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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	22	18	1	3	572	483	+89	64	45	2	3	79
2	Harlequins	22	16	0	6	584	525	+59	64	52	4	5	73
3	Newcastle Falcons	22	14	1	7	564	509	+55	60	48	2	7	67
4	Gloucester	22	14	0	8	570	522	+48	66	54	4	5	65
5	Sale Sharks	22	13	0	9	568	533	+35	62	55	3	9	64
6	London Irish	22	11	0	11	555	547	+8	59	56	3	10	57
7	Northampton Saints	22	11	1	10	552	545	+7	57	57	2	8	56
8	London Welsh	22	9	3	10	520	510	+10	56	51	0	10	52
9	Bath Rugby	22	9	0	13	509	545	-36	48	59	0	9	45
10	Saracens	22	6	1	15	463	550	-87	42	59	0	7	33
11	Worcester Warriors	22	4	1	17	478	541	-63	42	60	1	11	30
12	London Wasps	22	3	0	19	444	569	-125	40	64	0	14	26

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by dammit_chris Sun May 19, 2013 10:07 am

Mad not to get Cooper in there straight away, but then again he should never have slated the Aussie coaching set up in public like he did. Guess you can't really have someone like that in a squad.

Can't see their forward pack matching the Lions one, would even go so far as to say that the only guy that would make the Lions pack is Hooper - so only way they will win is by being creative, scoring tries and having match winners in the team, like Cooper...

by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 19, 2013 10:14 am

anonmattyt wrote:Apparently there are 6 spots open so he may have a chance. They will probably play Barnes although I prefer him at 12

Deans has stated he fancies JOC at 10 apparently

by Guest Sun May 19, 2013 10:24 am

I hope they do pick JOC and we can run through his channel at will. I would be super happy if they picked JOC at 10

by Guest Sun May 19, 2013 10:25 am

dammit_chris wrote:Mad not to get Cooper in there straight away, but then again he should never have slated the Aussie coaching set up in public like he did. Guess you can't really have someone like that in a squad.

Can't see their forward pack matching the Lions one, would even go so far as to say that the only guy that would make the Lions pack is Hooper - so only way they will win is by being creative, scoring tries and having match winners in the team, like Cooper...

Cooper has to start for me. They need to use their backs and he gets them going

by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 19, 2013 10:26 am

Yea I'd love to see JOC more involved rather than stuck on the wing

by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 19, 2013 10:30 am

Sounds like Deans is not impressed by Cooper hiding in defence:

But after naming Rebels playmaker James O'Connor as his preferred option, Deans said selectors were still waiting for Cooper to defend in the front line at No.10 and be more assertive in attack.

"Test rugby is another level from Super rugby and we would like to see Quade defend in the front line; we would like him to assert himself physically in the game, because that's an element you can't avoid at Test level," he said.
"It's the whole game. Assertiveness goes both ways in attack and [defence]; that's what we'd like to see particularly in that outing [between the Reds and Lions on June 8]."

by Guest Sun May 19, 2013 10:40 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Yea I'd love to see JOC more involved rather than stuck on the wing

He will be a disaster at ten. Can't defend at 10. For me I would have him on the wing where his defence is pretry good.As the commentator said the other week " James o Connor is doing a pretty good impression of a turnstile in defence.

It's insanity to not pick cooper as he is in form and playing well.
Deans will go after this series I reckon

by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 19, 2013 10:51 am

Seems Deans rates him which is what counts I guess. Slating Cooper defensively doesn't suggest he's in with a shout.

by dammit_chris Sun May 19, 2013 10:53 am

Aussie press seem to really go at Deans, if it wasnt a Lions year and they didnt need the continuity leading into it then he wouldnt have a job there.

Got to have a guy who plays at no10 week in week out, is that where JOC is playing now? He seems to cover every position in the backline apart from 13 atm!

Seems a bit odd not to go for the combination of Genia and Cooper, when they play week in week out together.

Foloa has got himself a starting place I think, either at 15 or the wing - guy is a freak!

by Guest Sun May 19, 2013 10:58 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Seems Deans rates him which is what counts I guess. Slating Cooper defensively doesn't suggest he's in with a shout.

Very true. They have defo fallen out. Even as a bench player cooper would offer something different. Can't wait for lions

by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 19, 2013 11:00 am

JOC has a test at 10 and has played there for Rebels of late.

He's the middle ground choice really. Cooper doesn't defend the 10 channel and you have to realign the backs to get him in, that's not what you need really.

Barnes is just coming back from injury and Beale is drunk.

First test?

9. Genia
10 JOC
11. Ioane
12. Leiniafano
13. AAC
14. ?
15. ?

by Guest Sun May 19, 2013 11:12 am

Am I right that mogg is not in the squad ?

Folau looks like he may start. Big ask. As
Good as he looks ball in hand he has some defensive frailties due to being new to the game. Gets better week on week though

by Guest Sun May 19, 2013 11:14 am

Barnes will start. Looked super sharp last 2 weeks. World class proven player. As good as leilifano has been they will go for Barnes.

Looks like it will be

9 Genia
10 JOC
11 cummins
12 Barnes
13 Cooper
14 ioane
15 Folau

by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 19, 2013 11:22 am

I do like the Barnes/AAC link up, they really suit each other. Barnes plays best with a straight runner at 13

by stnick88 Sun May 19, 2013 3:13 pm

Tagi did it maybe its a London Irish thing! But Matt how is it any different to a prop shouting in an opposing props face and rubbing it in when he wins a penalty at a scrum. All part of the game. Just banter no harm done.

by Guest Sun May 19, 2013 3:34 pm

I see your point nick but in a physical game of that magnitude I thought it was wrong.

Have you seen the exchanges between Delon and Brian Moore on twitter ? Amusing stuff

by dammit_chris Sun May 19, 2013 4:11 pm

Moore not the only one having a go at Delon!

http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,3551_8722265,00.html

Lack of class there.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 19, 2013 6:03 pm

Thank god sense prevailed and Heaslip didn't win:

http://www.espnscrum.com/heineken-cup-2012-13/rugby/story/183043.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

by stnick88 Mon May 20, 2013 8:51 am

yeh Delon has since deleted the tweets.

I cannot stand Brian Moore he is possibly a more annoying commentator than Jonathan Davies.

its all been blown out of proportion because of it being Delon. If Ashton did it, then it would be the same. However if Rougerie or Nalaga had of done it, nothing would of been made of it.

by dammit_chris Mon May 20, 2013 10:21 am

Think Moore writes quite well, like in this article here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/10067254/Delon-Armitages-behaviour-was-not-in-keeping-with-the-spirit-Toulon-showed-when-winning-the-Heineken-Cup.html

But is part of an awful, awful BBC team - I only like the Scottish guy who I think has been snapped up by ESPN.

Would say though Nick I don't think any of the other players would do what Armitage did, a lot of players are now diving to score tries but I don't think I can recall any time when another player has waved like that, and then his reaction on twitter was stupid - should have ignored Moore.

by stnick88 Mon May 20, 2013 10:45 am

I've seen it been done before.

Moore and others make good points that he shouldnt have done it, but plenty of other players like Monye, Cueto etc have all said nothing wrong with it and that other people celebrate in an arrogant or cocky way and nothing gets made of it. Its just because he has this bad boy image that people love to hate.

End of the day, probably shouldnt have done it, but its a HC final, emotions are high, he is clearly delighted at scoring and its a spur of the moment thing. Its been massively blown out of proportion.

by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon May 20, 2013 10:53 am

Did Rokocoko not do it nearly every try? Don't see it as being any worse then the props giving a big pat on the back to the opposition after winning a penalty. Sledging is and always will be part of sport.

If it had been Fofanna/Rougerie or any body else besides Armitage nothing would have been made off it.

by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon May 20, 2013 10:54 am

Mind you Armitage was a prat to respond to Moore like he did.

by dammit_chris Mon May 20, 2013 10:57 am

Agree with you Nick that it was done in spur of the moment - should have just said that he didn't mean any disrespect etc at the end, or on social media but telling Moore that he's a 'fat p rick and should go and write another s hit book' was just senseless on his part.

by Steven_Sharks Mon May 20, 2013 3:15 pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_8724248,00.html

by stnick88 Mon May 20, 2013 3:49 pm

Masoe over Picamoles stands out for me.

1/2P lucky to be in. Armitage and Byrne both had consitently good tournaments

by prop_lyd Mon May 20, 2013 5:05 pm

guys, just so you know, I'm on holiday from Thursday afternoon so may struggle to predict till late Monday evening, on the plus side I'm off to the rabo final!!

by Steven_Sharks Mon May 20, 2013 6:08 pm

Myler and Burrell added to England squad. Goode and Tomkins out injured.

Burrell surprises me a bit. I'd prefer Tom Casson in there myself, think he is a fine player.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon May 20, 2013 6:58 pm

Interesting SL would prefer Myler to Ford

by Guest Mon May 20, 2013 7:29 pm

Glad to see Goode out. May make SL see sense re having attacking fb.

Mylar the better player currently and in form

by Sgt_Pooly Mon May 20, 2013 7:33 pm

I don't think May is solid enough to play FB, especially against Arg.

Brown/Foden will be cover now. Maybe we'll see:

11. May
14. Wade
15. Brown

Or more likely:

11. Foden
14. Strettle
15. Brown

by Guest Mon May 20, 2013 7:42 pm

I did not say may to play fb ?

by **Ozzy3213** Mon May 20, 2013 7:44 pm

Cheers for doing the results SJE, just back home. Will get a match thread up for the final shortly.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon May 20, 2013 7:49 pm

anonmattyt wrote:I did not say may to play fb ?

Assumed you meant May to play FB. Love to see him at 11

by dammit_chris Mon May 20, 2013 7:57 pm

Pretty sure Ford is having an op at the end of the season too - Myler has been playing really well of late, has played a big role in Saints return to form.

Looking at the Argentina squad it didnt look as if they had many European based players turning out for them.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon May 20, 2013 9:12 pm

I doubt Ford would have went anyway, his performances have hardly been AP standard never mind Int.

So much for him displacing Flood this season Chris, I'd have won that bet if you'd have took it on Wink

by Fluxy Mon May 20, 2013 9:41 pm

I was wondering why Cipriani hasn't had his call up yet... Run

by stnick88 Tue May 21, 2013 9:13 am

Ford looked shaky this season.

Myler is solid if unspectacular.

by **Ozzy3213** Tue May 21, 2013 9:18 am

Myler is a decent AP player, but way off international class. I pray that nothing happens to Freddie Burns, otherwise we are fecked!

by stnick88 Tue May 21, 2013 9:38 am

Congrats to Chris and Pete by the way.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue May 21, 2013 9:41 am

Did Matt not win the HC? He'll be getting fired if he doesn't watch it, a fruitless season with those resources!

by **Ozzy3213** Tue May 21, 2013 9:46 am

Cheers Nick. I got a bit lucky with most predos being in before the Heino final on Saturday I think.

by stnick88 Tue May 21, 2013 9:48 am

probably helped a bit Pete but still think you would of won.

One more game than the transfers will pick up I reckon.

by Guest Wed May 22, 2013 1:36 am

Chaps off to USA for 4 weeks from Thursday doing Deep South. Try and predo but struggle for transfers back 16th June

by Steven_Sharks Wed May 22, 2013 10:34 am

sounds an epic trip matt, have a good time

by dammit_chris Wed May 22, 2013 3:26 pm

Sad to see Hipkiss retire, played against him when I was 19/20 and spent half the game on his shoulders getting smashed to pieces, the other half trying to stop him running over me!

by prop_lyd Thu May 23, 2013 9:18 am

Off to Belfast today then onto Dublin Saturday for the Rabo Final. Not back till Monday....may be able to do just a score if I have internet access but won't be able to do explainations till next week.

by LukeLovesLuka Thu May 23, 2013 1:44 pm

Barbarians team:

Elliot Daly (London Wasps), Taku Ngwenya (Biarritz), Casey Laulala (Munster), Mike Tindall (Gloucester, captain), Timoci Nagusa (Montpellier), James Hook (Perpignan), Dwayne Peel (Sale Sharks); Andrea Lo Cicero (Racing Metro), Matthew Rees (Scarlets), James Johnston (Harlequins), Jim Hamilton (Gloucester), Marco Wentzel (Wasps), Alessandro Zanni (Treviso), Jonathan Poff (Wasps), Imanol Harinordoquay (Biarritz)

Bench: Schalk Brits (Saracens), Paul James (Bath Rugby), Duncan Jones (Ospreys), Dean Mumm (Exeter Chiefs), Sam Jones (Wasps), Dimitri Yachvili (Biarritz), Stephen Jones (Wasps), Rowan Varty (DeA Tigers)

by dammit_chris Thu May 23, 2013 2:04 pm

Quickest BaaBaa back three in history? Serious gas there.

by stnick88 Thu May 23, 2013 2:05 pm

Could be Chris, Daly, Nagusa, Ngenwya, Tindall......

So random that Sam Jones is there.

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