can pretty much block out all nervous feelings. fairly useful in golf I reckon!

[navyblueshorts]

So gunsgerms, you think Ireland can beat the nazi's tonight?

Mac, I would be drinking too if i just cashed my welfare cheque.

Interesting choice of phrase. Pretty inappropriate I would have thought. Eamon de Valera anyone?

[incontinentia]

Relax navy, if it wasn't for the germans we wouldn't have an economy right now. 5-0 to the hun at the moment anyway so the question is moot at this point.

Don't hear you complaining when the Irish are being lampooned.

[navyblueshorts]

I'm relaxed - two Long Island Iced Teas and some wine have seen to that. Just fishing for a bite... .

[JAS]

San miguels after a nightmare journey on M5. In Newquay now and 8.24 tee time at Trevose might be a challenge :-/

[kwinigolfer]

JAS,
Good luck this weekend, Congrat's on the Captain's gig . . . . .
Cheers,

[GunsGerms]

Hey mac ya leprechauns ya there?

[JAS]

Cheers Kwini, looking forward to both immensely

[mystiroakey]

Like I say, drugs that help a player control emotions and nerves to control pressure, like Beta Blockers or ones that improve concentration.

Indeed they can, prescription medicine such as beta blockers and codeine have an effect on the nervous system that can pretty much block out all nervous feelings. fairly useful in golf I reckon!

I can vouch that it can help,But i have recent experience.. just come back from playing hardelot with a 2 day trip to holland before. lager, thai weed and funnily enough betta blockers(pescription) and codene(pain from night before. I shot 16 points day 1- the worst score i ever have in my life- but then i couldnt feel my body!

[McLaren]

I offer a million pounds for anyone who can watch this without ending up in hysterics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbR2ksb-x2g

Maybe the funniest youtube video ever?


I could barely breath after watching it.

[mystiroakey]

Who is forced into watching strickly come dancing?

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