Argentina vs England - 8.10pm KO

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 6:57 pm

First topic message reminder :

I haven't seen a match thread for the game yet so thought I'd get one up and going, with the game on BBC hopefully plenty will be watching!

Argentina

M Bustos Moyano (Montpellier); M Orlando (Huirapuca), G Tiesi (unattached), F Contepomi (Stade Francais), M Montero (Club Pucara); B Urdapilleta (Oyonnax), M Landajo (CASI); P Henn (Brive), M Garcia Veiga (Buenos Aires C & CR), M Bustos (Montpellier), E Lozada, (Agen) M Galarza (University of La Plata), J Farias Cabello (unattached), B Macome (Tucuman), T Leonardi (Southern Kings).

Replacements: M Guidone (La Plata), G Roan (Cavalieri Prato), F Gomez Kodela (Biarritz), T Vallejos Cinalli (unattached), T De la Vega (CUBA), N Vergallo (Southern Kings), G Ascarate (Carcassonne), B Agulla (unattached).

England

M Brown (Harlequins); C Wade (Wasps), J Joseph (London Irish), B Twelvetrees (Gloucester), D Strettle (Saracens); F Burns (Gloucester), L Dickson (Northampton); J Marler (Harlequins), R Webber (Bath), D Wilson (Bath), J Launchbury (Wasps), D Attwood (Bath), T Wood (Northampton, capt), M Kvesic (Worcester), B Morgan (Gloucester).

Replacements: D Paice (London Irish), H Thomas (Sale Sharks), P Doran-Jones (Northampton), C Lawes (Northampton), B Vunipola (Wasps), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), K Eastmond (Bath), B Foden (Northampton).

Looking at the teams both sides are unsurprisingly putting out some new faces with Argentina fielding a very experimental side.

For those wanting to watch the BBC 2 coverage starts at 7.30pm with KO at 8.10pm. Hopefully we'll see a good game with some bruising forward battles up front and some skill from the backs in behind them - as an England fan I yet live in hope of the Burns, Twelvetrees and Wade rejuvenation of the backline!

by BamBam Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:25 pm

wales606 wrote:
BamBam wrote:England to win by 6 or more at evens was practically free money!

wish I had seen those odds with the difference on paper between these sides!

Aye, just saw it on bet365 20 mins before kickoff and couldn't turn it down

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:26 pm

wales606 wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

Grow up

Wales 3rds and 4th beat Japans 1st

Englands 2nds are beating Argentina's 2nd and 3rd

Leave it for the first teams to decide who is better, ok?

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:26 pm

Burns has thrown some awful passes for a wunderkind

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:26 pm

Lineout may as well be a free restart

by BamBam Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:27 pm

We seem to have lost some go forward in the last 10 mins, a bit too lateral at the moment

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:28 pm

And we've gone to our clueless selves at the breakdown. Stupid decision making

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:28 pm

Chequered - my thoughts exactly. Unnecessary push then that penalty, not a good couple of minutes for him.

I've been really impressed with Webber today. Lots of tackles, strong over the ball, strong at set piece and letting his weight be known around the ground. Just what we need in the pack!

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:29 pm

How is that not holding onto the ball by Argentina!?

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:29 pm

Two harsh judgements if you ask me

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:30 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:Two ~~harsh~~ utterly incorrect judgements if you ask me

by RDSguru Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:30 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.

I 2nd what 606 said, Grow up... why try and turn this into another Wales/England bashing thread?

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:30 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

Grow up

Wales 3rds and 4th beat Japans 1st

Englands 2nds are beating Argentina's 2nd and 3rd

Leave it for the first teams to decide who is better, ok?

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.

Yep, 3rds and 4ths

1st XV

1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Richard Hibbard
3. Adam Jones
4. Alun Wyn Jones
5. Ian Evans
6. Dan Lydiate
7. Sam Warburton
8. Toby Faletau
9. Mike Phillips
10. Dan Biggar
11. George North
12. Jamie Roberts
13. Jonathan Davies
14. Alex Cuthbert
15. Leigh Halfpenny

2nd XV

1. Paul James
2. Ken Owens
3. Craig Mitchell
4. Bradley Davies
5. Luke Charteris
6. Aaron Shingler
7. Justin Tipuric
8. Ryan Jones
9. Lloyd Williams
10. Rhys Preistland
11. Eli Walker
12. Ashley Beck
13. Scott Williams
14. Liam Williams
15. Lee Byrne

3rd XV

1. Ryan Bevington
2. Matthew Rees
3. Scott Andrews
4. Andrew Coombes
5. James King
6. Rob McCusker
7. Josh Navidi
8. Andreus Pretorious
9. Tavis Knoyle
10. Rhys Patchell
11. Harry Robinson
12. James Hook
13. Owen Williams
14. Tom Prydie
15. Steven Shingler

4th XV

1. Rhys Gill
2. Emyr Phillips
3. Samson Lee
4. Lou Reed
5. Ian Gough
6. Ellis Jenkins
7. Josh Turnball
8. Dan Baker
9. Rhys Webb
10. Owen Williams
11. Dafydd Howells
12. Jonathan Spratt
13. Adam Warren
14. Richard Fussell
15. Dan Evans

5th XV

1. Sam Hobbs
2. Scott Baldwin
3. Aaron Jarvis

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:31 pm

Have the IRB told the ref to even it up?

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:31 pm

RDSguru wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.

I 2nd what 606 said, Grow up... why try and turn this into another Wales/England bashing thread?

Yeah, we don't need one of those. Let the squads do the talking next Spring

by GLove39 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:31 pm

Who at the BBC thought giving Andy captain obvious Robinson as co commentator was a good idea?

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:31 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Average English 15 age= 24.6 years old (22= 24.8)
Welsh = 23.5 (23.2) so it's a bit younger, yes

Wales just beat Japan, were smashing Argentina.......

Grow up

Wales 3rds and 4th beat Japans 1st

Englands 2nds are beating Argentina's 2nd and 3rd

Leave it for the first teams to decide who is better, ok?

Grow up??

Lets see who gets more ranking points. Wales 3/4th??? Who are you kidding lol

You can't compare any Arg side to a full strength Japan side. The Arg U20 would destroy the Japanese best XV.

Let's be honest none of Wales, England and Arg are at full strength and Japan are always going to struggle against a well conditioned group of players. Let's keep things friendly though please!

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:32 pm

Though I'd say more 3rd than 4ths, tbh

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:32 pm

England have let up a bit this half

I was expecting them to run away with it

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:33 pm

wales606 wrote:England have let up a bit this half

I was expecting them to run away with it

we need a training session in defence too

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:33 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:How is that not holding onto the ball by Argentina!?

Decisions were always going to start going Arg's way given the scoreline. It would've been nice to see Lawes and Kvesic react a bit better to calls of "release England" though.

by Guest Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:34 pm

Score guys?

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:34 pm

waaaaaaay too deep

by nathan Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:34 pm

Am I right in thinking this is the ref for the first test?

.. getting my excuses in real early lol

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:34 pm

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:34 pm

25-3 England

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:35 pm

This was started much earlier by one of your top douches, happy to state Japan are the worst side put out today Wink

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:35 pm

Well hooray

by BamBam Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:36 pm

Nice tackles by Lawes and Eastmond

by wales606 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:36 pm

Burns, 36 and Wade all need to be first choice for England - I honestly don't know why Barritt, Farrell and Ashton have been playing when you have those guys about, or why Brown has been sat on the wing.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:36 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:This was started much earlier by one of your top douches, happy to state Japan are the worst side put out today

Do we rate each others douches now? Who's our top douche?

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:37 pm

Eastmond has come on twice Erm

by Guest Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:37 pm

Impressive

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:37 pm

Not straight

by GLove39 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:37 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:This was started much earlier by one of your top douches, happy to state Japan are the worst side put out today

The Scotland team that trotted out in Durban today would beg to differ...

by BamBam Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:37 pm

Marler does that far too often, unnecessary niggles

by HammerofThunor Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:37 pm

viewtothegym wrote:Impressive

All in the first half. Second has been pretty flat

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:37 pm

Please can we keep this thread to the rugby Sgt!

Morgan and Webber just gone off after brilliant first 50 minutes though they faded a bit in the later 15 - still very strong performances though, my MOM would come from one of the two.

Lawes is having a strong cameo off the bench as well.

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:38 pm

"that'll put some real doubt in Argentina next week"- as opposed to the brimming optimism they must be feeling now, eh, Andy?

by Guest Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:38 pm

Douche? why are you calling each other "shower" in French?

by GLove39 Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:38 pm

Courtney Lawes sent to the sin bin

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:38 pm

Lawes gets a yellow, shocker

by RDSguru Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:38 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:This was started much earlier by one of your top douches, happy to state Japan are the worst side put out today

So you thought you'd try and climb to that top douche level and bring it into a thread where your own team is playing and have played well.

Have some cake cake

by king_carlos Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:39 pm

Just as I said that bye bye Courtney. A stupid penalty and he's paid the price for the team with the yellow card.

by nathan Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:39 pm

How many bloody times are we going to screw those up!?

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:40 pm

Ninja reflexes from Eastmond

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:42 pm

viewtothegym wrote:Douche? why are you calling each other "shower" in French?

Thank god for google eh

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:42 pm

FFS Stretters. Was that Marler for the soft hands?

by BamBam Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:43 pm

Strettle

by Manu's Boxing Coach Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:43 pm

This ref is so poor....

As is Strettle.......

by ChequeredJersey Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:43 pm

No, Kvesic...

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