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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	19	15	1	3	484	420	+64	53	39	0	3	65
2	Harlequins	19	13	0	6	496	459	+37	54	48	3	5	60
3	Gloucester	19	13	0	6	492	443	+49	56	45	3	4	59
4	Newcastle Falcons	19	11	1	7	474	441	+33	50	41	1	7	54
5	Sale Sharks	19	11	0	8	484	455	+29	52	46	2	8	54
6	Northampton Saints	19	10	1	8	476	459	+17	50	47	2	7	51
7	London Irish	19	10	0	9	479	465	+14	51	46	2	8	50
8	London Welsh	17	8	3	8	446	433	+13	47	42	0	8	46
9	Bath Rugby	19	9	0	10	449	462	-13	44	49	0	8	44
10	Saracens	19	4	1	14	393	479	-86	34	52	0	7	25
11	Worcester Warriors	19	3	1	15	411	465	-54	36	51	1	9	24
12	London Wasps	19	3	0	16	378	481	-103	33	54	0	12	24

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by stnick88 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:41 am

Forgot about Robson. Good shout.

I reckon Wood will go Lions.

Although Wilson does a job, I'd like to see someone else get a chance like Thomas.

by Steven_Sharks Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:41 am

I would consider starting Thomas at th. If wood isn't a lion Iam warning you now to expect a hissy fit from me

by dammit_chris Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:45 am

Wood surely a Lion?!

Wilson for me wouldn't take us forward, but is a good sub to have, have liked the look of Thomas, seems a good ball carrier and scrummager.

Would rather Hartley get the starting jersey back as was disappointed with Youngs' performances in some of the games, he needs to have more game time at no2 for club and learn more from the bench for England.

Pooly if Foden's form is so dire, what has JJ done to warrant a place in the starting lineup - Daly, Tomkins both in better form at present

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:48 am

Thomas isn't better than Wilson so wont start.

Hartley showed nothing when he came on , Youngs is the way forward.

JJ is in by default as we have no other 13's playing well enough. SL is also a big fan apparently and he has Int experience.

by Guest Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:48 am

I think dan Robson may get on the tour so they can have a look at him. Been excellent all year for glos.

Think kruis will also tour

by Guest Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:49 am

Youngs can't throw in so is definitely not the way forward.
Decent impact sub but for me one of SL mistakes is picking youngs

by stnick88 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:52 am

Its all about balance in the centre though. Barritt and Tomkins are both good defenders but I'd prefer someone like JJ who can make something happen out of nothing. 12T is a big strong lad who can break the gainline as well as be creative. Look at his stats v Scotland. Very impressive.

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:54 am

Youngs throwing was ok, no worse than Hartleys anyway.

by dammit_chris Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:56 am

I do really like JJ Nick, think he's a very talented player and like you say he can make something out of nothing.

I've liked the look of Tomkins in recent weeks, his offloading game is very good, but I don't think he has the pace to make it at the top level, unless he was converted to a 12.

Wasps biased would like to see Daly tour.

Just going to be difficult getting the right balance of experience and youth against Argentina without getting hammered.

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:57 am

Another good win for the Chiefs in Super XV this morning. beat the Highlanders 17-9, all points scored by TNW and Anscombe. Those boys are on fire.

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:58 am

JJ needs to step up a gear to get back in the England mix. On form a very good player, and a real attacking threat, but I kind of agree with Brian Smith that actually his long term future is in the back 3.

by dammit_chris Fri 22 Mar 2013, 10:58 am

I like Youngs in the loose, but Hartley's setpiece for me is far better - best example the Ireland game, but then again against Wales where Youngs' throwing was really tested by a lineout that I don't particularly rate.

Youngs an ideal impact sub - did so well when he came on against France, best way to get him the experience too.

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:00 am

Youngs has been much better than Hartley over the 6N so I'd start him.

If anything we need to find a replacement for Hartley. he was shocking against France, his set piece was poor and he offers nothing in terms of carrying.

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:04 am

Young has not been 'much better' than Hartley.

They offer different things. Youngs offers dynamism and carrying, which is always going to make him more noticable.

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:06 am

I disagree, I think Youngs has been impressive.

Hartley has struggled and has looked poor when he's come on.

by Guest Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:06 am

To be fair against France parling admitted the lineout was his mistake.

I would look at grey as a potential option scrummages well and throws in well.

Would also be keen to start trying to bring through some young hookers.

Hartley has more of a brain than youngs who is famous for being a bit dim. Hartley a better player full stop for me.

Hibbard had a great tournament and showed what hooker needs to be able to do

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:09 am

Pooly, I sometimes think you and me watch different games mate. Very Happy

I think Youngs has done ok in some areas, and I now rate him higher than I did before, but he still has a long way to go to be a starting international hooker. His physicality will only get him so far, he needs to improve his set piece work massively.

by stnick88 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:09 am

I'd start Hartley and have Youngs as impact sub.

Daly deserves to be involved, would just like to see him play 13 reguarly for Wasps.

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:11 am

We all have opinions Pete.

I just don't rate Hartley at all, don't think he bring much to the game.

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:17 am

Steven_Sharks wrote:I would consider starting Thomas at th. If wood isn't a lion Iam warning you now to expect a hissy fit from me

I'd be a little surprised if Wood tours, I think SOB is a definate. That leaves probably one or maybe two spaces for blindsides. I think Lydiate will go due to Welsh bias and that will leave one spot to either Brown/POM/Wood. I think Brown may go ahead of Wood.

by stnick88 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:20 am

Exactly it is all about opinions. We all rate players differently.

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:24 am

Nobody's opinion is more valid, it's just opinions.

I've never rated Hartley and Youngs is obviously surpassed him as he starts ahead of him.

by Guest Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:27 am

I think Pom Is miles away from a lions spot. Had an average 6n.

by dammit_chris Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:29 am

Lancaster is loyal to his players and Hartley screwed up when he got suspended last year - best game Youngs has was when he came on as an impact sub.

If the hookers role was all about running around and carrying then yes Youngs has surpassed Hartley, but Hartley has better set piece, more experience and leadership qualities and you'd never have seen Walsh talking to Hartley like he did to Youngs.

Youngs needs more game time at hooker, gives away too many penalties for me and has to sort out his throwing as first and foremost a hookers role is to secure ball for his team at the setpiece and then anything else is a bonus.

by Fluxy Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:32 am

Yeah I agree that we should be building, but we weren't going to make all of those changes halfway through the competition when we were chasing the title.

by DHLS07 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:37 am

Youngs is still a centre playing hooker. When it came to the crunch his basics failed. I think he could well come good, he's come a long way in a short period.

by dammit_chris Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:37 am

If everyone was on top form then I think I would like to see the following team for England:

1. Corbs
2. Hartley
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Parling
6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Morgan
9. Care/Youngs (both too inconsistent atm)
10. Farrell
11. Ashton
12. Twelvetrees
13. Tuilagi
14. May
15. Foden

Then an impact bench of:

16. Youngs 17. Vunipola 18. Thomas 19. Lawes 20. Vunipola 21. Care/Youngs 22. Burns 23. Joseph

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:38 am

Hartley isn't behind Youngs because SL is loyal, it's because Youngs is a better player

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:40 am

If neither Youngs or Hartley go with the Lions, I think Hartley will start ahead of Youngs against Argentina.

by DHLS07 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:43 am

Hartley's better set piece work will be needed against Argentina, so I hope that Lancaster selects him ahead of Youngs there. Sometimes it has to be a horses for courses selection.

by Fluxy Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:50 am

LAwes is no impact sub, more a backward sub

by dammit_chris Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:50 am

Would be good to see Hartley and Youngs go against each other for their clubs - could see Hartley doing a number on him in the set piece, but Youngs getting more in the loose.

Never really seen anything from Youngs that makes me think he deserves to start ahead of Hartley, other than his ball carrying.

by dammit_chris Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:50 am

Fluxy - Lawes impact against Ireland was very good, until he knocked himself out.

Was crap when he played at 6, but he isnt a 6.

by Fluxy Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:52 am

Doesn't offer anything mate, decent at the lineout and okay alright defensively. But we have players that offer that and more.

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:54 am

Youngs is a better scrummager imo.

Hartley has poor technique, he pops up every other scrum.

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:54 am

I can't wait for the Lions squad announcement now. At least then we will.also know who will be available for England.

by Fluxy Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:55 am

I think that what excites my outlook for England, knowing who will get a chance in Argentina.

by stnick88 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 11:59 am

we have such a big pool of players to pick from.

when you think of the quality of some of the players that arent getting a look in. Armitage and Sheridan being prime examples.

by Steven_Sharks Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:04 pm

Wood has to tour surely. He was excellent throughout the 6N. I can't see how he is left behind if the best back rowers are taken.

He had a better 6N than SOB, Warburton, Jones, POM, Robshaw and Brown for my money. Only Tipuric and Picamoles impressed me more as back row forwards.

I think I'd take Wood, Robshaw, Tipuric, Warburton, SOB, Brown and Faletau, Heaslip.

Morgan and Lydiate are out of contention for me as they didn't play 6N.

by Steven_Sharks Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:05 pm

When is it announced Pete?

by stnick88 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:06 pm

I wouldnt take Heaslip over Beattie or Morgan.

Beattie had the best carrying stats for any of the 8's.

by Steven_Sharks Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:10 pm

He might be involved in Top 14 though Nick is my thinking. Phillips very unlikely to get to the latter stages of the Top 14 so he isn't such and issue but Montpellier have a chance.

If he goes there is a good chance he starts though as he has been brilliant. Watched him in person play against Sale and he was the best player on the pitch.

by Sgt_Pooly Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:13 pm

Heaslip possibly 3/4th best 8, hope he doesn't tour

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:17 pm

Interesting looking at the AP lineups for the weekend. Loads of players who played 6 Nations are playing. Cole, both Youngs, Flood and Tuilagi all start for Leicester.

by Guest Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:24 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Heaslip possibly 3/4th best 8, hope he doesn't tour

I am so glad you are not involved in selection of the lions

by stnick88 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:28 pm

I agree with him. I'd have Heaslip as 4th best 8 on form. Vunipola has been on better form than him also! (not suggesting he should tour before anyone goes off on one!)

Irish team looks strong doesnt it Pete. Tagicakibau and Joseph to come off the bench is some serious impact in the backline. Last thing tired legs will want.

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:32 pm

Does mate, gutted I can't go tomorrow. I reckon we will win comfortably.

by Guest Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:34 pm

Heaslip been immense for Leinster and had 2 poor games in 6n. You need experience and characters on a lions tour. He was great vs Wales and good against France

I think making him captain and Ireland being
Poor has affected him but I would have him in my team every week.

Just offers
More than the others and reads a game

by Guest Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:35 pm

Is tagi bench because he is out of form ?

by stnick88 Fri 22 Mar 2013, 12:38 pm

No. Long story.

I would start him over Ojo.

Yarde is undroppable in great form and highest work rate out of all our wingers.

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