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Of course there are shades of grey but ultimately nobody can be sent to jail for saying they would like to kiddy fiddle but won't as it's illegal and cannot include consent by definition.
They go to jail when they break the law by looking at images or worse acts. So what do you do, change the laws ? Having an open debate won't change the laws, it will still come down to the same thing.
So whether they are deemed evil by society or not is ultimately fairly irrelevant as far as I can see. The end game remains the same.
Of course there are shades of grey but ultimately nobody can be sent to jail for saying they would like to kiddy fiddle but won't as it's illegal and cannot include consent by definition.
They go to jail when they break the law by looking at images or worse acts. So what do you do, change the laws ? Having an open debate won't change the laws, it will still come down to the same thing.
So whether they are deemed evil by society or not is ultimately fairly irrelevant as far as I can see. The end game remains the same.
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Well taxes are lower in the US, stuff is cheaper and weather is better. In terms of disposable income and quality of living I think most of us on this board would make a better living in the US, regardless of who runs the thing.
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pedro wrote:gael, Romney still got 49% of the votes. So not completely off in his politics one should think? And although Obama is more European-like in his demeanour, he didn't get much done in the last 4 years. Also a bit too much smooth talk there imo. What happened to Ross Perot ?
I disagree. I just think, traditionally, there has been a much larger hardcore republican voting sector. Democratic support has always been a bit more fluid and yet, even with a seemingly lacklustre president at their helm, the democrats still managed to get that second term. I think that speak volumes for a fundamental change taking place in the american psyche.
The simple truth is, the republicans are going to have to ditch their tea party philosophy and wake up to the fact that times have moved on or it risks turning into an anachronism ... if it hasn't already.
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Mac- how exactly does priceline work? cant figure it out. do you not know the exact hotel you are staying until until after youve committed to it?
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McLaren wrote:Super, are you a complete idiot. You would be cheering if you had just dodged the bullet of having your country run by mitt Romney and a republican majority in the house.
mysti
The whole point of using priceline is to get 4/5 star hotels for well less than $300 a night.
have a look for me- coz i have looked everywhere!
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hend
You dont know the hotel or whether your offer will be accepted, which is a little different from hotwire where at least you know a price that will be accepted.
On priceline you bid based on a selection of area (within selected city) and star level. You can only use the same bid once per 24 hours but by changing area's or using a simple strategy you can usually get a few bids per area.
I usually just go for 4 star as I never spend enough time in the hotel to use a pool, gym or restaurant.
If you need some tips then google better bidding.
You dont know the hotel or whether your offer will be accepted, which is a little different from hotwire where at least you know a price that will be accepted.
On priceline you bid based on a selection of area (within selected city) and star level. You can only use the same bid once per 24 hours but by changing area's or using a simple strategy you can usually get a few bids per area.
I usually just go for 4 star as I never spend enough time in the hotel to use a pool, gym or restaurant.
If you need some tips then google better bidding.
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mysti
Check out the bids others have had selected;
http://www.betterbidding.com/index.php?showforum=123&
Check out the bids others have had selected;
http://www.betterbidding.com/index.php?showforum=123&
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Gael - Very insightful. The GOP didn't lose this thing because they weren't conservative enough, which is just about all the conservative syndicated right wing cheerleaders kept saying. They look upon any sort of compromise as a sign of weakness. Total bluster, not grounded in any reality.
I have no problem with the $ spent to campaign (you might expect and ad guy to say this), but I still have a problem with the electoral vote. 175,000 = 1 electoral vote in Wyoming, 665,000 = 1 electoral vote in California. I understand why the electoral college started, but in this "media village" we now live in, I believe that ship has sailed.
Mac - Celebrate in earnest!
If he can get on a diet, Chris Christie in 16. You heard it here.
I have no problem with the $ spent to campaign (you might expect and ad guy to say this), but I still have a problem with the electoral vote. 175,000 = 1 electoral vote in Wyoming, 665,000 = 1 electoral vote in California. I understand why the electoral college started, but in this "media village" we now live in, I believe that ship has sailed.
Mac - Celebrate in earnest!
If he can get on a diet, Chris Christie in 16. You heard it here.
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Thanks Mc.
looked at a few..
http://www.priceline.com/hotel/filterListings.do?key=h98erx0p&jsk=354a050a334a050a201211071212201b7020315959&plf=PCLN&gID=0&sLevel=4,5&filterAmenities=-1&hotelBrand=2302&filterPriceMin=0&filterPriceMax=300&filterRatingMin=8&filterRatingMax=10&hotelBrand=2302&hotelName=-1&updateHotelList=Y
that is one of the places i have reserved on booking.com- and tbh is way more expensive on your site.. however they must fluctuate for different hotels.
The problem with new york is that some prices include the taxes(its 14.5% plus 3.5 dollar per night) and some dont..
It clearly makes a significant difference!!
looked at a few..
http://www.priceline.com/hotel/filterListings.do?key=h98erx0p&jsk=354a050a334a050a201211071212201b7020315959&plf=PCLN&gID=0&sLevel=4,5&filterAmenities=-1&hotelBrand=2302&filterPriceMin=0&filterPriceMax=300&filterRatingMin=8&filterRatingMax=10&hotelBrand=2302&hotelName=-1&updateHotelList=Y
that is one of the places i have reserved on booking.com- and tbh is way more expensive on your site.. however they must fluctuate for different hotels.
The problem with new york is that some prices include the taxes(its 14.5% plus 3.5 dollar per night) and some dont..
It clearly makes a significant difference!!
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If the Democrats have another poor 4 years...which unfortunately is quite likely as the economy isnt improving and they will be blocked at every turn by the house of Reps.....and if they unearth a decent candidate....they will get in.
Its all cyclical, which is probably why its always by and large unsuccessful! What they do need to do though is attract the hispanic vote somehow, thats going to be key in years to come for both parties.
Its all cyclical, which is probably why its always by and large unsuccessful! What they do need to do though is attract the hispanic vote somehow, thats going to be key in years to come for both parties.
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Shotrock wrote:Gael - Very insightful. The GOP didn't lose this thing because they weren't conservative enough, which is just about all the conservative syndicated right wing cheerleaders kept saying. They look upon any sort of compromise as a sign of weakness. Total bluster, not grounded in any reality.
I have no problem with the $ spent to campaign (you might expect and ad guy to say this), but I still have a problem with the electoral vote. 175,000 = 1 electoral vote in Wyoming, 665,000 = 1 electoral vote in California. I understand why the electoral college started, but in this "media village" we now live in, I believe that ship has sailed.
Wow Shotrock, I'm really shocked by that. I thought those electoral thingies were done via proportional representation. Doesn't sound very democratic to me but then we don't have proportional representation either so who am I to complain?
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Question for our esteemed American posters:
When was the last time America elected an intelligent Republican President? Was Bush Snr. reasonable - I can't remember what he did that clearly (except the Gulf War)?
I got the distinct impression Reagan was dim but had a great backroom team and the less said about Bush Jnr., the better.
When was the last time America elected an intelligent Republican President? Was Bush Snr. reasonable - I can't remember what he did that clearly (except the Gulf War)?
I got the distinct impression Reagan was dim but had a great backroom team and the less said about Bush Jnr., the better.
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Its funny but everything that Ive read from journalists re Bush Jr, apart from the vitriolic Michael Moore type stuff, nearly always praises Bush as a person. Charming, warm, always had time for everyone and knew how to work the machine....this being something that Obama is notoriously poor/disinterested in.
I certainly dont think he was/is the idiot that he was portrayed as. This doesnt mean of course that he should have been President for two terms, however its worth pointing out that he won his second term with a bigger share of the popular vote that Obama did this time round. Clearly not everyone in America saw his terms as a complete disaster.
I certainly dont think he was/is the idiot that he was portrayed as. This doesnt mean of course that he should have been President for two terms, however its worth pointing out that he won his second term with a bigger share of the popular vote that Obama did this time round. Clearly not everyone in America saw his terms as a complete disaster.
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super_realist wrote:George1507 wrote:
The UK runs at a loss, but Scotland is contributing rather than taking. Salmond and Cameron both know these numbers are right, which is why Cameron is trying hard to keep Scotland in the Union. Without Scotland, the Labour party would struggle to be elected..
Actually, that's bollox and an urban fishwives myth. Only once has the contribution of Labour seats in Scotland been sufficient to sway Labour into power.
Didn't help this time did it, whilst they've only won three elections since 1979 so it's hardly been that important.
Certainly is NOT bollox. Since 1964, there have been 13 general elections in the UK. In 1964, and in the second 1974 election, Labour governments were returned with majorities of less than 10. There were at least 30 Scottish Labour MPs in those governments. Without Labour MPs, the first 1974 election would have been lost to the Tories. The 2005 election was close - 66 Labour majority - without Scotland's Labour MPs, it would have been very very close indeed.
3 elections - maybe 4 in 13 - where Scotland's Labour MPs have held the balance is hardly bollox is it?
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pedro wrote:Well taxes are lower in the US, stuff is cheaper and weather is better. In terms of disposable income and quality of living I think most of us on this board would make a better living in the US, regardless of who runs the thing.
The weather is better? Better in what sense? Do you yearn for hurricanes and tornadoes? Would you like to live in the path of storms like Sandy? How about snow for 6 months of the year? Or 48 inches of rain a year?
UK weather might be frustrating, but at our latitude, it's a climatic fluke that we don't spend half the year shovelling snow.
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Certainly is NOT bollox. Since 1964, there have been 13 general elections in the UK. In 1964, and in the second 1974 election, Labour governments were returned with majorities of less than 10. There were at least 30 Scottish Labour MPs in those governments. Without Labour MPs, the first 1974 election would have been lost to the Tories. The 2005 election was close - 66 Labour majority - without Scotland's Labour MPs, it would have been very very close indeed.
3 elections - maybe 4 in 13 - where Scotland's Labour MPs have held the balance is hardly bollox is it?
Glad you put those stats up to confirm what I'd already believed George. It had always been my impression that Labour were dependent on the large chunk of labour mps Scotland used to be able to provide.
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They still would have won , 1997 2001, 2005 without Scottish MP's. They aren't that important, just like Scotland as a whole.
All an Independent Scotland would mean is it would be harder for Labour to get a majority and they'd probably have to move more to the right, but it wouldn't mean it wouldn't happen.
All an Independent Scotland would mean is it would be harder for Labour to get a majority and they'd probably have to move more to the right, but it wouldn't mean it wouldn't happen.
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Hurricanes usually only affect the southern part of the US. Sandy is an exception. We also get hurricanes here and for sure it's often wet and windy. So unless you settle in North Dakota or similar, weather in large parts of the US is milder and more stable than anywhere in Northern Europe.George1507 wrote:pedro wrote:Well taxes are lower in the US, stuff is cheaper and weather is better. In terms of disposable income and quality of living I think most of us on this board would make a better living in the US, regardless of who runs the thing.
The weather is better? Better in what sense? Do you yearn for hurricanes and tornadoes? Would you like to live in the path of storms like Sandy? How about snow for 6 months of the year? Or 48 inches of rain a year?
UK weather might be frustrating, but at our latitude, it's a climatic fluke that we don't spend half the year shovelling snow.
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Interesting. I've never read a single person who thinks Dubya has more than the odd neuron. Yada, yada, yada, Yale University, blah, blah, blah. He got precisely where he did purely down to his dad, the family wealth and, probably, his wife. He may be warm as a person (in the sense that he comes across informal and chummy) but I don't think that counts for very much.Diggers wrote:Its funny but everything that Ive read from journalists re Bush Jr, apart from the vitriolic Michael Moore type stuff, nearly always praises Bush as a person. Charming, warm, always had time for everyone and knew how to work the machine....this being something that Obama is notoriously poor/disinterested in.
I certainly dont think he was/is the idiot that he was portrayed as. This doesnt mean of course that he should have been President for two terms, however its worth pointing out that he won his second term with a bigger share of the popular vote that Obama did this time round. Clearly not everyone in America saw his terms as a complete disaster.
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Must be reading different papers Navy. But even accepting all that how do you explain the re-election and popular vote share ?
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Diggers,
I think you need to move over here, the Republicans would be thrilled to have you.
Obama has done an atrocious job of conveying his accomplishments but they're real.
True story: Bought my paper this morning from a lovely young lady would very obviously bears the scars from some significant heart surgery. She was thrilled:
"Thanks Obama, Your health care bill saved me $1M for my last operation (which her insurance company was required to pay for)."
Her job wouldn't have provided any benefits let alone healthcare insurance, now she can stay on her parents' insurance for a few more years. Real life stories like that are worth celebrating and will make a lot of difference to a lot of lives.
But Romney is an idiot - he probably didn't realise that if he antagonized 47% of the population, he only needed 10% of the remainder to win in a landslide.
Hard work for Barack - lots of soulsearching (which might be difficult) for the Repubs.
pedro,
If you'd seen the damage from "Irene" and "Lee" last year I don't think you'd've dismissed the notion of hurricanes affecting the northern states quite so readily . . . . . .
I think you need to move over here, the Republicans would be thrilled to have you.
Obama has done an atrocious job of conveying his accomplishments but they're real.
True story: Bought my paper this morning from a lovely young lady would very obviously bears the scars from some significant heart surgery. She was thrilled:
"Thanks Obama, Your health care bill saved me $1M for my last operation (which her insurance company was required to pay for)."
Her job wouldn't have provided any benefits let alone healthcare insurance, now she can stay on her parents' insurance for a few more years. Real life stories like that are worth celebrating and will make a lot of difference to a lot of lives.
But Romney is an idiot - he probably didn't realise that if he antagonized 47% of the population, he only needed 10% of the remainder to win in a landslide.
Hard work for Barack - lots of soulsearching (which might be difficult) for the Repubs.
pedro,
If you'd seen the damage from "Irene" and "Lee" last year I don't think you'd've dismissed the notion of hurricanes affecting the northern states quite so readily . . . . . .
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The re-election? War and the outlook of America on the progress of both of them in 2004.
Popular vote share? Ditto.
I think a lot of the positive rating that Bush got initially was down to America's reaction to 9/11 and Iraq. Despite the obvious lies leading up the prosecution of Iraq, no-one made a cogent case against the pro-war position and pointed out what a charlatan him and his administration were on on that front. As things changed re. the wars, his ratings dived and he also managed to urine away all that Clinton's administration left him re. the economy.
I think, even more so than in the U.K., the U.S. is divided into inveterate supporters of one major party or the other. Most wouldn't change their stripes, regardless of what the other side say, any more than a typical football fan over here would change their allegiances.
Popular vote share? Ditto.
I think a lot of the positive rating that Bush got initially was down to America's reaction to 9/11 and Iraq. Despite the obvious lies leading up the prosecution of Iraq, no-one made a cogent case against the pro-war position and pointed out what a charlatan him and his administration were on on that front. As things changed re. the wars, his ratings dived and he also managed to urine away all that Clinton's administration left him re. the economy.
I think, even more so than in the U.K., the U.S. is divided into inveterate supporters of one major party or the other. Most wouldn't change their stripes, regardless of what the other side say, any more than a typical football fan over here would change their allegiances.
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I won't comment on the political scene any more ... I'm burned out from the lively discussions at work and home! Just a fine win!
But the weather in the Northeast? I love it -- Good change of seasons, sure there's some pretty unsettling times (like last week), but I'll take it over Florida or San Francisco. (Throw in a membership to Cypress Point, and you can ignore the San Francisco comment.)
But the weather in the Northeast? I love it -- Good change of seasons, sure there's some pretty unsettling times (like last week), but I'll take it over Florida or San Francisco. (Throw in a membership to Cypress Point, and you can ignore the San Francisco comment.)
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nbs,
When 51% of the population admit to being racist (according to a recently published poll), what do you expect??!!
Some very telling statistics published yesterday evening about the demographics of the electorate and, in particular, the decline of the white majority and the extraordinary rise in the numbers of "Latino" voters who voted about 3 - 1 for Obama.
About 50,000 Latino voters turn 18 every month - who do you think they will vote for unless the Republicans start to widen their appeal from racist, bible-punching, gun-toting, tax dodging white men?
When 51% of the population admit to being racist (according to a recently published poll), what do you expect??!!
Some very telling statistics published yesterday evening about the demographics of the electorate and, in particular, the decline of the white majority and the extraordinary rise in the numbers of "Latino" voters who voted about 3 - 1 for Obama.
About 50,000 Latino voters turn 18 every month - who do you think they will vote for unless the Republicans start to widen their appeal from racist, bible-punching, gun-toting, tax dodging white men?
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kwini, as stupid as it is, I doubt gun control or bible thumping has anything to do with the latino vote. But I guess Romneys hard line comments on illegal immigrants etc. did cost latino votes.
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kwinigolfer wrote:Diggers,
I think you need to move over here, the Republicans would be thrilled to have you.
I certainly wouldnt vote for them Kwini, Im just raising a few points about Dubya getting back in with an increased majority despite his percieved incompetence. Its a bit simplistic to just dismiss him as a moron, clearly he wouldnt have won a second term without doing a few things right, or at least right according to a majority of the electorate.
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And so what if Bush jr. was a moron. Maybe he just reminded people of themselves? Who are we to judge whether our vote is worth more or more well thought than others'. A bit elitarian point of view imo, bordering fascist.
And for racists voting for Romney, what about 95% of the black population voting for Obama? What would you call that? Black people even admit voting for him because of his colour. Is it acceptable that blacks are racists just beacuse they are a minority and once were exploited? Is feeling pity for the blacks the right way ahead? Will that eliminate the defacto segregation that we see in America?
And for racists voting for Romney, what about 95% of the black population voting for Obama? What would you call that? Black people even admit voting for him because of his colour. Is it acceptable that blacks are racists just beacuse they are a minority and once were exploited? Is feeling pity for the blacks the right way ahead? Will that eliminate the defacto segregation that we see in America?
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I think an awful lot of people are prejudiced in one way or another in relation to different races. Whether or not that makes someone an out and out racist Im not so sure, its more a case of possibly have a stereotypical view regarding people of different race and making judgements based on that rather than on an individual basis.
And I think this is the case with people of all races.
And I think this is the case with people of all races.
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pedro wrote:And so what if Bush jr. was a moron.
Seriously? You think it's ok to have a moron as the 'leader of the free world'?
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[quote="pedro"]
...weather in large parts of the US is milder...
Well, the US is a big place, but if you draw a line from Washington DC to San Francisco, pretty much every state north of that line is snowbound in winter. There's no winter golf in any state north of that line. It's not just states like North Dakota that get cold weather in winter - it's every state other than those on the Mexican border, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. The temperature right now in NYC is below freezing.
George1507 wrote:pedro wrote:
UK weather might be frustrating, but at our latitude, it's a climatic fluke that we don't spend half the year shovelling snow.
Hurricanes usually only affect the southern part of the US. Sandy is an exception. We also get hurricanes here and for sure it's often wet and windy. So unless you settle in North Dakota or similar, weather in large parts of the US is milder and more stable than anywhere in Northern Europe.
...weather in large parts of the US is milder...
Well, the US is a big place, but if you draw a line from Washington DC to San Francisco, pretty much every state north of that line is snowbound in winter. There's no winter golf in any state north of that line. It's not just states like North Dakota that get cold weather in winter - it's every state other than those on the Mexican border, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. The temperature right now in NYC is below freezing.
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The sheer variety of weather/climate in the States is huge compared to the UK.
For all that we complain about our weather, it's just not subject to the same extremes and many parts of the Stated. Personally I love warm/hot sunshine. Now you'll get a lot more of that in Florida than in the UK, you have to balance that however against the risk of coming face to face with a hurricane every now and again.
California is much less risky from a hurricane perspective and warm enough though not as hot as Florida but my ideal is Hawaii, year round 80-85 degs F with cooling tradewinds. The leeward sides of the islands being significantly drier than the windward but the islands are all small enough to drive to the leeward side on a rainy day. Yes, the can get hurricanes as well but they are rare.
For all that we complain about our weather, it's just not subject to the same extremes and many parts of the Stated. Personally I love warm/hot sunshine. Now you'll get a lot more of that in Florida than in the UK, you have to balance that however against the risk of coming face to face with a hurricane every now and again.
California is much less risky from a hurricane perspective and warm enough though not as hot as Florida but my ideal is Hawaii, year round 80-85 degs F with cooling tradewinds. The leeward sides of the islands being significantly drier than the windward but the islands are all small enough to drive to the leeward side on a rainy day. Yes, the can get hurricanes as well but they are rare.
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SmithersJones wrote:pedro wrote:And so what if Bush jr. was a moron.
Seriously? You think it's ok to have a moron as the 'leader of the free world'?
We've elected one as PM. I genuinely dont think that Cameron is any brighter than Bush.
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When was the last bright President or PM?
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JAS wrote:The sheer variety of weather/climate in the States is huge compared to the UK.
For all that we complain about our weather, it's just not subject to the same extremes and many parts of the Stated. Personally I love warm/hot sunshine. Now you'll get a lot more of that in Florida than in the UK, you have to balance that however against the risk of coming face to face with a hurricane every now and again.
California is much less risky from a hurricane perspective and warm enough though not as hot as Florida but my ideal is Hawaii, year round 80-85 degs F with cooling tradewinds. The leeward sides of the islands being significantly drier than the windward but the islands are all small enough to drive to the leeward side on a rainy day. Yes, the can get hurricanes as well but they are rare.
It's warmer in Florida, but it rains a lot. About 60 inches of rain a year in Miami - twice as much rain as the wettest places in the UK like Cornwall, Devon, Western Scotland, Lancashire or the Lake District. It's horribly humid in the summer.
Southern California has a great climate - sunny and low rainfall all year round. It does get very hot inland in the summer, but on the coast it's lovely.
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Both Clinton and Obama very bright guys - regardless of how you feel about their agenda.
JAS, good call on the climate thing. Here in Philly we played golf all winter last year, but are looking at 3 inches of snow tonight. Check out Washington State for some real interesting microclimates, parts very wet and over the mountains almost arid.
You've convinced me, however. Hawaii it is! In fact, Kauai is where the tent will go down.
JAS, good call on the climate thing. Here in Philly we played golf all winter last year, but are looking at 3 inches of snow tonight. Check out Washington State for some real interesting microclimates, parts very wet and over the mountains almost arid.
You've convinced me, however. Hawaii it is! In fact, Kauai is where the tent will go down.
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Gordon Brown or Obama, take your pick super they are both very bright people.
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pedro, Diggers,
1)."Racism" includes those from all races, certainly not just whites.
2).Dubya benefitted from three things especially:
*The incompetence of John Kerry as a candidate - great Senator but poor Presidential candidate.
*The millions spent by special interests portraying war hero Kerry as a peacenik chicken-livered bumbler. The sneering of Dubya characterising Kerry's war vote flip-flop "You were for it before you were against it" just made things worse.
*The brilliance of Karl Rove's campaign management, which fortunately Howard Dean and the Obama people have refined.
s_r,
Clinton and Obama are pretty bright - I would've thought Blair was pretty smart before he got too big for his boots and thought he could run for President of the World.
1)."Racism" includes those from all races, certainly not just whites.
2).Dubya benefitted from three things especially:
*The incompetence of John Kerry as a candidate - great Senator but poor Presidential candidate.
*The millions spent by special interests portraying war hero Kerry as a peacenik chicken-livered bumbler. The sneering of Dubya characterising Kerry's war vote flip-flop "You were for it before you were against it" just made things worse.
*The brilliance of Karl Rove's campaign management, which fortunately Howard Dean and the Obama people have refined.
s_r,
Clinton and Obama are pretty bright - I would've thought Blair was pretty smart before he got too big for his boots and thought he could run for President of the World.
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McLaren wrote:Gordon Brown or Obama, take your pick super they are both very bright people.
Gordon Brown might have been academically bright, but his time as Chancellor and even more as PM were as hapless as they come.
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Brown was arrogant, not a great team player, but as Super says very academically bright.
I think Blair is super bright as well, its a massive shame that he lost his principles somewhere along the way. Guess who he seems to give a lot of guidance to now.......the Torys !
Im not convinced being hugely intelligent is a great asset for a leader as it means they are less likely to heed advice. Better to have bucket loads of common sense, a calm temprement and the ability to recognise talents in others and to inspire loyalty.
I think Blair is super bright as well, its a massive shame that he lost his principles somewhere along the way. Guess who he seems to give a lot of guidance to now.......the Torys !
Im not convinced being hugely intelligent is a great asset for a leader as it means they are less likely to heed advice. Better to have bucket loads of common sense, a calm temprement and the ability to recognise talents in others and to inspire loyalty.
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I think you are right Diggers, no one gets to a position like that by being stupid. Even Dubya was probably very intelligent, at least in an academic sense despite his ignorance of the English language and lack of knowledge about the world in general. High intelligence often goes hand in hand with a chronic lack of common sense, and I think that's plain to see in a number of current and past leaders of the UK and America.
I suppose the question should probably be, not when was the last intelligent PM/President, but who was the last truly good one?
I suppose the question should probably be, not when was the last intelligent PM/President, but who was the last truly good one?
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Clearly John Major and Richard Nixon.
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Shotrock wrote:Both Clinton and Obama very bright guys - regardless of how you feel about their agenda.
JAS, good call on the climate thing. Here in Philly we played golf all winter last year, but are looking at 3 inches of snow tonight. Check out Washington State for some real interesting microclimates, parts very wet and over the mountains almost arid.
You've convinced me, however. Hawaii it is! In fact, Kauai is where the tent will go down.
Spending Xmas on Kauai, specifically Princeville Love it up there even though its not exactly the driest town in the States but...the beauty of Kauai is Poipu is about 45 mins away on a rainy day.
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JAS - See that bright green glow coming from the Western Sky? That's me with envy from across the pond. Very nice - enjoy!
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That was actually both sad (that he got away with it) and hysterical (given his own outstanding record on the front line during Vietnam ). I still can't believe he got away with that.kwinigolfer wrote:...*The millions spent by special interests portraying war hero Kerry as a peacenik chicken-livered bumbler. The sneering of Dubya characterising Kerry's war vote flip-flop "You were for it before you were against it" just made things worse....
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Er, no. He wasn't/isn't. He's a former drunken tool who's got where he has via daddy's experience, contacts and money.super_realist wrote:...Even Dubya was probably very intelligent, at least in an academic sense...
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On a completely different subject, just opened a really nice bottle of Ardbeg. Very nice I must say !
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Navy - Now I'm even more jealous!
My club's annual meeting tonight, another set of elections ... but this time with good food and drink.
My club's annual meeting tonight, another set of elections ... but this time with good food and drink.
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Shot
I'll think of you as I savour the flavour . Bottle of Uigeadail - odd name, ~55% (110 proof) and pretty peaty. Bit much w/o a splash of water but good with it.
Enjoy the food/drink this evening.
I'll think of you as I savour the flavour . Bottle of Uigeadail - odd name, ~55% (110 proof) and pretty peaty. Bit much w/o a splash of water but good with it.
Enjoy the food/drink this evening.
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you scots should be watching your celtic doing the number on barca- i had a couple of quid on em an all at 12/1!!
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mysti
You have to use the "name your own price" function.
If i were a scottish football fan I would be more concerned about my club existing by the end of the season. Hearts possibly going to follow rangers into oblivion.
You have to use the "name your own price" function.
If i were a scottish football fan I would be more concerned about my club existing by the end of the season. Hearts possibly going to follow rangers into oblivion.
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Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end for Scottish football. It's like a Jamaican bobsleigh team. What's the point.
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