Merged thread euro competition

[Portnoy's Complaint]

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Apparently there's a meeting today of two mighty behemoths of the English game meet to (presumably) find a common position on the wreckage of the negotiations on the future of European competition.

It will be interesting if they come to any clear (I doubt that it will be satisfactory) conclusion.

This, remember, is a discussion between two spectacularly incompetent bodies which have presided over farcical maladministration over the past decade.

The RFU, standard bearers of the ideals and ethos of the famed 57 Old Farts, have stumbled and staggered their way 'forward' since the dawn of professionalism.
vs
The PRL who have never managed to provide a satisfactory cohesive, decision which actually improves the English game with a satisfactory watertight, long term 'what if?' structured set of rules. They in their short history have represented solely the elite game through a seemingly never-ending stream of short-term, knee-jerk decisions which sow the quick-germinating seeds of insoluble and self-contradictory positions for the future. From its inception it has been nothing less than a disaster from the issue of voting shares, through parachute payments to the fundamental process of promotion/relegation itself. Bumbling incompetents.

Unfortunately they (the PRL) have the players and therefore all the cards over the RFU exactly two years before the 2015 RWC starts on English soil.

Grim and depressing innit? Especially for non-combatants.

[nathan]

So they wait while we go ahead in expanding a European cup without them.

Its an obvious sign of desperation along with the leaking of Rabo teams supposedly interested in joining and the nonsense about SH teams joining.

No body wants to play with them while they set the rules and they are whining and screaming and threatening to hold their breath  until they go blue.

have they leaked the Rabo teams that are interested? got a link as i haven't seen that?

[TJ]

Cartel is price fixing.

It is not beyond the wit of the various unions to make it watertight.  The threat of legal action is a sign of how desperate they have become. They have lost the argument, they have not been able to create any splits, they do not have the support of the unions, they have no competition to put on, they have totally misread the situation and the opposition of the other unions and those of us that understand the value of things that cannot be measured in money

crikey, to think you learnt all that by reading whats in the media! lol

Yup - its pretty obvious to anyone who is open-minded and listening. remember these guys are psychopaths like many successful business men - they don't see the world as most of us do and are unable to understand others world views. Once you understand that it all becomes clearer. It is true that most successful business men show psychopathic traits strongly.

[stub]

TJ - I don't think we actually know what's going on. Probably quite a lot.

[nathan]

also a fact that people seem to skip is that the PRL don't want to be in charge and have said they would create something similar to the ERC.

[nathan]

Cartel is price fixing.

It is not beyond the wit of the various unions to make it watertight.  The threat of legal action is a sign of how desperate they have become. They have lost the argument, they have not been able to create any splits, they do not have the support of the unions, they have no competition to put on, they have totally misread the situation and the opposition of the other unions and those of us that understand the value of things that cannot be measured in money

crikey, to think you learnt all that by reading whats in the media! lol

Yup - its pretty obvious to anyone who is open-minded and listening.  remember these guys are psychopaths like many successful business men - they don't see the world as most of us do and are unable to understand others world views.  Once you understand that it all becomes clearer.  It is true that most successful business men show psychopathic traits strongly.

lol, think you may have opened your mind a little too much there. I'll remember that one, many successful businessman are psychopaths  

[TJ]

Its true.  read the research.  I have.  Actually I said have psychopathic traits - psychopathic personality disorder is the name used and its another spectrum disorder.   Once you understand this the motivation of these guys become clear and one of the things is the willingness to leave devastation behind if they don't get their own way.  Its an odd thing but actually the lack of empathy of the psychopath tends to make you successful as businessman.  that ruthlessness.  the willingness to let others suffer if it means you win. the personal aggrandisement. Have a google on it - you will be suprised

[TJ]

also a fact that people seem to skip is that the PRL don't want to be in charge and have said they would create something similar to the ERC.

Utter nonsense and you know it. Its all about being in charge and dictating the terms

[nathan]

Its true.  read the research.  I have.  Actually I said have psychopathic traits - psychopathic personality disorder is the name used and its another spectrum disorder.   Once you understand this the motivation of these guys become clear and one often things is the willingness to leave devastation behind if they don't get their own way.  Its an odd thing but actually the lack of empathy of the psychopath tens to make you successful s a businessman.  that ruthlessness.  the willingness to let others suffer if it means you win. the personal aggrandisement. Have a google on it - you will be suprised

"remember these guys are psychopaths like many successful business men"

errrr you said the above.

[nathan]

also a fact that people seem to skip is that the PRL don't want to be in charge and have said they would create something similar to the ERC.

Utter nonsense and you know it.  Its all about being in charge and dictating the terms

Whys it utter nonsense? What proof do you have other than it fits yours and fair few Rabo fans ideal of the pantomime PRL villain?

[TJ]

Because its the only plausible reason. They have as good as said it themselves and the BT contract that was done by the PRL shows this. the negotiating ( or lack of it ) stance shows this.

[HammerofThunor]

Its true.  read the research.  I have.  Actually I said have psychopathic traits - psychopathic personality disorder is the name used and its another spectrum disorder.   Once you understand this the motivation of these guys become clear and one of the things is the willingness to leave devastation behind if they don't get their own way.  Its an odd thing but actually the lack of empathy of the psychopath tends to make you successful as businessman.  that ruthlessness.  the willingness to let others suffer if it means you win. the personal aggrandisement. Have a google on it - you will be suprised

Care to provide references?

Still waiting on the source for the claims that French Law means the LNR are more beholden to the FFR than the PRL is to the RFU.

[nathan]

Because its the only plausible reason.  They have as good as said it themselves and the BT contract that was done by the PRL shows this.  the negotiating ( or lack of it ) stance shows this.  

you mean plausible reason to you, as you said previously open your mind!

[nathan]

Because its the only plausible reason.  They have as good as said it themselves and the BT contract that was done by the PRL shows this.  the negotiating ( or lack of it ) stance shows this.  

you have no way in hell in knowing who has or hasn't negotiated, your just regurgitating what we hear and read in the media which you said yourself is being used for political reasons.

[TJ]

.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/ put the http on the front.  Just one of many pieces of wortk on this.

and anotehr prorevnews.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/how-to-tell-psychopathic-businessman.html

[Guest]

also a fact that people seem to skip is that the PRL don't want to be in charge and have said they would create something similar to the ERC.

Utter nonsense and you know it.  Its all about being in charge and dictating the terms

Whys it utter nonsense? What proof do you have other than it fits yours and fair few Rabo fans ideal of the pantomime PRL villain?

I don't know, Nathan, but it does seem an odd comment to make considering PRL want total club control of any new competition. Who runs it if not PRL/LNR? Ok, a vote per team entered, but then the PRL/LNR controlled teams would represent the biggest block by far, wouldn't they?

[nathan]

The article mentions that (some) psychopaths make great ceo's, not that businessman are psychopaths.

Very two different things!

[tecphobe]

Its true.  read the research.  I have.  Actually I said have psychopathic traits - psychopathic personality disorder is the name used and its another spectrum disorder.   Once you understand this the motivation of these guys become clear and one of the things is the willingness to leave devastation behind if they don't get their own way.  Its an odd thing but actually the lack of empathy of the psychopath tends to make you successful as businessman.  that ruthlessness.  the willingness to let others suffer if it means you win. the personal aggrandisement. Have a google on it - you will be suprised

Care to provide references?

Still waiting on the source for the claims that French Law means the LNR are more beholden to the FFR than the PRL is to the RFU.

The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies, and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success. "However, when it comes to sociopathy, we seem to have a somewhat functioning definition: a lack of empathy, emotions, or ability to identify with others coupled with a superficial charm, persuasiveness, focus, and egomania.

It might surprise some to learn, however, that the vast majority of sociopaths aren't killers lurking in the shadows. Most of them are walking around among us, immersed in careers that nurture their psychological traits, and in some cases even reward them." Number one job CEO

[nathan]

also a fact that people seem to skip is that the PRL don't want to be in charge and have said they would create something similar to the ERC.

Utter nonsense and you know it.  Its all about being in charge and dictating the terms

Whys it utter nonsense? What proof do you have other than it fits yours and fair few Rabo fans ideal of the pantomime PRL villain?

I don't know, Nathan, but it does seem an odd comment to make considering PRL want total club control of any new competition. Who runs it if not PRL/LNR? Ok, a vote per team entered, but then the PRL/LNR controlled teams would represent the biggest block by far, wouldn't they?

McCafferty revealed the proposed Rugby Champions Cup would be overseen by an “organising body of some sort – it doesn’t need to be as big, unwieldy or institutionalised as ERC”.

They have already mentioned it wouldn't be the PRL controlling it, now i ask you. Wheres your reference to the "considering PRL want total club control of any new competition"?

[TJ]

Read up a bit more on it. The actions of the main protagonists on the PRL side fit very nicely as psychopathic traits. 4 % of CEOs are diagnosable psychopaths having scored high enough on the scale to be true psychopaths but as it is a spectrum disorder many many others show traits without going far enough to get the full diagnosis. Its an odd thing and to some extent it is almost as if a person needs to have these traits to be good at business. people like me with low levels of these traits cannot run a business. its just beyond my capabilities. I have tried

[Biltong]

Sorry boys, have to lock this one.

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