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Post by cp10 Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:09 am

First topic message reminder :

Scotland team:

Backs: S Hogg, S Lamont, N De Luca, M Scott, T Visser, G Laidlaw, M Blair

Forwards: Grant, Ford, Cross, Gray, Hamilton, Strokosch, Rennie, Brown (capt).

Subs: S Lawson, A Jacobsen, K Traynor, A Kellock, D Denton, H Pyrgos, R Jackson, M Evans



All Black squad :

15 - Israel Dagg
14 - Cory Jane
13 - Ben Smith
12 - Tamati Ellison
11 - Julian Savea
10 - Daniel Carter
9 - Piri Weepu

8 - Victor Vito
7 - Richie McCaw (c)
6 - Adam Thomson
5 - Sam Whitelock
4 - Luke Romano
3 - Owen Franks
2 - Andrew Hore
1 - Wyatt Crockett

Reserves:
16 - Dane Coles
17 - Tony Woodcock
18 - Ben Franks
19 - Ali Williams
20 - Sam Cane
21 - Tawera Kerr-Barlow
22 - Beauden Barrett
23 - Ma'a Nonu

Two new caps : Kerr-Barlow and Dane Coles


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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:26 pm

Actually, their defence has been very good (not so much in this match). Their main problem has been scoring tries. Now Visser's in, I think they'll do very well in the Six Nations.


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Post by justified sinner Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:27 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:from a neutral POV, 17 points shipped in the first half from the kiwi's, and Scotland have seen very little ball.

The kiwis are there for the taking if you can nullify the breakdown and starve them of ball!!!

Problem is we've lost our openside, going to have to be a massive effort from the pack to win the breakdown now.

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Post by Morgannwg Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:28 pm

I hope Wales are watching this game. They'd learn how to distribute from the All Blacks and how to carry the ball from the Scots.
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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:29 pm

Soft try? I think that all of the AB's try's have been quality to be honest.
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:30 pm

eirebilly wrote:Soft try? I think that all of the AB's try's have been quality to be honest.

Watching Hore's try again, I think Cross should've got a tackle in there instead of shoulder barging just before he got over the line.

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Post by KickAndChase Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:30 pm

I don't know why at the breakdown Scotland are committing basically zero men each time. Are they expecting, then, for the All Blacks to disrupt their own ball, knock on or something? That's clearly going to result in an AB every single time.

Strange.

Scotland's attack is ok though. Good intent to score that 2nd try. Good signs for the next couple matches actually.

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Post by Notch Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:31 pm

Some of the Scottish defence has been very soft but they would possibly get away with this against other Six Nations sides. New Zealand ruthlessly exploit these deficiencies.

NZ getting quick ball and the defence not pressurising them is a recipe for a long day at the office.
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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:31 pm

Cari wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Soft try? I think that all of the AB's try's have been quality to be honest.

Watching Hore's try again, I think Cross should've got a tackle in there instead of shoulder barging just before he got over the line.

Thats one small aspect, the fact that the AB's got into that position was amazing play before hand. Well constructed try's Very Happy
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Post by Notch Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:32 pm

KickAndChase wrote:I don't know why at the breakdown Scotland are committing basically zero men each time. Are they expecting, then, for the All Blacks to disrupt their own ball, knock on or something? That's clearly going to result in an AB every single time.

Clearly keeping extra men in the defensive line is NOT working for them. They aren't suffocating the All Blacks and denying them space, quite the contrary.
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:33 pm

Like I said Notch, I think Scotland will have a good Six Nations next year...so we'll see...

Second half kicks off...

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Post by Scot Abroad Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:34 pm

Anyone with some expertise want to make a gif of Denton running over McCaw for my personal collection?

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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:34 pm

Hmmm...Scottish defence starting to show signs of improvement...who had a word at HT?

Good kick from Hogg.

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Post by clivemcl Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:35 pm

Scot abroad, I just logged on specifically to express my delight at the Denton mccaw incident. Drool!

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Post by thebluesmancometh Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:36 pm

notch

Agree there, from my POV you have 2 options, keep the men in the defencive line and pressure with everything you have, or commit numbers and look to demolish and dominate the breakdown.

Scotland are doing little of either

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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:37 pm

Missed that, yellow card...
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:37 pm

Nice! I like watching De Luca blow his nose.

An AB getting binned! Shocked What?!

Thomson off...Scotland really need to take advantage of this.

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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:38 pm

Just saw that on the replay, nasty and could have been a red card. Might be a banning...
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:39 pm

Actually that was stupidly dangerous of Thomson - stamping on someone's head is just not acceptable. Come on Scotland...heeeeave!

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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:40 pm

Come on Scotland.

Bugger
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:40 pm

Richie Mccaw! warning He's a bad boy.

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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:41 pm

Scotland forwards really doing well. Pity they conceded some soft tries or they could be a lot closer and fighting to take the lead.

NZ lucky not to be down to 14 for the rest of the game.

NZ also conceding a lot of penalties, could be down to 13 if they are not careful.

Wasted opportunities from Scotland though,
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Post by whocares Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:41 pm

2 poor line outs in a row... just not acceptable at this level.

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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:42 pm

I would not be finding that funny. That could be a banning.
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:42 pm

They just replayed the stamp on the big screen in the stadium by the sounds. I wonder if that should have been a red? Definitely a citing for that.

Hanson's reaction says it all...

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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:43 pm

Straight out by NZ, gives Scotland a chance after wasting their last one.
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:43 pm

TRY VISSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yahoo

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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:44 pm

Quality from Mccaw.

VISSER try number 2
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Post by whocares Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:44 pm

haha well done visser

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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:44 pm

Ritchie McCaw clap

BUT ITS MAC VISSER AGAIN!

22 - 34

Who knows, maybe tthis game isn't over.
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Post by Notch Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:44 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:notch

Agree there, from my POV you have 2 options, keep the men in the defencive line and pressure with everything you have, or commit numbers and look to demolish and dominate the breakdown.

Scotland are doing little of either

Yeah thats it! Falling between two schools. Still, I agree with Cari. Scotland are looking like they could be a better side this year. Sharper in attack, defence clearly needs to improve and a few other things but looks like the potential is there.

Visser- 4 tries in 3 caps! He just scores tries.
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Post by RogerLewis Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:45 pm

Visions of Wales NZ 2003....

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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:45 pm

No no no no no Visser...no pointy finger thingy. This isn't football! raspberry

22-34 conversion missed.

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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:45 pm

Missed conversion not what Scotland needed.
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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:47 pm

Visser may not be the best defender but he does score try's Very Happy
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Post by thebluesmancometh Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:47 pm

In laidlaws defence Visser couldve gone closer to help him out!!!

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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:47 pm

Scotland look dangerous in possession, but poor without the ball.

22 - 37

Carter takes it back to a 3 score lead.
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Post by Scot Abroad Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:48 pm

3 tries is more than i expected from this game, would be nice to get to within 15 for ranking points

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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:48 pm

Notch - I, for one will not be taking the Scotland-Wales game lightly. And we're away to them this year.

I can't wait to see Visser v Tommy in the Scotland/Ireland game though!

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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:48 pm

Offside by NZ

Another attacking chance for Scotland.

New Zealand back to 15 though
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:49 pm

Scotland could get another here!!! Scotland vs All Blacks @ 2.30pm Sunday 11 Nov Murrayfield - Page 13 3933776953 Unlike previously, they've remembered how to score tries!

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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:50 pm

Another opportunity wasted, accidental offside.

Scotland can be pretty happy with this performance though. The other 6N countries should be worried.
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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:50 pm

Unfortunate for Scotland but this will give them a huge boost.
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:51 pm

Score check: 22-37 after 57 minutes. Scotland have a good attacking position.

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Post by eirebilly Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:51 pm

That was a good strip i feel.
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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:52 pm

Another penalty against the Blacks
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:52 pm

Well we've hardly seen the other end of the pitch this second half to be fair...

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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:53 pm

ooh lovely pass by Lamont there. Visser looking for the hat trick...

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Post by wales606 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:54 pm

All of Scotlands forwards can get over the gainline, compared to 1 of Wales forwards.
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Post by Cari Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:54 pm

Too hesitant there, but the AB's defence really being tested though. Good work Scotland.

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Post by ironrobson21 Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:54 pm

Just wondered if anyone else noticed Dagg's try was off a lineout that wasn't straight and Savea's try was from a forward pass, 14 points scored with help from the officials. Scots should be just a point behind

Awesome seeing Denton giving McCaw the sit down though.

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