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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:33 pm

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:05 am

It's not though is it.

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:11 am

As the commentator described it " he was like a turnstile "

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:23 am

Folau getting better and better. Great athlete. Still a bit raw but what talent

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:33 am

Folau is qaulity - if he had come over a couple of seasons ago (when I signed him on here) instead of going to Aussie rules I am sure he'd now be best fb in the world.

If he stays in union I think they will move him to 13, as has all the attributes to be very good there.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:38 am

Cruden's defence is pretty dire. If you are gonna knock Cooper for it then you have to see the same in Cruden.

Folau excellent. Chiefs miss Kerr-Barlow.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:40 am

Cooper's defence is much worse than Crudens, I've never seen an issue with Crudens defence tbh

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Post by stnick88 Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:43 am

Pooly you must have seen issues with his defence. Anyone who watches him can see that.

He falls in to the Cooper, iHumph, Burns, Cipriani category.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:44 am

I think his technique & attitude is spot on, never seen an issue

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:46 am

He certainly is an open door in defence.

I agree nick he is in that bracket.

You can tell a bad defender by the way they fly up out of position

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:46 am

His technique is shocking. If you are as small as him you go low yet cruden always tackles high hence gets bumped off and ran through

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:47 am

Dreadful defending folau I think

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:22 pm

Irish have signed Jimmy Stevens, Jonny Harris and Alex Lewington from Tigers.

We've talked about lewington, a talent. Harris has had game time for tigers. I've got Harris and Stevens in my academy but they don't qualify next year. Not sure if they will play enough to keep them in my senior squad.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:24 pm

Is Lewington on loan at Nottingham?

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Post by stnick88 Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:25 pm

Stevens will be 3rd choice hooker behind Paice and Mayhew so I doubt will play much.

Harris might play a bit. Not sure if he is any good?

Lewington will probably be 5th choice behind Yarde, Tagicakibau, Fenby and Ojo but will get some game time and maybe some game time at FB.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:30 pm

See that betting has been stopped on the Lions captain by all major bookies - pretty much confirmed that Warburton will be named as captain from the sounds of it.

Hope Robshaws form picks up a bit in the last few games, as he could be in danger of missing out if he isn't careful!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:34 pm

Warburton will be terrible choice imo, he's not a good captain

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:37 pm

Only won a Grand Slam and took Wales to the World Cup semi to be fair to him.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:38 pm

Would say though that there aren't any Scots or English that would be guaranteed a start and are good enough to captain.

Then you look at the Irish and you'd hve to say that if POC is picked would his body hold up to play enough games, and would BOD get ahead of Tuilagi.


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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:43 pm

Lewington played for tigers quite a few times this year. Every LV cup game I think.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:45 pm

Steven_Sharks wrote:Only won a Grand Slam and took Wales to the World Cup semi to be fair to him.

Then got dropped and lost the captaincy after 8 straight losses.

I'm not saying he's a poor player as on form he's quality but his game has steadily declined whilst being captain. It's not a coincidence his form picked up when he lost the Welsh captaincy.

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:26 pm

If Robshaw had not had a form meltdown he may have been captain. Warburton is back in form and probably the only choice.

It's hard picking a lions captain as there are no standouts

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:27 pm

Ozzie pundits desperate for Genia/Cooper half back pairing for the Lions. Stuart Barnes agrees with them whilst Morris hopes Cooper is 10 from Lions point of view. Can't wait for Reds v Brumbies tomorrow.

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:24 pm

I would have cooper if I was Australia I would also be happy to see him there against the lions if I was lions management.

On song he is great.

Yes his defence is poor like crudens but he imposes himself on a game more.

With the right backline he is dynamite. Can't agree with Aussie super. 15 analysts saying tapui is best 12 in oz.

Very heavy Queensland bias on that show full stop

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Post by Fluxy Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:28 pm

He his decent, more of a 13 I think though. Lealifiano is probably the best, but I preferred him at ten like last year. Touma would be a decent ten for Oz

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:38 pm

Lealifano has been best 12 in Aus, should be starting for Aus.

I'd be happy seeing Cooper start at 10, he rarely performs on Int stage and can def be got at. They have some tough choices in the backline

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:46 pm

Didn't know Berrick Barnes had confirmed going to Japan:

"Mitchell is moving to French club Toulon, Berrick Barnes is leaving for the Panasonic Wild Knights in Japan, Sitaleki Timani is headed for Montpellier in France, and there are question marks over Wycliff Palu and at least one other Test forward."

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:47 pm

Rumours Folau going back to RL next season too?!?! What was the point in 1 season?

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:51 pm

Best when fit is Barnes by a million miles and is proven world class .

Leilafano looks great and balanced footballer. A really great option. Love footballing 12s second 5/8 as nz call it.

Two great options. Leilafano will get opportunity but against lions and with cooper Barnes offers that option of stability and that pressure off that will be key.

McCabe a good 12
Also. Aussies have depth to burn in some positions. Barnes would walk any international side. A backline of Genia cooper Joc Barnes AAC ioane Beale/Folau
Is as good as it gets. Has a
Total blend and also has options to interchange

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:53 pm

Not seen Barnes confirmed. Seen plenty rumours and think it will happen but he has said it will be a season then back kind of thing.
Think Brian Moore saying it will be like the Indian IPL with a all star brief
Tournament will come true.

Be so many players queuing up to do it. gloucester rebuild coming on I think

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:53 pm

Palu confirmed other day I read

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:56 pm

Read that kankowski cannot find form after playing in Japan and nonu likewise so it may lose appeal.

Plumtree dropped kankowski and steyn again this week and said neither
has any form to
Play.

A 12
Week tournament in Japan with big money would attract so many players.

Next year Bekker Kahui Barnes Etc
Over there is massive

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:01 pm

I heard Barnes 2 years

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:05 pm

"Centre search Waratahs coach Michael Cheika has been hard at work looking for a centre to replace the departing Berrick Barnes and an announcement from Moore Park could come as soon as next week. Barnes is due to join Japanese club Panasonic Wild Knights after the third Bledisloe Test in late October and while Test centre Rob Horne was moved to No. 12 early this season, we hear Cheika wants another quality No. 12 with a strong kicking game. Centres are in short supply at the moment, with most contracted around Australia. The Force, who announced the signing of Reds outside back Luke Morahan this week, are also chasing Brumbies centre Zack Holmes as well as his teammate, halfback Ian Prior."

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Post by Fluxy Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:09 pm

I didn't realise Bekker was going to Japan - great.

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:24 pm

Yes Fluxy but it looks like they will shorten Japan season and players will come
And go. The njq rule is being relaxed so it could be all star stuff/
For me it could be 12 month seasons and quality dropping.

Agree with geech about ap and Rabo hurting lions by not shortening season

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:43 pm

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Barnes will Not go. Carter I reckon but apparently for 5 months so not a problem.

Kahui confirmed. If I were nz I would offer him the world to stay as they look light at back 3/ centre if any injuries. Gear and Savea in huge form but that's about it."

" by anonmattyt Today at 9:53 pm
Not seen Barnes confirmed. Seen plenty rumours and think it will happen but he has said it will be a season then back kind of thing."

Soon changed your mind Wink

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:14 pm

Yes pooly changed my mind because it happened.

Do you want me to go and find quotes where you said gill was dreadful and many others?

Sport ebbs and flows and is a soap opera.

I never imagined ferris or Barnes who are quite young would give up international rugby for money. It will be short term but to me I find it crazy you would give up the pinnacle of rugby at that age.

A lot of players say they are considering options else where through agents to get better contracts.

To search back a month of posts to find something says a lot about your social life Whistle

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Post by Fluxy Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:17 pm

To be honest Matt, a lot of the stuff you say is about your players mainly.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:20 pm

Took 2 mins, don't worry about it Wink

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:20 pm

Fluxy wrote:To be honest Matt, a lot of the stuff you say is about your players mainly.

You've noticed lol

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:32 pm

I would love to go and watch the Japan league. Meant to be very amusing.

I went to Japan for the football World Cup and watched the England game when we lost to brazil.
They have a thing where if you are drunk anything you do is ok and you cannot be held accountable.

In a culture where not holding an umbrella the right way can lead to social exclusion it is an oddity.

We were in bars and locals would be throwing beer on themselves grabbing women etc and the next day everyone walks
round like nothing happened. Genius.

Did anyone see the review of Aussie 7s on sky? Great lineup. I can see smith being 6 where they lack a good option. We would kill for any of them.

For such a small playing group Aussies produce such talent.

Fluxy I am the most 1 eyed glos fan their is. All reason leaves with glos.

Who do you support Fluxy ?


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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:41 pm

Oz backs so tough to pick. A choice of Beale, JOC, Folau, Mogg at 15 and even the likes of AAC could do a job.

Oz should really have the best backline in the world.

I am starting to get worried about the Oz pack. Horwill be great of late and without injuries they will be bloody competitive.

Genia so vital though Oz should wrap him up in cotton wool. For me he is probably the best player in the world.


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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:44 pm

Fluxy wrote:To be honest Matt, a lot of the stuff you say is about your players mainly.

Last posts re players = cruden AAC folau lelifano Barnes saull Robshaw warburton Kahui tapui Bosch welch

About 60% not
Mine 40% mine a good balance.

Check out my lack of social life Sad . Had my house move completion postponed today with no further date. Could kill the person who looks like backing out !!

Will vent my anger against borthick tomorrow.

Reckon we could get a stuffing. We are sarries bogey side at home.
They have won their once ever but they are a proper team and play great away rugby.

36 and Trinder is a poor defensive duo as Trinder has so little discipline and 36 has to help burns.add
In cook and his catastrophes and we may struggle .

Savage captain as is rumoured for next year. Also rumours that George is signing getting stronger. Fingers crossed. Young Britton starts again tomorrow. Darts apart he is quality

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Post by Guest Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:48 pm

Steven_Sharks wrote:Oz backs so tough to pick. A choice of Beale, JOC, Folau, Mogg and even the likes of AAC could do a job.

Oz should really have the best backline in the world.

I am starting to get worried about the Oz pack. Horwill be great of late and without injuries they will be bloody competitive.

Genia so vital though Oz should wrap him up in cotton wool. For me he is probably the best player in the world.

Best options Steve. Great thing is most of them are proper footballers and can play multiple positions. JOC said deans said he is a 10 or wing.

For me he is Wing or 13. I hope they do not ruin him. Best talent i have seen. Just let him play one position.

For me folau looks great but have seen him make awful try costing tackles today and first game so still raw. That said for first season jeez. His change of pace step and strength is top. Lovely offloads. NRL produces players of rare talent. Super league produces bouncers

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Post by Guest Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:12 am

Who are people's foreign targets ?

This Japan exodus is hitting me. May need a centre now and cannot think of one who good enough.

Hoping nz pull the cash out to keep Kahui.

Want the blues 6 also as main target.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:52 am

Busy last night Matt

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Post by Guest Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:08 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Busy last night Matt

Always busy pooly. Had my entire weekend cancelled by not moving. Only positive is I get to go and watch glos get a beating from sarries

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:38 am

Where you off to then? Closer to the smoke?

Chris, do Wasps have a reserve game at Adams park this week? Stuck at High Wycombe Mon-Fri

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:42 am

Aaron Smith looking sharp

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:45 am

Ben Smith looking quality, just eased past Guildford like he wasn't there

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