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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 07 Dec 2012, 3:12 pm

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Breaking News: Sale Sharks go into the top 4 for the first time this season after beating Worcester Warriors at home.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:06 pm

Cheers Chris. Had a good year on loan at Leeds last season at FB but think hes played most of his age grad rugby at FH. Was very highly rated from what I've read up in Sale so hoping hes one that comes good for me on here

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Post by stnick88 Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:07 pm

I'm looking forward to going to Adams Park Sunday. For obvious reasons hope Wasps smash Sale and especially looking forward to seeing Wade play.

Cant say the same about Saturdays game at Madejski, expecting a loss but you never know.

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Post by Guest Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:12 pm

Lots of pundits think he is the real deal. Not seen much of him though

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Post by Guest Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:13 pm

Lots of pundits think he is the real deal. Not seen much of him though

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Post by Guest Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:14 pm

Lots of pundits think he is the real deal. Not seen much of him though

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Post by stnick88 Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:18 pm

thats enough matt!

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:21 pm

SJE I think he will come good - Wasps seem to be bringing through a lot of youngsters at the moment, Wade, Launchbury, Vunipola, Daly all starting for us now, Bell nearly always in match day 23. He's at the right club to develop.

Wade is such an exciting player to watch, scores so many tries, needs to be test physically and also learn when to pass more as a lot of the time he only seems to want to pass it to Varndell - he butchers 1-2 chances a game for Daly, who I think has been our most improved back this year.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:56 pm

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Sgt_Pooly wrote:He's not really been tested Chris, could be spot on or could get torn to shreds like Sharples did off Cummins.


Dear oh dear pooly you talk drivel sometimes. Sharples defence stats in that game were same as browns against nz.

Whole England team were poor and we had very little quality ball.

Not drivel, FACT! lol

He was terrible in defence against Aus. You don't go from the starting XV to totally dropped by having just an ok game. He has glaring weaknesses in defence which needs sorting before he pulls on an Int jersey again.

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Post by Guest Mon 17 Dec 2012, 5:06 pm

anonmattyt wrote:Lots of pundits think he is the real deal. Not seen much of him though


iPhones some time do that nick. Looks weird !

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 17 Dec 2012, 5:42 pm

Sorry if the above sounds negative as I do rate Sharples. You just have to so tight in defence to make the step up these days and he was really found out. I'm sure he'll work on it though and come back stronger

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Post by CJB Mon 17 Dec 2012, 6:10 pm

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chelseas are poor, 'we know what we areeeeee' is all they sung when i went to stamford for the fulham game the other week. so dull.


Just after Benitez took over nick. I was at the City game which was a few days prior, presume same defeated, negative attitude has lingered

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 17 Dec 2012, 6:50 pm

May struggle for time this week just so you know!!
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 17 Dec 2012, 9:31 pm

Evening all, back from my weekend break, will get things up to date tomorrow. Thanks SJE for doing the results bud.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 17 Dec 2012, 9:42 pm

No worries mate hope it was a good weekend!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 17 Dec 2012, 9:50 pm

Good, but knackering, could sleep for a week!
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 17 Dec 2012, 9:53 pm

There always the best weekends Very Happy

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:42 am

PR team of year:

1. Sona Taumalolo
2. Rory Best
3. Cencus Johnston
4. Eben Etzebeth
5. Nathan Sharpe
6. JMF Lobbe
7. Richie McCaw
8. Kieran Read

9. Ruan Pienaar
10. Dan Carter
11. Julian Savea
12. Sonny Bill Williams
13. Conrad Smith
14. Bryan Habana
15. Israel Dagg

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 12:44 pm

Pool tables are now fully up to date after round 4. Current seedings are...

Heineken Cup

1. Northampton Saints
2. ASM Clermont Auvergne
3. Gloucester
4. Ulster Rugby
5. Toulon
6. Toulouse
7. Newcastle Falcons
8. Harlequins

9. Leicester Tigers
10. Saracens
11. Racing Metro 92


Amlin Cup

1. London Welsh
2. Bath Rugby
3. Sale Sharks
4. London Wasps
5. Worcester Warriors

which if it stayed as it is would give us quarter finals of...

Heineken Cup

Northampton Saints vs. Harlequins
ASM Clermont Auvergne vs. Newcastle Falcons
Gloucester vs. Toulouse
Ulster Rugby vs. Toulon


Amlin Cup

London Welsh vs. Worcester Warriors
Bath Rugby vs. Leicester Tigers
Sale Sharks vs. Saracens
London Wasps vs. Racing Metro 92


Still tight in a few Heino pools though, so could change by the time we get to the end of the pool stage.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 1:08 pm

Unless anyone wants to buy them off me I will be releasing the following at 8 o'clock this evening...

Jonathan Fisher
Gavin Henson
Luke Fitzgerald

Will sell them for double the release price I would get for them, so that would be £2m for Fisher and £3m each for Henson or Fitz.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:16 pm

Did not know that Percival from Worcester was leading the stats in the AP for number of carries and tackles out of the second rows. Does anyone have him in this game?

Good interview with Josh Lewsey in the Rugby Paper about the England fullback situation, has Foden as the best one, but when you see that there is now Goode, Brown, Armitage, Miller and Tigers are pushing Tait there it has to be our best area for cover.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:19 pm

Tait is nowhere near.
Miller doesnt seem to of replicated last seasons form either.
Armitage wont get picked again even though he has been pretty immense for Toulon.

Goode has shirt to lose now. Be a good battle as Foden and Brown are quality players.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:21 pm

Miller not had the chance this season. Sale been on back foot continuously. Also been shifted round the backline.

Foden, Brown and Ashton is England's best back 3 for me. Probably with Brown on the wing.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:23 pm

Are you kidding Chris! Matt has been bigging him up for the last month, you can't have missed it

Goode will be hard to displace after AI performances, SL seems to be a fan. I think it'll be a left wing battle between Foden & Brown and both of those will be back up at FB.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:30 pm

I think Foden will get shifted out wide. Think he makes a better winger than Brown. Brown good sub to have as can cover both.

Thats fair enough Steve. He would have to play amazing to be considered though as the current 3 will take some displacing.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:31 pm

If there is forward talk I normally switch off if I'm honest and glaze over it...just reading through the Rugby Paper and came across that stat, was quite surprised with it.

For me Foden is the most complete player at fb, but Goode will certainly be difficult to shift - just don't think he offers enough penetration and isn;t a strike runner, which I think is very important for international 15s.

Really intelligent player and we do need him until we get some creativity in the 10-12 channel. Wonder whether Twelvetrees will get a go?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:33 pm

Injury permitting I don't think anybody will drop out of England XV that started against AB's.

Foden, Hartley, Croft, Lawes, Flood need to be playing well at club level and they'll be waiting in the wings.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:36 pm

Foden/Goode are different types of players. Until we get a creative 12 I think we should stick with Goode.

I don't think Foden is anymore complete but he's a better straight runner and defender, Goode has better space awareness and decision making, Brown has an aggressive running style and power.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:38 pm

Hartley will jump straight back in, no question for me. Lancaster has him as one of his leaders and the team lacks those overall.

Will be interesting to see how Croft does when he plays again - can see the eventual second row being lawes and launch, with Croft going to no6 and then Wood being moved to no7.

Would be a world class pack come the WC.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:41 pm

I can't see that at all Chris.

Wood/Croft flank combo lacks hard carrying for me. Wood or Croft with Robshaw(or another work horse) is the way forward.

Backrow is about balance and Wood/Robshaw worked really well together. Croft good bench option in 6N maybe.

Lawes really lacks form, needs a big few months. Lawes/Launchbury were excellent as a combo.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:42 pm

I hope Youngs keeps his place, brings attributes we've missed from a front rower. Hartley good from bench.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 3:46 pm

Lawes is massively lacking the form to earn a spot in the england side.

Wood/Robshaw is the current flank combo for me. Croft never quite done it for me, just lacks the aggression and power. Some will disagree.

Next year be interesting to see if Steffon returns to England. Gives us more competition.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 4:11 pm

Croft back next week apparently

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 4:15 pm

Unless there are injuries, or massive form issues there is no way that Lancaster will change the XV that started against New Zealand. May be some changes on the bench though, and you have to say that a bench of Hartley, Marler, Wilson, Lawes, Croft, Care, Flood/Burns, Foden would have some real potential for impact from it.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 4:17 pm

I really rate Croft, play him in the right style or quick play then there arent many better. Trouble is under Johnson, Robinson etc we've never played that style, so he's struggled.

Lawes was immense verus Ulster at the weekend, awful the week before. But still isnt match fit.

If you have Croft/Wood but then Lawes, Launcbury and Morgan then you arent going to struggle for carriers. And I don't see that Robshaw adds a great deal more carrying than say Wood or Croft?

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Post by stnick88 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 4:24 pm

Robshaw carries well in the tight areas. Croft doesnt. Croft is great in open space, Robshaw isnt. However Wood is quite pacey but also does a lot of graft in the tight, more than Croft does. So think Wood and Robshaw work better together. Croft could be a good impact sub.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 4:25 pm

Different type of carrying Chris. Robshaw always tops the carrying stats as he offers up first reciever and makes the hard yards. Croft & Wood don't really do that, especially Croft.

Croft is proven quality but needs to be with the right unit. Also gives a top draw lineout jumper/stealer which again Robshaw isn't and Wood although a good option again really isn't.

Lawes was benched against Ulster Chris

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 4:27 pm

Totally agree Nick. Wood/Robshaw were great together.

Croft played probably the best he has for England with Robshaw at 7 as he's the dog who does the dirty work.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 18 Dec 2012, 4:30 pm

Lawes came on after about 25 minutes Pooly, was pretty handy at destroying the Ulster rucks and mauls.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 6:35 pm

Yeah Lawes was cr ap in the first game, but had a big part in the second one - was good to see an English club getting the better of an Irish team at rucks for once!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 6:41 pm

Toulon have apparently signed Habana & Smit for next season.

They are now in talks with Castrogiovani and lining up Dan Carter for 2014.

Mental

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 18 Dec 2012, 6:43 pm

Who was the last decent player they signed under 30yrs old?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 6:47 pm

Haha...they do like their oldies

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Post by Driver Tue 18 Dec 2012, 6:50 pm

Don't say that Luke! Giteau is still under 30 and is still Chris's love child!
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Post by Fluxy Tue 18 Dec 2012, 8:29 pm

Would anyone be interested in Barritt for an EQ front five player?

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Post by Driver Tue 18 Dec 2012, 8:31 pm

Talk to me Flux
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Post by Driver Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:16 pm

Didn't know Toulon released Gael Fickou?
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Post by Driver Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:52 pm

Team of the year?

1.Sona Taumalolo
2.Tom Youngs
3.Ben Tameifuna
4.Eben Etzebeth
5.Luke Ramano
6.Chris Robshaw
7.Frans Louw
8.Duane Vermeulen

9.Aaron Smith
10.Dan Carter

11.Bryan Habana
12.Wesley Fofana
13.Manu Tuilagi
14.George North
15.Leigh Halfpenny
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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:55 pm

Driver man, you been drinking?

Youngs???
Tameifuna???
Romano not even nailed into the AB 4 jersey.
Robshaw not played 6
North has been in poor form this season.
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Post by Driver Tue 18 Dec 2012, 9:58 pm

Youngs has been great this season and no one else has stood out in the 2 jersey.

Tameifuna was immense for the Chiefs.

Should be Romano at 4 based on him this year.

Had to get Robshaw in.

First half of year and in Rabo he's been great
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Post by Driver Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:01 pm

Juandre Kruger has joined Racing Metro.

http://www.espnscrum.com/france-top-14-2012-13/rugby/story/174701.html
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