Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[Diggers]

First topic message reminder :

Of course there are shades of grey but ultimately nobody can be sent to jail for saying they would like to kiddy fiddle but won't as it's illegal and cannot include consent by definition.
They go to jail when they break the law by looking at images or worse acts. So what do you do, change the laws ? Having an open debate won't change the laws, it will still come down to the same thing.
So whether they are deemed evil by society or not is ultimately fairly irrelevant as far as I can see. The end game remains the same.

[Diggers]

http://www.clevelandgolf.com/

Who was it that said Lowry didn't look like he was fat?

I said he didn't look as fat in real life as he does in photos or on TV.

I think its apt that when you open the link in the bottom right hand corner it says Allow Cookies.......clearly a lot of cookies !

[super_realist]

http://www.clevelandgolf.com/

Who was it that said Lowry didn't look like he was fat?

I said he didn't look as fat in real life as he does in photos or on TV.

I think its apt that when you open the link in the bottom right hand corner it says Allow Cookies.......clearly a lot of cookies !

[mystiroakey]

[Roller_Coaster]

[SpacemanSpiff]

I've rarely come across a poster who stank more of BS than Maverick.But I could handle that, what got me was the utter lack of any self depreciation whatsoever. Fader seemed OK but there was always something a bit suss about him.
I for one hope it's true as its hilarious and quite frankly there are better things to sympathise with and worry about than why an Internet troll/hoaxer does what he does.

Totally agree with your summary Diggers.

I'd always thought Mav was (from the old board) Monty_The_Great or similar, a complete fabricater who had maybe grown up a bit.

Always remember picking him up on his driving range tale that involved him hitting a fade with his 3 or 5 wood and someone off about 8 advising if you let me help you I'll get you down to single figures, when he claimed to be plus 1. I'm sorry, if you're plus 1 you never look like a double figure handicapper when hitting shots. Also his tales of business never added up for me either. Was he not on his 5th kid and selling his business moving to the states.
Like Mac, the thought did cross my mind when Fader appeared that he was Mav, I think Fader is certainly nearer the truth persona wise and golfing ability. Never in 9 months though!

Still, not crime of the century perhaps just a bit sad.

[Skydriver]

Seeing as there's been another mention of him today, I'll state my agreement with what Bob says - saw Mr Lowry (and Joel Sjoholm) at Wentworth and didn't think either of them looked as large as expected...

Also, although I'm no fan of Lowry, when I was standing beside him at the Irish Open this year, he was not as fat as he looked on TV that night when watching the highlights (not that he had that many of them that week). Safe to say, the camera does indeed add 10 pounds.. or is it kilos.

... and to quote a line from a famous sit-com "So exactly how many cameras were pointing at him?"

[incontinentia]

Lowry's weight is certainly a hot topic here. What's the fascination?

[mystiroakey]

SR's daily topic..

Groundhog day yo.

However moving on ffrom that- If he did decide to trim up how would that affect his swing!!

Maybe he needs to keep that fighting fit chunk on him or he would lose his game!

[super_realist]

Hilarity that a sportsman at such a young age can care so little for his condition and his lack of self respect really.

[SpacemanSpiff]

On that subject, who's been the heftiest No.1?

Jack? LW?

Nobody that large springs to mind.

Thats why it may be worth shaping up if you're a serious golfer.

[Diggers]

My money would be one Ernie Spaceman, but he was probably in reasonable trim when he was number one, just a big unit.

[mystiroakey]

Was LW chunky when he was no.1!!

or had we allready lost it!

[incontinentia]

I dont buy into the whole golf fitness thing, unless u need a motorised scooter to get around you can play golf to a high level.

[mystiroakey]

Well nope- however being fit should prolong your carrer and allow you to maximise your ability better.

Also healthy body = healthy mind.

Fact is it cant help being unfit

[Bob_the_Job]

I dont buy into the whole golf fitness thing, unless u need a motorised scooter to get around you can play golf to a high level.

I'm not expressing an opinion one way or the other, but I don't think anyone disputes the point you've made. The issue is, could you be even better if you were in better shape, and as a professional, shouldn't you at least try it?

[super_realist]

I dont buy into the whole golf fitness thing, unless u need a motorised scooter to get around you can play golf to a high level.

Quite simple really.
Next time you are out playing golf, tape 4 bags of sugar around your waist, see how well you swing and how much more tired you are after the round, now multiply that 4 times (assuming the fat tub of lard makes the cut)

Not just the physical exhaustion of carrying superfluous weight around but how it affects concentration, dealing with heat etc.

[JAS]

My money would be one Ernie Spaceman, but he was probably in reasonable trim when he was number one, just a big unit.

I'd tend to agree, not because he's anywhere near being a chubster, he's just got a big frame, in terms of BMI...what condition was Woosie in when he was world No 1?

I think there is something in the whole golf fitness thing Incontinentia although its certainly not the be all and end all.

[super_realist]

THey didn't used to care about weight in Rugby, now look at the difference.
I can't see how being in good shape couldn't help.

[mystiroakey]

they really do care about weight in rugby SR...

Fitness not so much- type of weight(fat to muscle) not so much.. But you still need to be a heavy lump!

[Diggers]

Westwood raves about his fitness program and how its helped his renaissance. Even the likes of GSpud have spoken about how important it is, Donald is a fitness fanatic.
Rory is in much better shape this year, no doubt taking a few tips from Wozza and her trainer. And suddenly he starts to win events instead of being top 10 or top 5. Maybe its because he can concentrate better at the end of an event as he is fitter ?

[Roller_Coaster]

Think that's likely to be an impact - the mental benefits to physical fitness, especially when most of the damn game is up there!

[JAS]

I have heard it said that a few years ago, the average tour pro was driving the ball as far as Woods on a Thurs morning. Come Sunday afternoon however Woods' 3wood was sailing past most drives. That was apparently down to conditioning and that prompted many to look at their fitness regimes.

[super_realist]

Sorry Oakey, I should have said "Fat". Rugby players used to be fat knackers. Not so anymore. Not sure why so many golfers think it doesn't matter.

[mystiroakey]

JAS

Did the average pros length go down- or tigers go up?

[mystiroakey]

yeah you are correct SR

but the occasional fatty does still get in a side- It is getting rarer and rarer though as you say.

[incontinentia]

Maybe you guys are right, my guess is though that if Shane got into good shape i.e. around 13 stone, the improvement to his golf would be microscopic. Golf is 99% talent, even Darren Clarke beat Tiger Woods over 36 holes of matchplay and they were polar opposites fitness wise at the time.

PS: anyone see the plank competition between Lee, Rory and Poulter during the China golf challenge? A test of core strength/endurance Lee wiped the floor with them lasting 5 mins, no easy feat!

[mystiroakey]

I dont think it would be microscopic..

Even if he averaged a quarter shot better a round that isnt microscopic..

Clarke beating tiger in one game means nothing tbh.

Being fitter would for my money aid consitancy over all else- you would see the difference in a season not one event!

Because being fitter allows you do stay at peak levels longer, not just from physicality but also mentality

[SpacemanSpiff]

[quote="incontinentia"]Maybe you guys are right, my guess is though that if Shane got into good shape i.e. around 13 stone, the improvement to his golf would be microscopic. Golf is 99% talent, even Darren Clarke beat Tiger Woods over 36 holes of matchplay and they were polar opposites fitness wise at the time.

There you go, DC managed that once, where as superfit Tiger managed it many more times.
Could DC have done it more often if he were fitter? We'll never know, but surely a Pro should look at every angle?

[Diggers]

PS: anyone see the plank competition between Lee, Rory and Poulter during the China golf challenge? A test of core strength/endurance Lee wiped the floor with them lasting 5 mins, no easy feat!

Suprising, Ive rarely seen anyone who's more of a plank than Poultry.....thought he'd win everytime.

[JAS]

JAS

Did the average pros length go down- or tigers go up?

Other Pros length tailed off, I imagine other factors would come into play as well as fatigue such as tension, maintaining timing under pressure etc but of course a fit well conditioned athlete would find those things easier to cope with too.

[mystiroakey]

Cheers Jas,

Well i think that proves something then doesnt it!

Certain golfers arnt even fit enough to maintain there fitness levels over 4 days of golf!!

[Skydriver]

PS: anyone see the plank competition between Lee, Rory and Poulter during the China golf challenge? A test of core strength/endurance Lee wiped the floor with them lasting 5 mins, no easy feat!

Suprising, Ive rarely seen anyone who's more of a plank than Poultry.....thought he'd win everytime.

"Rodney, you planker..."

[JAS]

Cheers Jas,

Well i think that proves something then doesnt it!

Certain golfers arnt even fit enough to maintain there fitness levels over 4 days of golf!!

I think thats one area where there has actually been a big change, most top pros work hard on their conditioning these days whereas in the pre Tiger era very few did. At the end if the day it's all very marginal gains but the dividing line between success and failure at the top of the game is so fine that most are looking extremely hard for any marginal gain they can. Plus, good fitness and conditioning should in theory help prolong a career at the top.

[navyblueshorts]

Quite simple really.
Next time you are out playing golf, tape 4 bags of sugar around your waist, see how well you swing and how much more tired you are after the round, now multiply that 4 times (assuming the fat tub of lard makes the cut)

Not just the physical exhaustion of carrying superfluous weight around but how it affects concentration, dealing with heat etc.

That's a bit simplistic, at least the analogy is. You would have put on the equivalent of those bags of sugar over time. To some extent at least, your musculature etc will make adaptations to cope. It's not the same as suddenly yomping around with an extra stone or two of weight.

[navyblueshorts]

THey didn't used to care about weight in Rugby, now look at the difference.
I can't see how being in good shape couldn't help.

I could argue that the skill levels have dropped somewhat at the expense of speed and strength...

[Diggers]

THey didn't used to care about weight in Rugby, now look at the difference.
I can't see how being in good shape couldn't help.

I could argue that the skill levels have dropped somewhat at the expense of speed and strength...

I think the skills are still there, its just they have a lot less time to execute them as its a much quicker game. But I think the handling is better than its ever been, there is no doubt for me that rugby going professional has made a massive difference to the performance levels. Its like a different game.

[navyblueshorts]

Yeah, I guess the decision making time etc is cut somewhat. Some players are still game breakers but too many play to a NFL-type playbook and are obsessed with crash-bang-wallop rugby now. Never thought I'd say it but I've almost gone right off it. Probably watch the Autumn Internationals given the big 3 from the South are in town but won't go out of my way to do it.

[Diggers]

Ive probably gone the other way, I love the intensity of a big international, especially the first 10-15 minutes. But I can see your point.

[dynamark]

FAO Mac- just had a word with my TV chef buddy and he actually wins the thing on friday.Credit where its due

[McLaren]

dyna

Can't beleive you just spoiled the ending for me.

He seemed to wind up the plastic woman quite a bit so fair play to him. Although she did look pretty good in the wonder woman outfit.

[gaelgowfer]

At one stage on the golf forum this afternoon there were 25 on-line. A record?

[JAS]

So....the Scottish independence vote, should all Scots of legal age get a vote?

[navyblueshorts]

You mean those in situ and those who're non-resident currently?

[Diggers]

I dont think anyone with a criminal record should get a vote...so thats Glasgow off the list.

[McLaren]

I dont think any of us should get the vote given we were stupid enough to get ourselves into the position where a referendum could actually happen. I say give the vote on scottish independence to a more sensible nation like Sweden.

Voting SNP should have carried the penalty of loss of suffrage.



On prisoners right to vote I think they should all get it unless they were involved in serious electoral fraud. Even cutting up kiddies has nothing to do with your ability to take part in a vote.

[JAS]

Aye, I have no qualm with those currently living there having a vote (assuming it is their intention to stay and take up citizenship). My problem is the 800000 Scots in the UK but not Scotland whose nationality could effectively change without them having a vote on it (yes I'm one). If as I understand it I'd be able to apply for a Scottish passport, why can't I have a vote on whether such a thing should actually exist??
Currently in UK national elections, exiles have a vote, but for local elections they do not (I completely understand that logic). The independence vote concerns the whole issue of nationhood and therefore ALL Scots should have a vote, anything else would be complete and utter Gerrymandering and subverting proper democratic process.

[gaelgowfer]

I dont think anyone with a criminal record should get a vote...so thats Glasgow off the list.

Cracker Diggers.

[JeffCarnage]

I'm in the 300,000 odd English people who live in Scotland. No surprises how I'll be voting.

However, I feel bad for all of the Scots who live in England who won't get a vote, yet a non-Scot like me can. It's crazy. However, I understand there needs to be a line drawn somewhere.

[Bob_the_Job]

.....I understand there needs to be a line drawn somewhere.

Hadrian had the same idea

[gaelgowfer]

I don't think non-domiciled scots should get a vote. Why should they if they're not here contributing to the scottish economy?

JC raised an interesting point though. Not only english folk but our immigration levels must have grown quite a bit in the last forty of fifty years. Can't see either of those groups voting for independence.

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