Cian Healy - cited

by little_badger Mon 11 Feb 2013, 4:05 pm

First topic message reminder :

In other news the Pope is a Catholic (for now at least).

Espnscrum has the hearing set for Wednesday. Predictions on a post card. He may well live to regret a few moments of madness.

by **LondonTiger** Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
Unfortunately the majority of the English fans, pundits and media seem to think Cole's actions were premeditated and of vicious intent.

by maestegmafia Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:25 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:27 pm

MrsP wrote:
A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:I think we can all agree that a red mist descended and Healy behaved badly just as the red mist descended over some posters on here who through national allegiance tried to condone his actions, but in the end sanity prevailed. Healy has got his just deserts but is no monster and the same can be said of those posters, just that sometimes emotions get the better of us.

Can you show me where one Irish fan tried to condone Healy's actions?

Gunsgerms wrote "The so called punches are hardly worth mentioning.
Healy reacted to cheating, he overreacted but it was not "unprovoked" as in he was hardly just doing it for a laugh. If you open your eyes its fairly obvious he was trying to free the ball."

Describing this vicious assault as hardly worth mentioning and merely trying to free the ball having being provoked, looks like condoning to me.

by **LondonTiger** Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

Yes it was, it was also truthful - the Irish fans have been good as gold on this topic. Some (a minority) of english fans have not been great. Some welsh fans (a monority) have not been great.

by maestegmafia Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

Yes it was, it was also truthful - the Irish fans have been good as gold on this topic. Some (a minority) of english fans have not been great. Some welsh fans (a monority) have not been great.

Really...?

Can you point out where Welsh (excluding previous comments by View) and Irish fans who disagree with you differ in their opinion? I certainly agree with what the Irish fans have said. And have been very clear in such.

You seem to distinguish a difference between the opinions of the Irish and the Welsh though you are Pussyfooting about making your point...?

by GunsGerms Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm

A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:
MrsP wrote:
A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:I think we can all agree that a red mist descended and Healy behaved badly just as the red mist descended over some posters on here who through national allegiance tried to condone his actions, but in the end sanity prevailed. Healy has got his just deserts but is no monster and the same can be said of those posters, just that sometimes emotions get the better of us.

Can you show me where one Irish fan tried to condone Healy's actions?

Gunsgerms wrote "The so called punches are hardly worth mentioning.
Healy reacted to cheating, he overreacted but it was not "unprovoked" as in he was hardly just doing it for a laugh. If you open your eyes its fairly obvious he was trying to free the ball."

Describing this vicious assault as hardly worth mentioning and merely trying to free the ball having being provoked, looks like condoning to me.

What is your issue with the punches? Did you see them connect?

"Healy reacted to cheating, he overreacted but it was not "unprovoked" as in he was hardly just doing it for a laugh. If you open your eyes its fairly obvious he was trying to free the ball." - How does this mean I condone stamping?

Describing this vicious assault as hardly worth mentioning and merely trying to free the ball having being provoked, looks like condoning to me - I described the "punches" as hardly worth mentioning not the stamp. This is an opinion that Guscott shares.

You are having real trouble understanding and following my posts. Starting to doubt you have the head for sensible debate.

by nobbled Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:39 pm

Healy certainly had the red mist for a while - Have to wonder what was in the pre-match team talk - did someone suggest Cole had eaten all the pies?

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:42 pm

Listen guns, you've made some foolish comments that the vast majority of your fellow Irish fans find embarrassing, I'd just leave it at that if I were you.

I don't hold them against you and neither will anyone else. Just move on and it will soon be forgotten, both the incident and your unfortunate comments.

by **LondonTiger** Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

Yes it was, it was also truthful - the Irish fans have been good as gold on this topic. Some (a minority) of english fans have not been great. Some welsh fans (a monority) have not been great.

Really...?

Can you point out where Welsh (excluding previous comments by View) and Irish fans who disagree with you differ in their opinion? I certainly agree with what the Irish fans have said. And have been very clear in such.

You seem to distinguish a difference between the opinions of the Irish and the Welsh though you are Pussyfooting about making your point...?

I have not seen any Irish fan disagree with me. Healy made a mistake, he has been unished and we should all move on.

I have seen you disagree with me - you and View are the only people I have seen who try and condone what Healy did. You take every chance you can get to mock, denigrate and insult the english in post after post and thread after thread. I am sick of your attitude.

Is that clear enough for you?

by maestegmafia Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:53 pm

That accusation is bang out of order. The mods will be notified.

I disagree that Healy's actions were premeditated. I do not condone violence and have stressed that.

You are trying to imply my opinions are xenophobic....!

by nobbled Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:56 pm

maestegmafia wrote:That accusation is bang out of order. The mods will be notified.

I disagree that Healy's actions were premeditated. I do not condone violence and have stressed that.

You are trying to imply my opinions are xenophobic....!

With any luck the mods will lock the thread.
Think it's all been said now. Move along now....nothing to see....

by Barney McGrew did it Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:56 pm

If only mikeyphil were still here, he'd have sorted this thread out.

by maestegmafia Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm

nobbled wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:That accusation is bang out of order. The mods will be notified.

I disagree that Healy's actions were premeditated. I do not condone violence and have stressed that.

You are trying to imply my opinions are xenophobic....!

With any luck the mods will lock the thread.
Think it's all been said now. Move along now....nothing to see....

Unfortunately you are likely correct.

by GunsGerms Thu 14 Feb 2013, 1:14 pm

A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:Listen guns, you've made some foolish comments that the vast majority of your fellow Irish fans find embarrassing, I'd just leave it at that if I were you.

I don't hold them against you and neither will anyone else. Just move on and it will soon be forgotten, both the incident and your unfortunate comments.

At least my comments are based on fact and not plucked out of thin air like yours. Also unlike you I have have not resorted to name calling. Unfortunalty you just dont seem to have anything intellegent to add to the debate so Im better off ignoring you.

by Jimpy Thu 14 Feb 2013, 1:17 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

Yes it was, it was also truthful - the Irish fans have been good as gold on this topic. Some (a minority) of english fans have not been great. Some welsh fans (a monority) have not been great.

Really...?

Can you point out where Welsh (excluding previous comments by View) and Irish fans who disagree with you differ in their opinion? I certainly agree with what the Irish fans have said. And have been very clear in such.

You seem to distinguish a difference between the opinions of the Irish and the Welsh though you are Pussyfooting about making your point...?

I have not seen any Irish fan disagree with me. Healy made a mistake, he has been unished and we should all move on.

I have seen you disagree with me - you and View are the only people I have seen who try and condone what Healy did. You take every chance you can get to mock, denigrate and insult the english in post after post and thread after thread. I am sick of your attitude.

Is that clear enough for you?

Amen.

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Thu 14 Feb 2013, 1:22 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:Listen guns, you've made some foolish comments that the vast majority of your fellow Irish fans find embarrassing, I'd just leave it at that if I were you.

I don't hold them against you and neither will anyone else. Just move on and it will soon be forgotten, both the incident and your unfortunate comments.

At least my comments are based on fact and not plucked out of thin air like yours. Also unlike you I have have not resorted to name calling. Unfortunalty you just dont seem to have anything intellegent to add to the debate so Im better off ignoring you.

Okay Guns, I think we all have your measure now.

by Toohey Thu 14 Feb 2013, 1:31 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

Yes it was, it was also truthful - the Irish fans have been good as gold on this topic. Some (a minority) of english fans have not been great. Some welsh fans (a monority) have not been great.

Really...?

Can you point out where Welsh (excluding previous comments by View) and Irish fans who disagree with you differ in their opinion? I certainly agree with what the Irish fans have said. And have been very clear in such.

You seem to distinguish a difference between the opinions of the Irish and the Welsh though you are Pussyfooting about making your point...?

I have not seen any Irish fan disagree with me. Healy made a mistake, he has been unished and we should all move on.

I have seen you disagree with me - you and View are the only people I have seen who try and condone what Healy did. You take every chance you can get to mock, denigrate and insult the english in post after post and thread after thread. I am sick of your attitude.

Is that clear enough for you?

+1

Biggest WUM on here.

by Thomond Thu 14 Feb 2013, 1:33 pm

I would have given him about 4-6, which I think is what he would have gotten had he not had a clean record. I know people are compaining about that and they are right to, but would that not be more of an issue with the system and how the IRB deals with disciplinary matters as opposed to Healy?

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Thu 14 Feb 2013, 1:34 pm

Toohey wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

Yes it was, it was also truthful - the Irish fans have been good as gold on this topic. Some (a minority) of english fans have not been great. Some welsh fans (a monority) have not been great.

Really...?

Can you point out where Welsh (excluding previous comments by View) and Irish fans who disagree with you differ in their opinion? I certainly agree with what the Irish fans have said. And have been very clear in such.

You seem to distinguish a difference between the opinions of the Irish and the Welsh though you are Pussyfooting about making your point...?

I have not seen any Irish fan disagree with me. Healy made a mistake, he has been unished and we should all move on.

I have seen you disagree with me - you and View are the only people I have seen who try and condone what Healy did. You take every chance you can get to mock, denigrate and insult the english in post after post and thread after thread. I am sick of your attitude.

Is that clear enough for you?

+1

Biggest WUM on here.

+ 1000

He's like the school bully who runs blubbing to the teacher the second anyone stands up to him. Truly pathetic!

by doctor_grey Thu 14 Feb 2013, 2:41 pm

MrsP wrote:Maybe Healy should have told the panel he was under 18 and he might have got away scot free?

Leave the Scots out of this! They have enough problems.

by gregortree Thu 14 Feb 2013, 3:17 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

Yes it was, it was also truthful - the Irish fans have been good as gold on this topic. Some (a minority) of english fans have not been great. Some welsh fans (a monority) have not been great.

Really...?

Can you point out where Welsh (excluding previous comments by View) and Irish fans who disagree with you differ in their opinion? I certainly agree with what the Irish fans have said. And have been very clear in such.

You seem to distinguish a difference between the opinions of the Irish and the Welsh though you are Pussyfooting about making your point...?

I have not seen any Irish fan disagree with me. Healy made a mistake, he has been unished and we should all move on.

I have seen you disagree with me - you and View are the only people I have seen who try and condone what Healy did. You take every chance you can get to mock, denigrate and insult the english in post after post and thread after thread. I am sick of your attitude.

Is that clear enough for you?

+2 LT

by Mickado Thu 14 Feb 2013, 3:33 pm

Is anyone still following the story or are you still bickering?

Looks like he could be released to play for Leinster this weekend. Given that his ban doesn't start until Sunday and all that. Makes a mockery out of the whole situation but the situation IS a mockery, if you want to ban someone for 4 weeks, then ban them for 4 weeks, not 3 weeks starting in 7 days!!

by **rodders** Thu 14 Feb 2013, 3:36 pm

Madness Mick, I hope they make him wear plastic studs ..... censored

by MrsP Thu 14 Feb 2013, 4:15 pm

Slippers?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41gsQtED0SL._SY395_.jpg

by gregortree Thu 14 Feb 2013, 4:58 pm

Ireland prop Cian Healy will miss two Six Nations games after being banned until 10 March for stamping on Dan Cole in Sunday's defeat by England. The loose-head was found guilty of "stamping or trampling on an opponent". Healy escaped without a yellow or red card from referee Jerome Garces during the match, but the front-rower was cited by citing
commissioner Alberto Recaldini of Italy.

I guess Alberto didn't bother check with the well informed 606 opinions first.

by MrsP Thu 14 Feb 2013, 5:20 pm

gregortree wrote:Ireland prop Cian Healy will miss two Six Nations games after being banned until 10 March for stamping on Dan Cole in Sunday's defeat by England. The loose-head was found guilty of "stamping or trampling on an opponent". Healy escaped without a yellow or red card from referee Jerome Garces during the match, but the front-rower was cited by citing
commissioner Alberto Recaldini of Italy.

I guess Alberto didn't bother check with the well informed 606 opinions first.

What are you talking about?

Who are these posters who disagreed with the citing?

Same as when you said,

"Re: Cian Healy - cited

by gregortree Yesterday at 9:26 pm
.

Quite nausea ting to see so many one eyed 'fans' jumping in to justify a plain act of illegal thuggery. The citing commissioners must have got this all wrong. They are supposed to have cited Cole for hitting Healy's boot with his ankle."

Who are these people who are seeking to justify Healy's actions?

It looks like you are the victim of your own assumptions there gregortree.

by Guest Thu 14 Feb 2013, 5:21 pm

gregortree wrote:Ireland prop Cian Healy will miss two Six Nations games after being banned until 10 March for stamping on Dan Cole in Sunday's defeat by England. The loose-head was found guilty of "stamping or trampling on an opponent". Healy escaped without a yellow or red card from referee Jerome Garces during the match, but the front-rower was cited by citing
commissioner Alberto Recaldini of Italy.

I guess Alberto didn't bother check with the well informed 606 opinions first.

Are there any on 606 that have said Healy shouldn't have been cited?

by MrsP Thu 14 Feb 2013, 6:10 pm

I doubt we'll get an answer Munchkin.

I tried yesterday.

Clearly facts and evidence aren't his thing!

by maestegmafia Thu 14 Feb 2013, 6:19 pm

I dont think anyone said that he shouldn't be cited and only View thought his actions were merited.

A good number of us disagreed that his actions were premeditated and intentionally dangerous, unfortunately that resulted in lots of name calling and accusations of intent to incite argument in a remarkably pathetic fashion.

by gregortree Thu 14 Feb 2013, 6:45 pm

Munchkin wrote:
gregortree wrote:Ireland prop Cian Healy will miss two Six Nations games after being banned until 10 March for stamping on Dan Cole in Sunday's defeat by England. The loose-head was found guilty of "stamping or trampling on an opponent". Healy escaped without a yellow or red card from referee Jerome Garces during the match, but the front-rower was cited by citing
commissioner Alberto Recaldini of Italy.

I guess Alberto didn't bother check with the well informed 606 opinions first.

Are there any on 606 that have said Healy shouldn't have been cited?

View thinks it was ok.

by Guest Thu 14 Feb 2013, 6:58 pm

gregortree wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
gregortree wrote:Ireland prop Cian Healy will miss two Six Nations games after being banned until 10 March for stamping on Dan Cole in Sunday's defeat by England. The loose-head was found guilty of "stamping or trampling on an opponent". Healy escaped without a yellow or red card from referee Jerome Garces during the match, but the front-rower was cited by citing
commissioner Alberto Recaldini of Italy.

I guess Alberto didn't bother check with the well informed 606 opinions first.

Are there any on 606 that have said Healy shouldn't have been cited?

View thinks it was ok.

Ah, right. So you were addressing that comment towards the opinion of a an individual poster? If that's true your comment really doesn't read that way.
Anywho, surely this thread has run out of legs now (no pun intended), as the same opinions are simply being recycled.
Dread to think what it will be like here if an English player losing the rag in the the next game boxing

for now

by gregortree Thu 14 Feb 2013, 7:11 pm

ok Munch

Until 16th March then, I fear then boxing

resumes

by yappysnap Thu 14 Feb 2013, 7:15 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Irish fans have treated this responsibly and fairly.

That's snide..!

Yes it was, it was also truthful - the Irish fans have been good as gold on this topic. Some (a minority) of english fans have not been great. Some welsh fans (a monority) have not been great.

Really...?

Can you point out where Welsh (excluding previous comments by View) and Irish fans who disagree with you differ in their opinion? I certainly agree with what the Irish fans have said. And have been very clear in such.

You seem to distinguish a difference between the opinions of the Irish and the Welsh though you are Pussyfooting about making your point...?

I have not seen any Irish fan disagree with me. Healy made a mistake, he has been unished and we should all move on.

I have seen you disagree with me - you and View are the only people I have seen who try and condone what Healy did. You take every chance you can get to mock, denigrate and insult the english in post after post and thread after thread. I am sick of your attitude.

Is that clear enough for you?

+1

I still sometimes like to read the Ashton bottling thread where Maes tries to insinuate that it was Ashtons fault.

by MrsP Thu 14 Feb 2013, 7:26 pm

gregortree wrote:Quite nausea ting to see so many one eyed 'fans' jumping in to justify a plain act of illegal thuggery. The citing commissioners must have got this all wrong. They are supposed to have cited Cole for hitting Healy's boot with his ankle.

gregortree wrote:I guess Alberto didn't bother check with the well informed 606 opinions first

gregortree wrote:View thinks it was ok.

So......just the one then?

And, he's not Irish?

See, in Belfast we use the phrase "so many" and the pleural "opinionS" in a very different way.

Does Hyperbole have a different meaning where you come from too?

Whistle

by Barney McGrew did it Thu 14 Feb 2013, 7:30 pm

Munchkin wrote:
gregortree wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
gregortree wrote:Ireland prop Cian Healy will miss two Six Nations games after being banned until 10 March for stamping on Dan Cole in Sunday's defeat by England. The loose-head was found guilty of "stamping or trampling on an opponent". Healy escaped without a yellow or red card from referee Jerome Garces during the match, but the front-rower was cited by citing
commissioner Alberto Recaldini of Italy.

I guess Alberto didn't bother check with the well informed 606 opinions first.

Are there any on 606 that have said Healy shouldn't have been cited?

View thinks it was ok.

Ah, right. So you were addressing that comment towards the opinion of a an individual poster? If that's true your comment really doesn't read that way.
Anywho, surely this thread has run out of legs now (no pun intended), as the same opinions are simply being recycled.
Dread to think what it will be like here if an English player losing the rag in the the next game

for now

Until his appeal come thro'

by Cyril Thu 14 Feb 2013, 7:38 pm

Can his ban be increased if he appeals and fails? I can never remember if this is the case with rugby bans like it is in other sports.

by glamorganalun Thu 14 Feb 2013, 7:42 pm

One eyed K Woods is the only other!

by yappysnap Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:02 pm

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:Can his ban be increased if he appeals and fails? I can never remember if this is the case with rugby bans like it is in other sports.

I think that has happened in the past, probably to a Frenchman if anyone.

by doctor_grey Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:08 pm

Keith Wood? I thought he was pretty fair:
Said about the stamp: He should have been sin binned.
Said about the punches Healy threw: He just lost it.
And at half time: The Ireland management need to gauge his mind-set to see if Healy is calm enough to come out and play the second half.

by neilthom7 Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:22 pm

Well I think this has just about run it's course so I am going to attempt to unify on here in a very subtle and understated way.
So what about that weather eh

by MrsP Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:23 pm

Don't be reasonable Grey!

Woods is Irish and therefore one-eyed by definition and must be added to the long list of Irish apologists supplied by gregor.

Very Happy

by Glas a du Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:25 pm

I thought Wood did a good job of trying to keep balance as the other three wanted him banned for life.

by yappysnap Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:26 pm

What did Wood say?

by Glas a du Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:29 pm

What Dr Grey said a few posts above.

by **LondonTiger** Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:31 pm

Best to go straight to the horse's mouth:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21435761

PS (it is clearly not a one eyed view)

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:33 pm

Is this thread really still rumbling on? I bet it's that wordsmith, MrsP, again!

by MrsP Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:41 pm

No Asbo!

Thread ended aaagggggesss ago.

Do try to keep up!

Very Happy

by doctor_grey Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:41 pm

Wood was clearly not happy about what he said, especially as someone who has green running through his veins. What Ireland player or supporter would be? But, as expected, he was fair and honest.

What I thought was more interesting was his discussion at halftime about the raw physicality of the match. Really great commentary.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:42 pm

I knew it. See how she's used the clever lengthening of the word ages to imply that Healy's ban is too long - typical warning

Don't be sucked in now, fellas

by Glas a du Thu 14 Feb 2013, 8:43 pm

Well, it is Valentine's day Whistle

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