England Vs. Scotland 16H00 2/2/13 6N build up and Match thread

[RuggerRadge2611]

First topic message reminder :

Well I'll extend a warm welcome to our English cousins in our build up and match thread.

Let’s set the standard for these threads by not WUMing and having a good banter and an insightful discussion

The summer of 2012 was a loving affair as Scots were cheering on Ennis, Farrah and Wiggins. Whilst the English were cheering on the likes of Hoy, Murray and Grainger. All that is now a distant memory as the oldest fixture in rugby is set to be a highlight of the opening weekend.

So where are we? England coming in fresh of a stunning victory against the seemingly invincible All Blacks, whereas Scotland are coming into the match after a dire run of matches that saw Robinson fall on his sword.

Last year Lancaster's England was the unknown element and tipped to be defeated by Scotland who wanted vengeance for their 2011 RWC loss. The at Murrayfield game took an unexpected turn as Scotland butchered chance after chance and charge down Charlie showed us why Parks should have stayed in retirement.

Fast forward 1 year and it's a role reversal. Scotland with a new coach and a new attitude of Play well 1st, win games 2nd. I for one have no idea what to expect from Scotland in this tournament.

England though have set their stall out in the Autumn a convincing win against NZ but the quietly forgotten loss to the underwhelming Wallabies the week before swept, discreetly under the carpet.

No doubt England will be going in confident and the Scots will be... well going in with not many expectations at all.

Scotland have named Kelly Brown as captain and it's a well-earned accolade. The Sarries blindisde has been in excellent form all year and is the best choice for the job.

England are still sweating over the Tuilagi injury and despite saying there will be no special treatment it seems he is getting every opportunity to become match fit...




England Squad



15. Alex Goode (Saracens, 6 caps)
14. Chris Ashton (Saracens, 29 caps)
13. Brad Barritt (Saracens, 11 caps)
12. Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester Rugby, 0 caps)
11. Mike Brown (Harlequins, 11 caps)
10. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 12 caps)
9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 28 caps)

1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 5 caps)
2. Tom Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 4 cap)
3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 35 caps)
4. Joe Launchbury (London Wasps, 4 caps)
5. Geoff Parling (Leicester Tigers, 12 caps)
6. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 13 caps)
7. Chris Robshaw (Harlequins, capt, 12 caps)
8. Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby, 9 caps)

Replacements
16. Dylan Hartley (London Irish, 42 caps)
17. David Wilson (Bath Rugby, 22 caps)
18. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 4 caps)
19. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 15 caps)
20. James Haskell (London Wasps, 45 caps)
21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 37 caps)
22. Toby Flood (Leicester Tigers, 53 caps)
23. David Strettle (London Irish, 12 caps)



Scotland



15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)
14 Sean Maitland (Glasgow Warriors)
13 Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors)
12 Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby)
11 Tim Visser (Edinburgh Rugby)
10 Ruaridh Jackson (Glasgow Warriors)
9 Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby) [VC]

1 Ryan Grant (Glasgow Warriors) [VC]
2 Dougie Hall (Glasgow Warriors)
3 Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors)
4 Richie Gray (Sale Sharks)
5 Jim Hamilton (Gloucester Rugby)
6 Alasdair Strokosch (Perpignan)
7 Kelly Brown (Saracens) [C]
8 Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier)

Substitutes:
16 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby)
17 Moray Low (Glasgow Warriors)
18 Geoff Cross (Edinburgh Rugby)
19 Alastair Kellock (Glasgow Warriors)
20 David Denton (Edinburgh Rugby)
21 Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors)
22 Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors)
23 Max Evans (Castres)

[Sugarlump]

His break against Wales a few years back still lives lovingly in the memory.....glorious

That was 2008, we looked like GS champions elect for 40mins then the Welsh woke up, we got injuries (inc Strettle) and fell apart. I remember us in the second still in front but playing like we'd been spiked with benzodiazepines. Even sir Jonny W played with the collywobbles throwing passes to noone!

[Triangulation]

Whats happened to Wade - he played in last weeks Saxons game but not even in the squad this friday!
Is he injured?

Yes what have they done with Wade?!?

Is he considered to be too good for England?

Untrustworthy and difficult to coach these flash harry type players.

[123456789]

How do people think the two teams compare man for man?

In my opinion
15. Hogg vs Goode. Even
14. Maitland vs Ashton. Ashton
13. Lamont vs Barritt. Even
12. Scott vs Twelvetrees. Even
11. Visser vs Brown. Visser
10. Jackson vs Farrell. Farrell
9. Laidlaw vs Youngs. Youngs
8. Beattie vs Morgan. Beattie
7. Brown vs Robshaw. Robshaw
6. Strockosch vs Wood. Strockosch
5. Hamilton vs Parling. Even
4. Gray vs Launchbury. Gray
3. Murray vs Cole. Cole
2. Hall vs Youngs. Youngs
1. Grant vs Marler. Grant

I think that both of the teams picked are very close but England have the upper hand at 9 and 10 which may prove to be the difference. I also think England will really miss Tuilagi.

[Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler]

Yeah remember when Mark Cueto was one of the best try scoring wingers in he world?
Injuries

Around the same time Strettle was doing all that fancy stuff we had a promising you FH/12 making imilar breaks, unfortunatley he grew up to be Shane Geraghty.

[RubyGuby]

Wood is the best forward on the park IMO

[Sugarlump]

Is Short at Sarries injured/off form? He looked half decent when he was playing


Agreed in the sentiment, win and it doesn't matter. I actually was a fan of the way played under Jack Rowell, heavy but mobile forwards working the offloading game. When we fling it about there's alot of going sideways

SL - I agree, thought that Short looked the business for Sarries - worked hard in a team where the wings didnt see a lot of ball.
I believe that Sarries dual registered him and hes been playing a lot in championship! Think he played in the recent LV cup game though.

Cheers David, good to know he's still getting games and hasn't got a dreaded knee injury!

[ChequeredJersey]

Someone thinks Strokosch is a better 6 than Wood? Brown, maybe, Denton, maybe, but Stroks? Am I missing something here?

[majesticimperialman]

I am very glad that Lancaster as kept with the majority of the team that last played against the ALL Blacks...A bit surprised too see Strettle in the team and JJ drop out of the team....Just hope that Marler can step up to the plate in place of Corbisiro.

If they click like the last team did it could be a long day for Scotland.

Thought Foden would have made the bench, but i guess he needs some more game time to get fully match fit.

[Sugarlump]

Wood is the best forward on the park IMO

I rate Wood highly too, Strokosch is hard but as a player Wood takes for me, a bit of a natural, mobile, deceptively strong and aggressive. Strange to think Croft was nearly irreplaceable a couple of years ago, now barring injuries it's hard to see where he slots in.

[ChequeredJersey]

Is Strokosch hard?

[123456789]

Someone thinks Strokosch is a better 6 than Wood? Brown, maybe, Denton, maybe, but Stroks? Am I missing something here?

Yeah, sorry that was a mistake. I've no idea why I wrote that. I don't rate Strockosch at all

[123456789]

Is Strokosch hard?

He likes to think he it, he speaks in a deep voice and shaves his head but honestly the most damage he's ever done on a rugby pitch was to Joe Ansbro's head

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby/top-rugby-stories/six-nations-will-carling-says-england-were-smug-1-2769431
This makes an interesting read but isn't entirely relevant

[ChequeredJersey]

Is Strokosch hard?

He likes to think he it, he speaks in a deep voice and shaves his head but honestly the most damage he's ever done on a rugby pitch was to Joe Ansbro's head
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby/top-rugby-stories/six-nations-will-carling-says-england-were-smug-1-2769431
This makes an interesting read but isn't entirely relevant

That's the impression I get from him too

[Sugarlump]

Jujitso says he'll break your arm!


No Callum Clarke references pls!

[Barney McGrew did it]

How do people think the two teams compare man for man?

In my opinion
15. Hogg vs Goode. Even
14. Maitland vs Ashton. Ashton
13. Lamont vs Barritt. Even
12. Scott vs Twelvetrees. Even
11. Visser vs Brown. Visser
10. Jackson vs Farrell. Farrell
9. Laidlaw vs Youngs. Youngs
8. Beattie vs Morgan. Beattie
7. Brown vs Robshaw. Robshaw
6. Strockosch vs Wood. Strockosch
5. Hamilton vs Parling. Even
4. Gray vs Launchbury. Gray
3. Murray vs Cole. Cole
2. Hall vs Youngs. Youngs
1. Grant vs Marler. Grant

I think that both of the teams picked are very close but England have the upper hand at 9 and 10 which may prove to be the difference. I also think England will really miss Tuilagi.

You're not even close

[Sugarlump]

tell a lie, it was karate.

[123456789]

How do people think the two teams compare man for man?

In my opinion
15. Hogg vs Goode. Even
14. Maitland vs Ashton. Ashton
13. Lamont vs Barritt. Even
12. Scott vs Twelvetrees. Even
11. Visser vs Brown. Visser
10. Jackson vs Farrell. Farrell
9. Laidlaw vs Youngs. Youngs
8. Beattie vs Morgan. Beattie
7. Brown vs Robshaw. Robshaw
6. Strockosch vs Wood. Strockosch
5. Hamilton vs Parling. Even
4. Gray vs Launchbury. Gray
3. Murray vs Cole. Cole
2. Hall vs Youngs. Youngs
1. Grant vs Marler. Grant

I think that both of the teams picked are very close but England have the upper hand at 9 and 10 which may prove to be the difference. I also think England will really miss Tuilagi.

You're not even close

Have you read on?

[Alex_Germany]

Looking forward a bit to Ireland , if 36 has a good game, and Tuilagi is fit, that'll be a nice selection dilemma.

Would Barritt go the bench, with Tuilagi covering wing injuries?

Perhaps a topic for Sunday. Hoping...

[Triangulation]

Is it possible that England end up absolutely humping scotland?
Is is it possibel that Scotland thrash England?

Where could it really go badly wrong for the two sides?

I am preparing myself mentally for an English worst case scenario. Of course injuries can always play a part....

[123456789]

Is it possible that England end up absolutely humping scotland?
Is is it possibel that Scotland thrash England?

Where could it really go badly wrong for the two sides?

I am preparing myself mentally for an English worst case scenario. Of course injuries can always play a part....

England will thrash Scotland if England are up for it and on form and Scotland aren't, the only way I can see Scotland thrashing England is trying to expose England out wide and getting a couple of early tries and build from there.

[Barney McGrew did it]

123456789 - fair enuf

Tri - one word: norovirus (it's payback time)

[lostinwales]

Injuries is the big one.

Other stupid things that can happen?
Constant handling errors leading to stop start game no continuity and no penetration
interception passes
Brown getting caught out of position by Visser
Getting on the wrong side of the ref
Farrell loses his kicking boots
36 just gets overawed by the occasion and plays like a rabbit in the headlights

[123456789]

Injuries is the big one.

Other stupid things that can happen?
Constant handling errors leading to stop start game no continuity and no penetration
interception passes
Brown getting caught out of position by Visser
Getting on the wrong side of the ref
Farrell loses his kicking boots
36 just gets overawed by the occasion and plays like a rabbit in the headlights

#

Strettle comes on against Maitland or Visser

[Sugarlump]

Injuries is the big one.

Other stupid things that can happen?
Constant handling errors leading to stop start game no continuity and no penetration
interception passes
Brown getting caught out of position by Visser
Getting on the wrong side of the ref
Farrell loses his kicking boots
36 just gets overawed by the occasion and plays like a rabbit in the headlights

Stop it, you're giving me the eebie-jeebies!

[ChequeredJersey]

Brown will have positional difficulties vs Visser but if he gets the ball I don't expect Visser to enjoy defending against Brown- he just doesn't know when he is tackled and is one of the strongest men for his build and position playing

[123456789]

Brown will have positional difficulties vs Visser but if he gets the ball I don't expect Visser to enjoy defending against Brown- he just doesn't know when he is tackled and is one of the strongest men for his build and position playing

He'll suit Visser then, Visser doesn't know when or how to tackle

[Sugarlump]

Brown will have positional difficulties vs Visser but if he gets the ball I don't expect Visser to enjoy defending against Brown- he just doesn't know when he is tackled and is one of the strongest men for his build and position playing

He might not set the world alight with his speed but his core strength and balance are excellent. I watched a recording of the AB match with kiwi commentary, Brown was one of the players they picked out that was causing them problems along with Launchbury, T Youngs and of course Manu as just about everyone wouldn't mind him being their player!

[highland_scot]

I'd like to see a Scotland victory with Beattie running over the top of half the English team, along with Visser putting in a ferocious hit on Ashton in the first 10 minutes. Back in the real world, I'm afraid that I can't see past an England victory. Not a hefty one, mind you, more likely a classic closely fought Scotland-England match decided by the boot of Farrell and the quirkiness of Rolland's refereeing...

That said, I keep having the Scottish Bipolar problem with regards to how we will do. I've been alternating between teams winning but in my head it'll have to be England. Love to see Maitland on the wide open pitch of Twickers, as all I've seen of him so far has been on the narrow Scotstoun pitch. He's definitely shown that he is a generation ahead of most of our players in terms of basic skills and spatial awareness/rugby thinking. Schlong take note, he runs into space, not the nearest man! No pressure on Maitland though, it's his debut and we can't exactly expect miracles from the lad! Particularly when we've got a big immobile lump inside him who refuses to pass.

re Strockosch. I don't get the hype at all either. Never seen him put in a particularly spectacular hit (except Ansbro on the noggin) and he doesn't do much in the loose. Sure, he does the dirty work and is a good solid 6, but I think I'd rather see Brown at 6 as he is better, with Denton at 7 who can't be too much worse than Brown but gives some additional carrying ability.

Will be interesting to see how the A team go, any ideas who might make the step up over the 6N? Welsh perhaps, Heathcote might get some game time if he shows up well, who else?

For the record; (head score) England 24 Scotland 19 (meaning we cross the liney!), (heart score) England 14 Scotland 35. Then I'll wake up!

[123456789]

I have a feeling it will be 13-21, two tries for Scotland and three penalties and a try for England and two penalties. Just a gut feeling.

[UlstermaninGlasgow]

I think we might just see a few cut-out passes from Scott and Jackson to the wingers, or Lamont acting as 1st reciever off 10, getting over the gainline and then Maitland/Visser in space outside. Also Maitland and Hogg are starting to develop an understanding with their interplay so it will be interesting to see if that continues in the dark-blue as well...

[123456789]

I think we might just see a few cut-out passes from Scott and Jackson to the wingers, or Lamont acting as 1st reciever off 10, getting over the gainline and then Maitland/Visser in space outside. Also Maitland and Hogg are starting to develop an understanding with their interplay so it will be interesting to see if that continues in the dark-blue as well...

I think he'll be used as a crash ball carrier initially and then more of a decoy runner. Also I think Maitland and Visser will come inside to try to exploit England's centres defensively

[UlstermaninGlasgow]

I think we might just see a few cut-out passes from Scott and Jackson to the wingers, or Lamont acting as 1st reciever off 10, getting over the gainline and then Maitland/Visser in space outside. Also Maitland and Hogg are starting to develop an understanding with their interplay so it will be interesting to see if that continues in the dark-blue as well...

I think he'll be used as a crash ball carrier initially and then more of a decoy runner. Also I think Maitland and Visser will come inside to try to exploit England's centres defensively

That was my thinking as well, but just unable to make it sound as good as I'm just a fatboy forward... I can see a mix between the inside balls to Lamont/Beattie/Grant/Hamilton and the wide play to get on the outside of Barritt, Brown and Goode... Scotland have more pace and need to try and exploit it. Big game for Rhubarb!

[yappysnap]

Really excited about this game.

As an aside who'll be doing the ground work for Scotland? Or is it just shared amongst the pack?

It'll be interesting to see what tactics SL is using, will he get Robshaw to focus on the balpilfering like against SA or to go in more as first reciever and primary tackler like in the AI's.

I'm not expecting too much from 36, just solid defence and good decision making, with Farrel at 10 and Barr13 I don't think therell be many chances in attack.

[21st Century Schizoid Man]

Really excited about this game.

As an aside who'll be doing the ground work for Scotland? Or is it just shared amongst the pack?

It'll be interesting to see what tactics SL is using, will he get Robshaw to focus on the balpilfering like against SA or to go in more as first reciever and primary tackler like in the AI's.

I'm not expecting too much from 36, just solid defence and good decision making, with Farrel at 10 and Barr13 I don't think therell be many chances in attack.

Imagine it will be Stroker and Brown

[123456789]

I think we might just see a few cut-out passes from Scott and Jackson to the wingers, or Lamont acting as 1st reciever off 10, getting over the gainline and then Maitland/Visser in space outside. Also Maitland and Hogg are starting to develop an understanding with their interplay so it will be interesting to see if that continues in the dark-blue as well...

I think he'll be used as a crash ball carrier initially and then more of a decoy runner. Also I think Maitland and Visser will come inside to try to exploit England's centres defensively

That was my thinking as well, but just unable to make it sound as good as I'm just a fatboy forward... I can see a mix between the inside balls to Lamont/Beattie/Grant/Hamilton and the wide play to get on the outside of Barritt, Brown and Goode... Scotland have more pace and need to try and exploit it. Big game for Rhubarb!

I'm looking forward to seeing our backline because we have creative players like Scott, Jackson, Laidlaw and Hogg, Strength in Lamont and pace from the likes of Maitland and Visser. For once a backline's been picked with players who can all pose a threat.

I always wonder why there was a question as to why Scotland couldn't score tries, when you think we could have easily started a game with:

9. Lawson
10. Parks
11. Danielli
12. Morrison
13. De luca
14. Walker
15. Southwell
That is incredibly pedestrian and I would say every player starting in the backs on Sunday is more of a threat.

[Solid8]

I think we might just see a few cut-out passes from Scott and Jackson to the wingers, or Lamont acting as 1st reciever off 10, getting over the gainline and then Maitland/Visser in space outside. Also Maitland and Hogg are starting to develop an understanding with their interplay so it will be interesting to see if that continues in the dark-blue as well...

I think he'll be used as a crash ball carrier initially and then more of a decoy runner. Also I think Maitland and Visser will come inside to try to exploit England's centres defensively

That was my thinking as well, but just unable to make it sound as good as I'm just a fatboy forward... I can see a mix between the inside balls to Lamont/Beattie/Grant/Hamilton and the wide play to get on the outside of Barritt, Brown and Goode... Scotland have more pace and need to try and exploit it. Big game for Rhubarb!

I'm looking forward to seeing our backline because we have creative players like Scott, Jackson, Laidlaw and Hogg, Strength in Lamont and pace from the likes of Maitland and Visser. For once a backline's been picked with players who can all pose a threat.

I always wonder why there was a question as to why Scotland couldn't score tries, when you think we could have easily started a game with:

9. Lawson
10. Parks
11. Danielli
12. Morrison
13. De luca
14. Walker
15. Southwell
That is incredibly pedestrian and I would say every player starting in the backs on Sunday is more of a threat.

The thought of that makes me cringe! Mind you Southwell has been doing good things for Wasps his work rate is high although he is not much of an attacking threat.

[Hound_of_Harrow]

As it has been for the last 5-6 years in the 6N, if Scotland can hold on to the ruddy ball rather than spilling it, dropping it, being intercepted, and getting it ripped off them in the tackle, then they will undoubtedly be in with a chance.

If the same old failings persist then it could be a long 80 minutes for Scotland.

Sort out the basic skills Scotland, and it's game on.

[RDW]

The calm before the storm...

[beshocked]

Surely it will be Brown vs Maitland and Ashton vs Visser. 11 vs 14 Left winger vs Right winger.

I think Scotland would probably prefer it that way round. Though as I have said many times like a broken record Ashton will be licking his lips at facing Visser yet again.

[EnglishReign]

I've dreamt that this game finishes a draw for two nights now. Wake up in a cold sweat.

[RDW]

Surely it will be Brown vs Maitland and Ashton vs Visser. 11 vs 14 Left winger vs Right winger.

I think Scotland would probably prefer it that way round. Though as I have said many times like a broken record Ashton will be licking his lips at facing Visser yet again.

Are you Ashton's dad or something?? I've never seen someone so infatuated with one player.

[bluestonevedder]

Simply cannot wait for this...

Birthday was on Wednesday, and the celebrations saved for this weekend. Combined with a little 4 day weekend and loads of rugby, this has the potential to such a fantastic weekend!

[Jimpy]

Surely it will be Brown vs Maitland and Ashton vs Visser. 11 vs 14 Left winger vs Right winger.

I think Scotland would probably prefer it that way round. Though as I have said many times like a broken record Ashton will be licking his lips at facing Visser yet again.

Are you Ashton's dad or something?? I've never seen someone so infatuated with one player.

It should be fairly obvious.

Ashton plays for Saracens, therefore, he is God. He can do no wrong, and anybody who says otherwise is just plain wrong, because as we all know Beshocked, by his own admission, is always right, and will tell you so in an endless stream of cliches and statistics that reminds me of the arguments you hear in the playgrounds of our Junior school system.

Fed up of hearing it. Dot. Com.

[RDW]

Please don't let this kick off the Ashton V Visser debate all over again...

[beshocked]

Surely it will be Brown vs Maitland and Ashton vs Visser. 11 vs 14 Left winger vs Right winger.

I think Scotland would probably prefer it that way round. Though as I have said many times like a broken record Ashton will be licking his lips at facing Visser yet again.

Are you Ashton's dad or something?? I've never seen someone so infatuated with one player.

It should be fairly obvious.

Ashton plays for Saracens, therefore, he is God. He can do no wrong, and anybody who says otherwise is just plain wrong, because as we all know Beshocked, by his own admission, is always right, and will tell you so in an endless stream of cliches and statistics that reminds me of the arguments you hear in the playgrounds of our Junior school system.

Fed up of hearing it. Dot. Com.

How funny. I am sick of hearing from you too. Makes two of us.

Have you got anything about rugby to add to the conversation?

No I liked Ashton before he played for Saracens. I suppose you could say his awesome try vs Australia made me a fan. I didn't say I am always right. Just mostly.

Statistics yes I use them. Cliches? You'll have to specify.

RDW Scotland I apologise. I want to see England's players do well.

[Jimpy]

Surely it will be Brown vs Maitland and Ashton vs Visser. 11 vs 14 Left winger vs Right winger.

I think Scotland would probably prefer it that way round. Though as I have said many times like a broken record Ashton will be licking his lips at facing Visser yet again.

Are you Ashton's dad or something?? I've never seen someone so infatuated with one player.

It should be fairly obvious.

Ashton plays for Saracens, therefore, he is God. He can do no wrong, and anybody who says otherwise is just plain wrong, because as we all know Beshocked, by his own admission, is always right, and will tell you so in an endless stream of cliches and statistics that reminds me of the arguments you hear in the playgrounds of our Junior school system.

Fed up of hearing it. Dot. Com.

How funny. I am sick of hearing from you too. Makes two of us.

Have you got anything about rugby to add to the conversation?

No I liked Ashton before he played for Saracens. I suppose you could say his awesome try vs Australia made me a fan. I didn't say I am always right. Just mostly.

Statistics yes I use them. Cliches? You'll have to specify.

RDW Scotland I apologise. I want to see England's players do well.

You couldn't make this up

[RDW]

Right, we've had 12 pages getting along nicely so lets just move on eh?

England fans - I asked the Scottish lot on a different thread where it was most likely to get a win - the Under 20s, A team or full team.

Which team do you think has the biggest chance of losing to Scotland?

My thoughts were our under 20s stand no chance as they are always at a disadvantage against the English at that age, the A team have a decent chance if the English turn up with the same attitude that they did last year (which I don't think they will) and as for the full team, well see the last 12 pages of this thread!

[Jimpy]

Right, we've had 12 pages getting along nicely so lets just move on eh?

England fans - I asked the Scottish lot on a different thread where it was most likely to get a win - the Under 20s, A team or full team.

Which team do you think has the biggest chance of losing to Scotland?

My thoughts were our under 20s stand no chance as they are always at a disadvantage against the English at that age, the A team have a decent chance if the English turn up with the same attitude that they did last year (which I don't think they will) and as for the full team, well see the last 12 pages of this thread!

Yes Dad

[RDW]

Suppose I should add an

[beshocked]

Right, we've had 12 pages getting along nicely so lets just move on eh?

England fans - I asked the Scottish lot on a different thread where it was most likely to get a win - the Under 20s, A team or full team.

Which team do you think has the biggest chance of losing to Scotland?

My thoughts were our under 20s stand no chance as they are always at a disadvantage against the English at that age, the A team have a decent chance if the English turn up with the same attitude that they did last year (which I don't think they will) and as for the full team, well see the last 12 pages of this thread!

When Jimpy joins in you know there's a real chance the thread will be derailed.

How does the Scottish A side compare to last season? The England U20s are generally strong but didn't do as well last season. What's your U20s side like?

As you say the main Scottish side analysis has been done to death.

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