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Post by king_carlos Sat 8 Jun - 18:57

First topic message reminder :

I haven't seen a match thread for the game yet so thought I'd get one up and going, with the game on BBC hopefully plenty will be watching!

Argentina

M Bustos Moyano (Montpellier); M Orlando (Huirapuca), G Tiesi (unattached), F Contepomi (Stade Francais), M Montero (Club Pucara); B Urdapilleta (Oyonnax), M Landajo (CASI); P Henn (Brive), M Garcia Veiga (Buenos Aires C & CR), M Bustos (Montpellier), E Lozada, (Agen) M Galarza (University of La Plata), J Farias Cabello (unattached), B Macome (Tucuman), T Leonardi (Southern Kings).

Replacements: M Guidone (La Plata), G Roan (Cavalieri Prato), F Gomez Kodela (Biarritz), T Vallejos Cinalli (unattached), T De la Vega (CUBA), N Vergallo (Southern Kings), G Ascarate (Carcassonne), B Agulla (unattached).

England

M Brown (Harlequins); C Wade (Wasps), J Joseph (London Irish), B Twelvetrees (Gloucester), D Strettle (Saracens); F Burns (Gloucester), L Dickson (Northampton); J Marler (Harlequins), R Webber (Bath), D Wilson (Bath), J Launchbury (Wasps), D Attwood (Bath), T Wood (Northampton, capt), M Kvesic (Worcester), B Morgan (Gloucester).

Replacements: D Paice (London Irish), H Thomas (Sale Sharks), P Doran-Jones (Northampton), C Lawes (Northampton), B Vunipola (Wasps), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), K Eastmond (Bath), B Foden (Northampton).

Looking at the teams both sides are unsurprisingly putting out some new faces with Argentina fielding a very experimental side.

For those wanting to watch the BBC 2 coverage starts at 7.30pm with KO at 8.10pm. Hopefully we'll see a good game with some bruising forward battles up front and some skill from the backs in behind them - as an England fan I yet live in hope of the Burns, Twelvetrees and Wade rejuvenation of the backline!

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Post by BamBam Sat 8 Jun - 21:25

wales606 wrote:
BamBam wrote:England to win by 6 or more at evens was practically free money!

wish I had seen those odds with the difference on paper between these sides!

Aye, just saw it on bet365 20 mins before kickoff and couldn't turn it down

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 8 Jun - 21:26

wales606 wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

Grow up

Wales 3rds and 4th beat Japans 1st

Englands 2nds are beating Argentina's 2nd and 3rd

Leave it for the first teams to decide who is better, ok?

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.


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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 8 Jun - 21:26

Burns has thrown some awful passes for a wunderkind

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:26

Lineout may as well be a free restart
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Post by BamBam Sat 8 Jun - 21:27

We seem to have lost some go forward in the last 10 mins, a bit too lateral at the moment

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 8 Jun - 21:28

And we've gone to our clueless selves at the breakdown. Stupid decision making

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Post by king_carlos Sat 8 Jun - 21:28

Chequered - my thoughts exactly. Unnecessary push then that penalty, not a good couple of minutes for him.

I've been really impressed with Webber today. Lots of tackles, strong over the ball, strong at set piece and letting his weight be known around the ground. Just what we need in the pack!

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:29

How is that not holding onto the ball by Argentina!?
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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 8 Jun - 21:29

Two harsh judgements if you ask me

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:30

HammerofThunor wrote:Two harsh utterly incorrect judgements if you ask me
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Post by RDSguru Sat 8 Jun - 21:30

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.


I 2nd what 606 said, Grow up... why try and turn this into another Wales/England bashing thread?

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Post by wales606 Sat 8 Jun - 21:30

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

Grow up

Wales 3rds and 4th beat Japans 1st

Englands 2nds are beating Argentina's 2nd and 3rd

Leave it for the first teams to decide who is better, ok?

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.


Yep, 3rds and 4ths

1st XV

1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Richard Hibbard
3. Adam Jones
4. Alun Wyn Jones
5. Ian Evans
6. Dan Lydiate
7. Sam Warburton
8. Toby Faletau
9. Mike Phillips
10. Dan Biggar
11. George North
12. Jamie Roberts
13. Jonathan Davies
14. Alex Cuthbert
15. Leigh Halfpenny


2nd XV

1. Paul James
2. Ken Owens
3. Craig Mitchell
4. Bradley Davies
5. Luke Charteris
6. Aaron Shingler
7. Justin Tipuric
8. Ryan Jones
9. Lloyd Williams
10. Rhys Preistland
11. Eli Walker
12. Ashley Beck
13. Scott Williams
14. Liam Williams
15. Lee Byrne


3rd XV

1. Ryan Bevington
2. Matthew Rees
3. Scott Andrews
4. Andrew Coombes
5. James King
6. Rob McCusker
7. Josh Navidi
8. Andreus Pretorious
9. Tavis Knoyle
10. Rhys Patchell
11. Harry Robinson
12. James Hook
13. Owen Williams
14. Tom Prydie
15. Steven Shingler

4th XV

1. Rhys Gill
2. Emyr Phillips
3. Samson Lee
4. Lou Reed
5. Ian Gough
6. Ellis Jenkins
7. Josh Turnball
8. Dan Baker
9. Rhys Webb
10. Owen Williams
11. Dafydd Howells
12. Jonathan Spratt
13. Adam Warren
14. Richard Fussell
15. Dan Evans


5th XV

1. Sam Hobbs
2. Scott Baldwin
3. Aaron Jarvis
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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 8 Jun - 21:31

Have the IRB told the ref to even it up?

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:31

RDSguru wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.


I 2nd what 606 said, Grow up... why try and turn this into another Wales/England bashing thread?

Yeah, we don't need one of those. Let the squads do the talking next Spring
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Post by GLove39 Sat 8 Jun - 21:31

Who at the BBC thought giving Andy captain obvious Robinson as co commentator was a good idea?

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Post by king_carlos Sat 8 Jun - 21:31

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

Grow up

Wales 3rds and 4th beat Japans 1st

Englands 2nds are beating Argentina's 2nd and 3rd

Leave it for the first teams to decide who is better, ok?

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.


Let's be honest none of Wales, England and Arg are at full strength and Japan are always going to struggle against a well conditioned group of players. Let's keep things friendly though please!

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:32

Though I'd say more 3rd than 4ths, tbh
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Post by wales606 Sat 8 Jun - 21:32

England have let up a bit this half

I was expecting them to run away with it
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:33

wales606 wrote:England have let up a bit this half

I was expecting them to run away with it

we need a training session in defence too
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Post by king_carlos Sat 8 Jun - 21:33

ChequeredJersey wrote:How is that not holding onto the ball by Argentina!?

Decisions were always going to start going Arg's way given the scoreline. It would've been nice to see Lawes and Kvesic react a bit better to calls of "release England" though.

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Post by Guest Sat 8 Jun - 21:34

Score guys?

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:34

waaaaaaay too deep
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Post by nathan Sat 8 Jun - 21:34

Am I right in thinking this is the ref for the first test?




.. getting my excuses in real early lol

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 8 Jun - 21:34

3-25

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:34

25-3 England
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 8 Jun - 21:35

This was started much earlier by one of your top douches, happy to state Japan are the worst side put out today Wink

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 8 Jun - 21:35

Well hooray

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Post by BamBam Sat 8 Jun - 21:36

Nice tackles by Lawes and Eastmond

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Post by wales606 Sat 8 Jun - 21:36

Burns, 36 and Wade all need to be first choice for England - I honestly don't know why Barritt, Farrell and Ashton have been playing when you have those guys about, or why Brown has been sat on the wing.
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:36

Sgt_Pooly wrote:This was started much earlier by one of your top douches, happy to state Japan are the worst side put out today Wink

Do we rate each others douches now? Who's our top douche?
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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 8 Jun - 21:37

Eastmond has come on twice Erm

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Post by Guest Sat 8 Jun - 21:37

Impressive OK

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:37

Not straight
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Post by GLove39 Sat 8 Jun - 21:37

Sgt_Pooly wrote:This was started much earlier by one of your top douches, happy to state Japan are the worst side put out today Wink

The Scotland team that trotted out in Durban today would beg to differ...

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Post by BamBam Sat 8 Jun - 21:37

Marler does that far too often, unnecessary niggles

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 8 Jun - 21:37

viewtothegym wrote:Impressive OK

All in the first half. Second has been pretty flat

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Post by king_carlos Sat 8 Jun - 21:37

Please can we keep this thread to the rugby Sgt!

Morgan and Webber just gone off after brilliant first 50 minutes though they faded a bit in the later 15 - still very strong performances though, my MOM would come from one of the two.

Lawes is having a strong cameo off the bench as well.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:38

"that'll put some real doubt in Argentina next week"- as opposed to the brimming optimism they must be feeling now, eh, Andy?
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Post by Guest Sat 8 Jun - 21:38

Douche? why are you calling each other "shower" in French?

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Post by GLove39 Sat 8 Jun - 21:38

Courtney Lawes sent to the sin bin

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:38

Lawes gets a yellow, shocker
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Post by RDSguru Sat 8 Jun - 21:38

Sgt_Pooly wrote:This was started much earlier by one of your top douches, happy to state Japan are the worst side put out today Wink

So you thought you'd try and climb to that top douche level and bring it into a thread where your own team is playing and have played well.

Have some cake cake


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Post by king_carlos Sat 8 Jun - 21:39

Just as I said that bye bye Courtney. A stupid penalty and he's paid the price for the team with the yellow card.

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Post by nathan Sat 8 Jun - 21:39

How many bloody times are we going to screw those up!?

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:40

Ninja reflexes from Eastmond
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 8 Jun - 21:42

viewtothegym wrote:Douche? why are you calling each other "shower" in French?

Thank god for google eh

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:42

FFS Stretters. Was that Marler for the soft hands?
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Post by BamBam Sat 8 Jun - 21:43

Strettle furious

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Post by Manu's Boxing Coach Sat 8 Jun - 21:43

This ref is so poor....

As is Strettle.......

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 8 Jun - 21:43

No, Kvesic...
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