Scotland Coach

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Breaking news; Mark Dodson, SR CEO, announces "We have concluded our search for a head coach and will announce that in coming weeks."

Any Ideas? sounds like its someone still in a job

Don't say it, Kia.

I mean, we're all thinking it. But let us live in the warm waters of mindless optimism for another couple of weeks before we find out that it's Dan Parks in his first coaching role.

Sorry to be Fraser doom and gloom. Think happy thoughts GC.
All this secrecy is because they've signed someone really good.

GC,
have done some research on Smithers' claim re 142 years etc etc. If we discount Duncan Weir, Cathlin High (Rutherglen so strictly speaking not Glasgow - it is South Lanarkshire) Bob Harley and Matt Duncan (Douglas Academy ,Milngavie, East Dunbartonshire) and Jon Welsh (Eastwood Secondary, East Renfrewshire) it leaves Big Al K at Bishopbriggs High. Is the Briggs Glasgow or not ? Still strange hair splitting type claim tbh.

Sorry guys to go off topic guys, but I saw GC's post, read the Smithers article and got side tracked

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Sorry to be Fraser doom and gloom. Think happy thoughts GC.
All this secrecy is because they've signed someone really good.

*Sharks cheerleaders*Sharks cheerleaders*

Kia, I know very little about David Guetta apart from being a French DJ. Could you enlighten me please.

Here's the Samoa squad by the way

Hookers:
Tii Paulo – ASM Clermont France
Wayne Ole Avei – Bordeaux Beagles
Manu Leiataua – North Harbor NZ

Props:
Census Johnston – Toulouse France
Logovii Mulipola – Leicester Tigers UK
Sakaria Taulafo – London Wasp UK
James Johnston – Harlequins UK

Locks:
Kane Thompson – Canon Eagles, Japan
Iosefa Tekori – Casters Olympic, France
Daniel Leo – Perpignan, France
Teofilo Paulo – Cardiff Blues, Wales

Loose Forwards :
Taiasina Tuifua – Newcastle Falcons UK
Alafoti Faosiliva – Bristol Rugby Club
Ofisa Treviranus – London Irish, UK
Jack Lam – Hurricanes, NZ
Maurie Faasavalu – Harlequins UK
Faalemiga Selesele – Moata’a, Samoa
** (one to be added) **

Halfback:
Kahn Fotualii – Ospreys Wales
Jeremy Sua – Canterbury Crusaders UK
Auvasa Falealii – Thas Newcastle Australia

First Fives:
Tusiata Pisi – Wellington Hurricanes
Ki Anufe – Marist Auckland

Midfields:
George Pisi – Northampton Saints UK
Johnny Leota – Sale Sharks UK
Isaia Tuifua – Vigo Rugby Club, Spain
Brandon Vaaulu – Tokyo Gas, Japan

Wings:
Alesana Tuilagi – NTT Shining Arcs Japan
Alapati Leiua – Hurricanes NZ
Robert Lilomaiava – Vaiala Rugby Club Samoa
**(one more to be added)**

Fullbacks.
Paul Williams – Stade Francais, France
James Sooialo – Wellington Norths, NZ

Scotland squad to be named at 11am tomorrow, I'm hoping for one with an eye to the future!

Justified sinner, that's the one mate. He'll get the backline moving. After the first two games in the 6N, the Scots went off the boil in terms of attack and Guetta will at least get the crowd pumped up at Murrayfield.

Ah nice one.

I had a dream last night that it turned out to be Dan Parks. For serious.

Sweaty sheets and night terrors.

thats about as strong as samoa squad as youre likely to see outside of a world cup. While we should be blodding some fresh meat, its certainly not a game to go all out willy nilly in selections.

IanBru wrote:I had a dream last night that it turned out to be Dan Parks. For serious.

Sweaty sheets and night terrors.

the mind plays some cruel jokes at times.

My money is on Mallett

You never know the best players don't always make the best coaches just like Sir Alex Ferguson so Parks could be just what we need lol

Seriously I hope for one of Mallet or Smith would be ok with Blackadder or similar but knowing the SRU don't expect anyone of that caliber unfortunately But with all Scottish supporters live in hope (the only thing we have had for years)

Why all this bad feeling towards Blackadder? When he joined Edinburgh before, he helped drag them up by the boot straps; not necessarily by being the best player but by providing leadership. Before him, if Edinburgh went behind, we lost. With him, he seemed to instal self-confidence and the players didn't panic. I met him after a few a Edinburgh games and he seemed like a genuinely nice bloke. I also know guys who played for Currie (who Blackadder was "attached" to) and he turned down the offers of cars, taxis etc to get him to training and insisted on getting the bus.
Ok he hasn't set the heather on fire at the Crusaders but any team playing without McCaw for the first time in honks would suffer. Carter has also been injured quite a lot
On balance, I would like to see Wayne Smith (if only because he is a back) but I would be more than happy if it was TB

I think Blackadder would be just about perfect. He knows Edinburgh, Knows the SRU setup, Knows what he would be getting into. He is ambitious and not tinged by failure and a decent coach

I agree to a point TJ but Blackadder was involved the Matt Williams era andd thta wasn't a roaring success although I believe that he didn't get on with/agree with much Williams did so maybe mud won't stick
We need a coach who can instal self-confidence and self-belief and who, himself, has a winning mentality.

I thought it was at least in part because of Williams he left Edinburgh

We need a coach who can instal self-confidence and self-belief and who, himself, has a winning mentality.

BLackadder can surely do that and he carries little baggage

is obviously Mike Ruddock

InjuredYetAgain wrote:Why all this bad feeling towards Blackadder? When he joined Edinburgh before, he helped drag them up by the boot straps; not necessarily by being the best player but by providing leadership. Before him, if Edinburgh went behind, we lost. With him, he seemed to instal self-confidence and the players didn't panic. I met him after a few a Edinburgh games and he seemed like a genuinely nice bloke. I also know guys who played for Currie (who Blackadder was "attached" to) and he turned down the offers of cars, taxis etc to get him to training and insisted on getting the bus.
Ok he hasn't set the heather on fire at the Crusaders but any team playing without McCaw for the first time in honks would suffer. Carter has also been injured quite a lot
On balance, I would like to see Wayne Smith (if only because he is a back) but I would be more than happy if it was TB

No ones denying the effect he had as a player. But his coaching credentials are underwhelming. The crusaders star faded seasons ago, not just with Mccaws recent sabbatical. Id be happy if he became edinburgh coach, but for the international team, I want someone who has a track record of success. As far as coaching credentials go, hes not in the same league as Smith or Mckenzie.

Im not going to retract my support if he was to get the job, there are plenty worse coaches out there.

mckay1402 wrote:is obviously Mike Ruddock

Most awkward post-announcement press conference I think we'd ever see!

Jeez, been away for a couple of days and all this has exploded, more to follow when I get a chance to read up on whats been going on

Looks like its MacKenzie or Smith

Looking good I think!

Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but McKenzie has said it's not him.

McKenzie insists he is not the next Scotland coach

Mckenzie has come out in the press saying it isn't him!

Beat me to it!

Wayne Smith would be good but lets not forget he is the reason Piers Francis came to Edinburgh......!

Scotland squad being announced now

EWT Spoons wrote:Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but McKenzie has said it's not him.

McKenzie insists he is not the next Scotland coach

Er, hang on a second.

That article says that the coach is "currently involved with a Super Rugby team in South Africa"(rather than anywhere else).

Doesn't that sort of imply that it's Allister Coetzee (Stormers), Frans Ludeke (Bulls), Naka Drotske (Cheetahs), Johan Ackermann (Lions) or John Plumtree (Sharks)? Did I just misread that? If that's true, I hope that it's Coetzee. He knows how to win with a decent pack of forwards. On the other hand, Drotske knows how to get a backline moving.

Biltong - are any of these options likely?

Scotland squad for quadrangular tournament with South Africa, Samoa and Italy next month:

Backs: Alex Dunbar* (Glasgow Warriors), Tom Heathcote (Bath Rugby), Peter Horne*, Ruaridh Jackson (both Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby), Sean Lamont, Peter Murchie*, Henry Pyrgos (all Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour* (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor* (Saracens), Greig Tonks* and Tim Visser (both Edinburgh Rugby)

Forwards: John Barclay (Glasgow Warriors), Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), Kelly Brown (Saracens) CAPTAIN, Geoff Cross, David Denton (both Edinburgh Rugby), Alasdair Dickinson (Sale Sharks), Ross Ford, Grant Gilchrist (both Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Grant (Glasgow Warriors), Jim Hamilton (Gloucester Rugby), Alastair Kellock (Glasgow Warriors), Steven Lawrie* (Edinburgh Rugby), Moray Low, Pat MacArthur* (both Glasgow Warriors), Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors), Alasdair Strokosch (Perpignan), Tim Swinson* and Ryan Wilson (both Glasgow Warriors).
* = uncapped

I'm pretty happy with that, maybe a bit surprised to see no Harley or Welsh, and didn't expect Denton. Rennie and Fusaro must still be injured. Also surprised there's only two scrum halves, surely Kennedy should be there in case of injury. Alex Grove continues to be ignored.

Overall a good squad though, plenty of new players there on merit, and the right decision to leave the likes of De Luca and Evans behind.

My starting XV then,

Grant
MacArthur
Murray
Swinson
Hamilton
Brown
Barclay
Beattie

Laidlaw
Heathcote
Visser
Scott
Dunbar
Lamont
Tonks

George Carlin wrote:

EWT Spoons wrote:Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but McKenzie has said it's not him.

McKenzie insists he is not the next Scotland coach

Er, hang on a second.

That article says that the coach is "currently involved with a Super Rugby team in South Africa"(rather than anywhere else).

Doesn't that sort of imply that it's Allister Coetzee (Stormers), Frans Ludeke (Bulls), Naka Drotske (Cheetahs), Johan Ackermann (Lions) or John Plumtree (Sharks)? Did I just misread that? If that's true, I hope that it's Coetzee. He knows how to win with a decent pack of forwards. On the other hand, Drotske knows how to get a backline moving.

Biltong - are any of these options likely?

Biltong mightn't know the answer directly...but he ain't going to be happy about any of it. First players...now coaches!

[Ignore - already posted on another thread.]

Thread here

https://www.606v2.com/t43849-scotland-summer-tour-squad#2035910

George Carlin wrote:

EWT Spoons wrote:Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but McKenzie has said it's not him.

McKenzie insists he is not the next Scotland coach

Er, hang on a second.

That article says that the coach is "currently involved with a Super Rugby team in South Africa"(rather than anywhere else).

Doesn't that sort of imply that it's Allister Coetzee (Stormers), Frans Ludeke (Bulls), Naka Drotske (Cheetahs), Johan Ackermann (Lions) or John Plumtree (Sharks)? Did I just misread that? If that's true, I hope that it's Coetzee. He knows how to win with a decent pack of forwards. On the other hand, Drotske knows how to get a backline moving.

Biltong - are any of these options likely?

I think you are giving the Hootsman far too much credit by assuming they're actually reporting accurately. They go on to list McKenzie, Blackadder and Smith as options after saying it was a coach in SA, I also don't recall the SRU saying that the coach is in South Africa. I think they might be confused.

George Carlin wrote:

EWT Spoons wrote:Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but McKenzie has said it's not him.

McKenzie insists he is not the next Scotland coach

Er, hang on a second.

That article says that the coach is "currently involved with a Super Rugby team in South Africa"(rather than anywhere else).

Doesn't that sort of imply that it's Allister Coetzee (Stormers), Frans Ludeke (Bulls), Naka Drotske (Cheetahs), Johan Ackermann (Lions) or John Plumtree (Sharks)? Did I just misread that? If that's true, I hope that it's Coetzee. He knows how to win with a decent pack of forwards. On the other hand, Drotske knows how to get a backline moving.

Biltong - are any of these options likely?

I'll have to check around, the coaches in SA that have been coaching Super Rugby that is currently not active are Johan Ackerman and John Mitchell.

Plumtree's contract is up end of year, but in an interview he said South Africa is his home and he loves it here, and also said he is committed to the Sharks, so there is a slight possibility as you don't know whether they want to renew his contract, he has been there for six years, so it might be time to move on.

Drotske I don't think will move, he is a freestater through and through.

Frans Ludeke, you don't want him, he will teach you the kick and chase game, and it will take Scottish rugby back 10 years.

Allistair Coetzee is most likely the next SA coach, as I believe SARU will want to do the white coach four year, ACI coach four year routine. Either way I am not sure he can bring much more than just solid coaching, he is a tad conservative.

Furthermore, I think Johan Ackerman would be good for Scotland as he was under the tutelage of John Mitchell and worked with Carlos spencer as well, so although his CV is short as a coach, he has a pleasant personality, knows his beef when it comes to forward play and has a "new age" mentality where he allows his backs to express themselves. Would be a good option.

New age for Scotland and Sa maybe.

Biltong + Scottish posters =

We are forgetting one important point here!

The new Scotland coach could actually be................... Biltong???

So THAT'S why he sold the cruiser.

tigertattie wrote:We are forgetting one important point here!

The new Scotland coach could actually be................... Biltong???

Haven't signed the docs yet mate, they want me to sign my son over as collateral.

Have to say, even though I have no experience as coach, I would love to have a go at fixing scottish rugby's developmental issues and coach them to a World Cup.

I do know a little bit about rugby, will someone please suggest me.

To be fair Biltong you are probably ahead of all of us in the pecking order by not being Scottish....!

Biltong wrote:Have to say, even though I have no experience as coach, I would love to have a go at fixing scottish rugby's developmental issues and coach them to a World Cup.

I do know a little bit about rugby, will someone please suggest me.

Over-qualified.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

Biltong wrote:Have to say, even though I have no experience as coach, I would love to have a go at fixing scottish rugby's developmental issues and coach them to a World Cup.

I do know a little bit about rugby, will someone please suggest me.

Over-qualified.

Then just don't tell them I know a little bit about rugby. Geez, do I have to introduce myself to them?

Well you'll have to prepare thoroughly in order to hide your knowledge, they can sniff out competence a mile away.

If they ask a question like: "who should play at 7?", make sure you emphasise that your preference would be not to use a specialist 7, but rather move the captain away from his best position and deploy him at 7 instead. If you do something like that, they'll probably make you Director of Rugby within 6 months......

In fact, you should make a big play on the fact that you think the numbers of jerseys are irrelevant, and that ultimately they are all rugby players. Positions and tactics are old hat, and that you have some innovative ideas about winning games without having the ball. If they pass you over for DOR, you'll probably get the Glasgow job as a consolation.....

I'll go in with this.

"Dear Panel, the myth that size is everything (I'll have to keep a straight face when saying that as they will wonder under what rock this South African climbed out of), is really just that a myth.

We want speed, it wouldn't matter if y]we suffered in the scrums, because there aren't that many in a match anymore. Besides, we will just collapse them. (Again straight face)

We want small, lithe, wiry characters who can outscore the opponents, so it doesn't matter how many points they get, we will score more.

There will be no gameplan, because we won't really be worrying about set phases with our small blokes, we'll just get them out of the way, not worry about line outs either as our short blokes won't be able to take line out ball either, we will become the masters of intercepts, jinx, snipes, side steps etc.

Above all, everyone will just play it as they see it.

The truth is I know very little about game plans, defensive setups etc.

And as far as tackling is concerned, we'll leave that to the blokes in the other team, if they can catch us.

Under my coaching mantra Scotland will sore more tries than ever before.

My mantra will be, Give me 15 Moggs and Vissers.

Genius. You have the job.

Just add that you've seen 'Graham Morrison's Crash Ball Masterclass' on YouTube 147 times and think that it is a work of coaching brilliance.

Biltong wrote:I'll go in with this.

"Dear Panel, the myth that size is everything (I'll have to keep a straight face when saying that as they will wonder under what rock this South African climbed out of), is really just that a myth.

We want speed, it wouldn't matter if y]we suffered in the scrums, because there aren't that many in a match anymore. Besides, we will just collapse them. (Again straight face)
We want small, lithe, wiry characters who can outscore the opponents, so it doesn't matter how many points they get, we will score more.

There will be no gameplan, because we won't really be worrying about set phases with our small blokes, we'll just get them out of the way, not worry about line outs either as our short blokes won't be able to take line out ball either, we will become the masters of intercepts, jinx, snipes, side steps etc.

Above all, everyone will just play it as they see it.

The truth is I know very little about game plans, defensive setups etc.

And as far as tackling is concerned, we'll leave that to the blokes in the other team, if they can catch us.

Under my coaching mantra Scotland will sore more tries than ever before.

My mantra will be, Give me 15 Moggs and Vissers.

Excuse me, this isn't the Wales job!!

funnyExiledScot wrote:

Biltong wrote:I'll go in with this.

"Dear Panel, the myth that size is everything (I'll have to keep a straight face when saying that as they will wonder under what rock this South African climbed out of), is really just that a myth.

We want speed, it wouldn't matter if we suffered in the scrums, because there aren't that many in a match anymore. Besides, we will just collapse them. (Again straight face)
We want small, lithe, wiry characters who can outscore the opponents, so it doesn't matter how many points they get, we will score more.

There will be no gameplan, because we won't really be worrying about set phases with our small blokes, we'll just get them out of the way, not worry about line outs either as our short blokes won't be able to take line out ball either, we will become the masters of intercepts, jinx, snipes, side steps etc.

Above all, everyone will just play it as they see it.

The truth is I know very little about game plans, defensive setups etc.

And as far as tackling is concerned, we'll leave that to the blokes in the other team, if they can catch us.

Under my coaching mantra Scotland will sore more tries than ever before.

My mantra will be, Give me 15 Moggs and Vissers.

Excuse me, this isn't the Wales job!!

Ok, fine, I'll remove that out of my speech.

did you mention you will target one win a year? the game against England? That seems to be the only target the SRU care about

Oh, no mate, I will be targeting to win them all. Simply just outscore them.