Scotland Coach

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Breaking news; Mark Dodson, SR CEO, announces "We have concluded our search for a head coach and will announce that in coming weeks."

Any Ideas? sounds like its someone still in a job

Biltong wrote:Oh, no mate, I will be targeting to win them all. Simply just outscore them.

That's where we've been going wrong all these years!

RDW_Scotland wrote:

Biltong wrote:Oh, no mate, I will be targeting to win them all. Simply just outscore them.

That's where we've been going wrong all these years!

Told you that you need me.

what is this "out scoring" thing you mention?

Are you saying there is a point to rugby other than just defending valiantly?

Jeez. Next you will be wanting our half backs to run and pass rather than hoofing it down the pitch!!!

RDW_Scotland wrote:

Biltong wrote:Oh, no mate, I will be targeting to win them all. Simply just outscore them.

That's where we've been going wrong all these years!

Although if you're Welsh, even being outscored doesn't mean that you lose. Not necessarily.

Hey, hey, we're not interested in moral victories, we are dealing with the real thing here.

I seriously think winning is over-rated when talking about rugby. It's oversold. It's over-promoted. It's just lazy thinking to believe winning matters.

You think that will help to get the job?

Say it anyway...it can't hurt..... It'll display outside-of-the-box thinking.

well Wayne Smith has ruled himself out. http://www.3news.co.nz/Wayne-Smith-quashes-links-to-Scotland-coaching-role/tabid/415/articleID/296956/Default.aspx#ixzz2Sg1CGKwa

Prepare for the worst boys, Matt Williams is coming back!

Who can it be then?? Those two were the clear front runners in terms of current Super XV coaches.

Must be Blackadder?

Wayne Smith - Dr No.

"No. - No way. - No, not me. - No I was never approached. - No, I didn't even want it - No, not this time."

I'll be surprised when I hear he's linked to a "yes" comment one of these days

Toonie?

That's a real shame. Has to be Blackadder, really.

Blackadder: "Deny everything, Baldrick".

Darling: "Are you Private Baldrick?".

Baldrick: "No".

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Toonie?

That thought occured to me as well - works with the whole 3 weeks timing. They don't want to distract him from the playoffs. It would also make sense with respect to the Humphreys appointment - i.e. they did consult the next head coach by running it past Toonie and Johnson, both insiders so no leaks.

They could then appoint a couple of Scottish coaches to take up the helm at Edinburgh and Glasgow, and tick all the patriotic "we are developing Scottish coaches" boxes.

Sadly none of that would have anything to do with appointing the best person for the job, but the SRU have never shown any interest in that philosophy anyway....

For christ sake lads, wash your mouths out.

It cannot possibly be Toonie. Craig Chalmers would have an aneurysm and picket naked with a picture of Mark Dodson over his todger outside Murrayfield for a month.

It would be a terrible lackof ambition not to bring someone new into the coaching set up.

I'd rather have P Divvy than Toonie.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Toonie?

That thought occured to me as well - works with the whole 3 weeks timing. They don't want to distract him from the playoffs. It would also make sense with respect to the Humphreys appointment - i.e. they did consult the next head coach by running it past Toonie and Johnson, both insiders so no leaks.

They could then appoint a couple of Scottish coaches to take up the helm at Edinburgh and Glasgow, and tick all the patriotic "we are developing Scottish coaches" boxes.

Sadly none of that would have anything to do with appointing the best person for the job, but the SRU have never shown any interest in that philosophy anyway....

Next year there won't be an Irish coach left in Ireland. Four Kiwis and a Wallaby.

You've still got me guys......

Let's be clear, he wouldnae be my pick, however I think we all forget that this is the SRU we are dealing with here....

they are Fannies!

Just saying I will be able to make a public statement on Friday but for now

Be prepared for martin Johnson on the basis he nearly did well whilst coaching England and doesn't like losing very much.

Or can it honestly be a coincidence that Alex Ferguson's left united? The SRU have realised that it's called Rugby Football and he is/was a football manager therefore he's perfect for the job.

If Srallex were to be given the Scotland job, we'd get three straight wooden spoons, then dominate world rugby for the next twenty years.

Street children from Beijing to Bogota, from Los Angeles to Lagos would all be wearing Macron shirts of navy blue and gold, and the effigy of Mark Bennett would be carved into totem poles and painted on cave walls by peoples who have yet to master the art of writing.

Sorry to have to break this news to scottish fans but there is a strong chance that the next Scotland coach will be Dai Young, currently at Wasps. Scott Johnson is a big fan who has previously stated that he rates Dai Young very highly as a coach and would like to work with him in the future.

The SRU statement also stated that the coach is currently employed at a club which more or less rules out a southern hemisphere based appointment.

IanBru wrote:If Srallex were to be given the Scotland job, we'd get three straight wooden spoons, then dominate world rugby for the next twenty years.

Street children from Beijing to Bogota, from Los Angeles to Lagos would all be wearing Macron shirts of navy blue and gold, and the effigy of Mark Bennett would be carved into totem poles and painted on cave walls by peoples who have yet to master the art of writing.

Wed also bring through an aesthetically challenged scouser, a blatantly gay guy who shares his name with a former legend whos gone fat (McBlanco), a canoodling welshman in shinglergate 2, and a scotsman with a runny bottom. Weve already got the prolific dutchman. We'll become known for keeping the ball in play after the final whistle if were losing, and the english will start throwing money around to catch up.

I am 99% sure it is Mallett. He's coaching the SA Barbarians for their game vs Saracens on the 16th of May in England, therefore he is under contract by a club. So I think it must be him or perhaps Blackadder.

So what we're saying as a collective is that we haven't got a scooby.

I'm willing to bet £10 its Mallett

But yes it does seem there is no obvious choice at this time.

I'll be very upset if it is Mallet, we need him here in SA

I hope you're right bsando, we really could do with someone of Mallett's caliber

I reckon Mallet would be ok, but the biggest problem with Scotland is selection.

Do we really want someone who played Bergamasco at 9?

I’ve never understood where all the enthusiasm for Mallet comes from – he didn’t do overly much coaching Italy, who are a team with similar resources and player base to Scotland.

And as has been mentioned regarding Bergamasco – what happens if he decide Kelly Brown deserves a run at 9??

SRU couldn't announce the new head coach as he was currently employed by another club; clearly Sir Alex Ferguson fancies doing a Sir Clive Woodward in reverse and turning his Midas touch to the oval ball game.

RDW_Scotland wrote:I’ve never understood where all the enthusiasm for Mallet comes from – he didn’t do overly much coaching Italy, who are a team with similar resources and player base to Scotland.

And as has been mentioned regarding Bergamasco – what happens if he decide Kelly Brown deserves a run at 9??

More likely to see Johnnie Beattie at 10 (not a bad boot on him, and slightly more consistent than Rhubarb... Kellock's attempt at a clearing kick for Glasgow a few weeks ago was something else too!), Richie Vernon at 12 ass we've all been clamouring for, with Denton and Gray on either wing looking for a big eyecatching break.

Hmm it's not looking good. Personally not too keen on Blackadder or Mallet.

What's surprising is that both Smith and McKenzie have said that they haven't been approached. What the hell have the SRU been doing?! Extensive search my bum.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I reckon Mallet would be ok, but the biggest problem with Scotland is selection.

Do we really want someone who played Bergamasco at 9?

I'm actually not too worried about selection, that's one thing that Johnson seemed to do reasonably well, with a couple of exceptions. I think it'll be likely that he'll have some say in selection, certainly it seems he will have quite a large say in overall squad selection.

Mallett I'd be pretty happy, Blackadder I'd be indifferent, Jake White I'd be surprised.

RDW_Scotland wrote:I’ve never understood where all the enthusiasm for Mallet comes from – he didn’t do overly much coaching Italy, who are a team with similar resources and player base to Scotland.

And as has been mentioned regarding Bergamasco – what happens if he decide Kelly Brown deserves a run at 9??

Well he did coach them to their first ever victory against France, and I think what is often forgotten about the Bergamasco selection is that Italy were down to their 8th choice scrum half or something stupid like that, so he took a gamble.

I think Mallett is a superb coach. Just look at his work with South Africa and Stade Francais. The guy has tons of experience, and I think we'd be extremely lucky were he to be interested in running our XV.

My expectations are fixed considerably lower.

this is annoying me

Someone bloody well tell us who it is going to be ffs

If the SRU turn round and say it is Johnson and this has been a twisted marketing ploy, I will show my disgust by peeing on one of the murrayfield try lines and I will not let on so no one will know which line has the pee on it!

tigertattie wrote:this is annoying me

Someone bloody well tell us who it is going to be ffs

If the SRU turn round and say it is Johnson and this has been a twisted marketing ploy, I will show my disgust by peeing on one of the murrayfield try lines and I will not let on so no one will know which line has the pee on it!

That won't bother the Scotland or Edinburgh players much.....

madmaccas wrote:Hmm it's not looking good. Personally not too keen on Blackadder or Mallet.

What's surprising is that both Smith and McKenzie have said that they haven't been approached. What the hell have the SRU been doing?! Extensive search my bum.

Indeed...

I really just hope its someone who can turn Scotland into the team we al think they can be.

Unfortunaltey the shout for Dai Young makes perfect sense. Why else would the SRU sign a new forwards coach on a 2 year deal unless the next head coach gave them the ok?

Shade Munro would have filled the forwards coach role more than admirably for the summer tour if the new appointment wanted to look for his own man.

Yes, i know its the SRU we are talking about but i just cant see Nick Mallet, or any other external candidate, being happy to take on Humphrey's for 2 years unless they had worked with him before.

The only other option is that Toonie is the appointment and he might be happy to accept anyone as forwards coach as long as he got the top job.

Either way its not looking good.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Just saying I will be able to make a public statement on Friday but for now

I am delighted to announce that the position is not going to me or anyone I know. I wish the elected candidate the best of luck and am fully against the SRU in their decision.

Have the SRU not specifically stated it will be a current Super XV coach? Hence why Wayne Smith and McKenzie were touted?

RDW_Scotland wrote:Have the SRU not specifically stated it will be a current Super XV coach? Hence why Wayne Smith and McKenzie were touted?

Not in the articles I've read, but I don't think it's going to be Dai Young. He seems to be keen to see out next season with Wasps at the very least and has arranged some good signings. He's not a bad coach, mind, considering what was left of Wasps last season. Our forwards seem to have been obliterated every game though.

I haven't seen any statement from the SRU that it will be a Super 15 coach. I think the Scotsman drew the conclusion based on the time frame until the expected announcement, but I think that could equally apply to a NH coach as well - presumably it depends on the relevant contract.

I suspect they also think this is good publicity as well. Trying to initiate some suspense. I'm expecting to be utterly disappointed when the announcement is made. That they apparently haven't even picked up the phone to Smith and MacKenzie is a worry.

Scott Johnson confirmed that (a) it's not a Scot and (b) they're currently affiliated to a club, hence the delay in announcement.

The Hootsmon suddenly suggested that they were affiliated with a South African club, although did not specify on what basis.

So make of that what you will. We've been making a lot of it already.

I didn't see the reference to it not being a Scot. Well at least that rules out Townsend, Tait, Redpath and Richie Dixon, which is a good thing on all counts.

Still leaves it pretty open though, and I see no reason to conclude that it's a Super 15 coach, although I'm struggling to think of a suitable/likely candidate from England/France or the Rabo if I'm being honest.

Is baldrick now the front runner?

Dai Young

You'd probably need to check the online odds to find that out, but it does seem odd to me that of all the forwards coaches in the world, Todd Blackadder would pre-select Jonathan Humphreys.....

bloomin annoying!!!

Just effin tell us already!

It's just going to be a huge disappointment.