2013 version 2.0 Wales vs England bickering thread.

[Biltong]

First topic message reminder :

Carry on your bickering here.

I was going to summarise the previous thread, but going through a thousand posts and ultimately it ends on goats, sheep on your 18th brithday that hangs around longer than strippers doesn't say much for the rest of the content.

Enjoy.

[Breadvan]

Never mind childish bickering I think we should really turn our collective attention to what looks like a potential banana skin against Wales in Cardiff.

England are far the better side, but we shouldn't be complacent as we all know that if Wales beat England they will consider their year a huge success. It's their very own little cup final and you can be sure they will put in an enormous effort to beat us to negate the misery of their inevitable slide further down the rankings.

OOOF! Straight in there....As the last B Maclaren would've said " They'll be dancing in the streets of Briton ferry tonight"

[Jimpy]

The slide has been arrested. Beat England and they will be heading up again. This thread will get really toxic over the next 17 days I fear.

Nonetheless, there appears to be amarked difference between the top four and the next ones down. There is a definate gap in terms of ability it would seem. What would it take to move Wales above England in terms of IRB points out of interest?

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

isn't this thread supposed to be toxic?

[LondonTiger]

The slide has been arrested. Beat England and they will be heading up again. This thread will get really toxic over the next 17 days I fear.

Nonetheless, there appears to be amarked difference between the top four and the next ones down. There is a definate gap in terms of ability it would seem. What would it take to move Wales above England in terms of IRB points out of interest?

England can only lose points against Italy (too far ahead to gain) so could drop to 82.30 if Italy win by +15.
Wales could rise to 82.31 if the beat Scotland by +15.

Thus if these two events happen Wales would be ahead of England

[fa0019]

a miracle.

I don't think Wales have ever got above 84 points even in their GS years. Does that mean that this England side is better than Wales have ever been (or at least since rankings began) in relation to their peers???

The way it goes I think it would be impossible for any 6N side to get above that figure unless they regularly beat 3N sides... or at least not lose.

ENG received near 2 points due to their win vs. NZ which has boosted them up significantly.

[lostinwales]

The slide has been arrested until Wales start playing SH teams again?

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

Never mind childish bickering I think we should really turn our collective attention to what looks like a potential banana skin against Wales in Cardiff.

England are far the better side, but we shouldn't be complacent as we all know that if Wales beat England they will consider their year a huge success. It's their very own little cup final and you can be sure they will put in an enormous effort to beat us to negate the misery of their inevitable slide further down the rankings.

OOOF! Straight in there....As the last B Maclaren would've said " They'll be dancing in the streets of Briton ferry tonight"

I was more a fan of the first Bill Maclaren personally

[Jimpy]

The slide has been arrested until Wales start playing SH teams again?

Yes, like Fiji

[LondonTiger]

a miracle.

I don't think Wales have ever got above 84 points even in their GS years. Does that mean that this England side is better than Wales have ever been (or at least since rankings began) in relation to their peers???

Their rankings have indeed never achieved the level England are currently at. This is mainly becuase their form has veered from the sublime to the ridiculous.

England's however has moved from OK to meh.

Thus the welsh form is like an unmedicated manic depressive with amazing highs and dreadfull lows. I guess this is why the welsh fan so often moves from hysteria to melancholia in the blink of an eye.

England's form is like someone on temazapam. All just a bit grey.

[Morgannwg]

Considering Wales have beaten England on the last two occassions without conceding a try, another win in the final round will be deemed 'business as usual.' So do get over yourselves arrogant England fans (this post is to the arrogant England fans only).

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

a miracle.

I don't think Wales have ever got above 84 points even in their GS years. Does that mean that this England side is better than Wales have ever been (or at least since rankings began) in relation to their peers???

Their rankings have indeed never achieved the level England are currently at. This is mainly becuase their form has veered from the sublime to the ridiculous.

England's however has moved from OK to meh.

Thus the welsh form is like an unmedicated manic depressive with amazing highs and dreadfull lows. I guess this is why the welsh fan so often moves from hysteria to melancholia in the blink of an eye.

England's form is like someone on temazapam. All just a bit grey.

200 tries in the 6N as opposed to 130..............I'll take the tremazapam all day long.

When were these Welsh highs? The Green Man festival in the Brecon Beacons was the only high I've ever witnessed in Wales.

[Breadvan]

Never mind childish bickering I think we should really turn our collective attention to what looks like a potential banana skin against Wales in Cardiff.

England are far the better side, but we shouldn't be complacent as we all know that if Wales beat England they will consider their year a huge success. It's their very own little cup final and you can be sure they will put in an enormous effort to beat us to negate the misery of their inevitable slide further down the rankings.

OOOF! Straight in there....As the last B Maclaren would've said " They'll be dancing in the streets of Briton ferry tonight"

I was more a fan of the first Bill Maclaren personally

Late.....

[Jimpy]

Considering Wales have beaten England on the last two occassions without conceding a try, another win in the final round will be deemed 'business as usual.' So do get over yourselves arrogant England fans (this post is to the arrogant England fans only).

As long as we beat the English...

(this post is to the lazy Welsh fans only).

[Morgannwg]

As long as we beat the English...... It's business as usual, remix!

[Biltong]

I think the England Wales game is going to be very interesting.

England started slowly, but then gathered momentum and Wales started poorly and also gathered momentum..

Who will win might be down to home advantage.

[Breadvan]

We're all arrogant. The audacity, the impudence, the unmitigated gaul for us to suggest England can win the 6N.

[gregortree]

arrogant, lazy, broken records, I'm loving this bickering thread.
We must thank Biltong for finding us a room for our lovefest.

[fa0019]

A lot depends on the next round.

If England blows Italy away (very possible given their record at Twickenham) I think the attempt could be near impossible for Wales to achieve and it would dampen their morale.

Thats even if they beat us at Murrayfield.

A big win for England vs. Italy I think will put enough wind in their sails to take them past Wales. If they are fully fit and full of confidence I doubt Wales can stop them.

Nervy win vs. Italy on the other hand could put the control in Wales' corner.

[Breadvan]

Spot on fa. The outcomes of the next round of games sets the tone for the 16th..

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

I think the England Wales game is going to be very interesting.

England started slowly, but then gathered momentum and Wales started poorly and also gathered momentum..

Who will win might be down to home advantage.

As a self imposed mod, Biltong I must warn you to keep your posts on topic, your serious rugby posts do not belong on this thread. I don't want to have to ban you from your own thread.

[Biltong]

My apologies. What I meant to say was that england's dad is bigger than Wales' dad.

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

A lot depends on the next round.

If England blows Italy away (very possible given their record at Twickenham) I think the attempt could be near impossible for Wales to achieve and it would dampen their morale.

Thats even if they beat us at Murrayfield.

A big win for England vs. Italy I think will put enough wind in their sails to take them past Wales. If they are fully fit and full of confidence I doubt Wales can stop them.

Nervy win vs. Italy on the other hand could put the control in Wales' corner.

fa, that goes for you too

[fa0019]

A lot depends on the next round.

If England blows Italy away (very possible given their record at Twickenham) I think the attempt could be near impossible for Wales to achieve and it would dampen their morale.

Thats even if they beat us at Murrayfield.

A big win for England vs. Italy I think will put enough wind in their sails to take them past Wales. If they are fully fit and full of confidence I doubt Wales can stop them.

Nervy win vs. Italy on the other hand could put the control in Wales' corner.

fa, that goes for you too

Is Wales even a country? Should they even be allowed to compete in test internationals?

World Cup - is that better????

[Biltong]

Fa, for that effort you barely qualify for 4/10

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

fa, much better, can't have this thread descending in to reason. We must be on guard against that type of thing.

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

Fa, for that effort you barely qualify for 4/10

Biltong you're a fine one to talk. Your bicker is quite frankly pathetic.

[100%beefy]

Fa, for that effort you barely qualify for 4/10

Biltong you're a fine one to talk. Your bicker is quite frankly pathetic.

[LondonTiger]

Well after all, South Wales is just a series of conurbations on the M4. thus an extension of the Thames Valley, thus really just an extension of London.

North Wales - an extension of Merseyside.

Leaving us with West Wales - the genuine one true region

[Luckless Pedestrian]

We're all arrogant. The audacity, the impudence, the unmitigated gaul for us to suggest England can win the 6N.

Philippe Saint-Andre?

[Biltong]

Fa, for that effort you barely qualify for 4/10

Biltong you're a fine one to talk. Your bicker is quite frankly pathetic.

at least I tried.

[LondonTiger]

Fa, for that effort you barely qualify for 4/10

Biltong you're a fine one to talk. Your bicker is quite frankly pathetic.

at least I tried.

which is more than chris ashton is managing

[Morgannwg]

Well after all, South Wales is just a series of conurbations on the M4. thus an extension of the Thames Valley, thus really just an extension of London.

North Wales - an extension of Merseyside.

Leaving us with West Wales - the genuine one true region

Odd to see you not talking sense, but none the less for this post alone.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Can we please not mention Chris Ashton? I know he's not playing well, but I have nighmares of him doing the flucking 'Ash Splash' in Cardiff.

[Jimpy]

Can we please not mention Chris Ashton? I know he's not playing well, but I have nighmares of him doing the flucking 'Ash Splash' in Cardiff.

He'll be going over for at least two I would imagine.

[gregortree]

Fa, for that effort you barely qualify for 4/10

Biltong you're a fine one to talk. Your bicker is quite frankly pathetic.

at least I tried.

Biltong, I suspect from your efforts your heart just isn't in this.
Are you sure you are either England or Wales qualified ?

[Breadvan]

We're all arrogant. The audacity, the impudence, the unmitigated gaul for us to suggest England can win the 6N.

Philippe Saint-Andre?

lol. There was a prog on ESPN Classic about the Eng/France rivalry over the years, lates 90's- 06. Its was a good watch and PSA, then Sale coach, was quite funny.

[Biltong]

Fa, for that effort you barely qualify for 4/10

Biltong you're a fine one to talk. Your bicker is quite frankly pathetic.

at least I tried.

Biltong, I suspect from your efforts your heart just isn't in this.
Are you sure you are either England or Wales qualified ?

Not really mate, my ancestors are from France and the Netherlands, so perhaps I should take the age old rivalry between France and England more seriously?

[gregortree]

Biltong
We already did for France, but due to language issues you do not see much French bickering on here.
Visser is a Dutchman playing for Scotland so you could root for Scotland when they meet Wales next.
And England have Barritt - so you could root for England come the 16th.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Ah but Biltong, Ian Evans was born in Johannesburg, so you should support Wales.

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

Ah but Biltong, Ian Evans was born in Johannesburg, so you should support Wales.

So with that logic, with Lydiate, JD, North and Cuthbert all being born in England, glad to have you aboard LP

[Luckless Pedestrian]

My mum's English anyway - just don't tell anyone!

[A World Cup and 3 Finals]

Always thought your posts were 50% okay

[Taffineastbourne]

At least Wales predominantly pick British lads.Shame that England aren't so fussy.
Bit half hearted,I grant you!

[ScarletSpiderman]

Ah but Biltong, Ian Evans was born in Johannesburg, so you should support Wales.

So with that logic, with Lydiate, JD, North and Cuthbert all being born in England, glad to have you aboard LP

Thats why they played poorly in the first fixture (or not at all in Lydiates case), in order to give England a head start. See they are nice boys really.

[Biltong]

At least Wales predominantly pick British lads.Shame that England aren't so fussy.
Bit half hearted,I grant you!

it does seem they're a bit more desperate hence not being too fussy.

[gregortree]

Ah but Biltong, Ian Evans was born in Johannesburg, so you should support Wales.

So with that logic, with Lydiate, JD, North and Cuthbert all being born in England, glad to have you aboard LP

Thats why they played poorly in the first fixture (or not at all in Lydiates case), in order to give England a head start. See they are nice boys really.

English fifth columnists. Wait and see what they can do for the mother country on the 16th.

[Dontheman]

The slide has been arrested until Wales start playing SH teams again?

Yes, like Fiji

Who we last played 18 months ago in NZ and beat 66-0!

[Jimpy]

The slide has been arrested until Wales start playing SH teams again?

Yes, like Fiji

Who we last played 18 months ago in NZ and beat 66-0!

I'm sure Wales have played plenty of rubbish teams since then and lost.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Well we lost to Argentina in the autumn, and they went out at the quarter-final stage of the World Cup like England did, so yes, I suppose they must be rubbish.

[LondonTiger]

Well we lost to Argentina in the autumn, and they went out at the quarter-final stage of the World Cup like England did, so yes, I suppose they must be rubbish.

And Samoa? Or is that expunged from the record books?


Honestly anyone banging on about Wales great RWC11 - when they only beat one half decent team (Ireland) is as daft as.... well anyone who bangs on about England almost winning RWC07 where again there was only one decent win (v Aus) and a semi win over a French team that could not handle the pressure (and as NZ fans will tell us only made the semi due to Wayne Barnes).

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