Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

by Bull Sun 22 Sep 2013, 5:07 pm

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Cleverly ?? Are you freaking kidding me!

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:38 am

Yes Felani didn't look too great in fairness. I think his haircut added 18m to his price tag

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:38 am

Rooney played ok and threatened Wolf. But Kompany had a great game

by Stella Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:39 am

Rooney did play well but his team mates made him look better.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:41 am

Yes Stella you are right. However Rooney needed a decent player to supply him better to make him look better rather than playing rubbish to make him look better

by Stella Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:43 am

mystiroakey wrote:Yes Stella you are right. However Rooney needed a decent player to supply him better to make him look better rather than playing rubbish to make him look better

Wellbeck made the wrong pass a couple of times, and is NOT the prefect partner is he. Could Felliani play off a front man? He has the intelligence.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:45 am

If Moyes does not play Zaha after that display from there wingers he should run back to south london and keep us in the prem!!

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 10:47 am

I am not quite sure what united want with fellaini tbh. Because he is only another carrick(at best!)

They need an attacking midfielder!!

If SAF was about would they have taken on OZIL??

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:06 am

Stella wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:I'm glad I fell asleep!! No complaints, City were 2 levels above Utd from what I saw but the Moyes Project is a long-term thing, not a short-term "throw lots of money at it" project. Kompany backed up my view that he's by far the best CB in the world, Rooney never got a sniff against him.
2 years ago City gave a Fergie-United an even bigger thumping and yet could only scrape to a goal difference finish ahead of United with the last kick of the season come May.

This game doesn't have to mean much. From what I've seen it's mainly just Arsenal fans getting over-excited because they're top of the league (having played only 1 decent side which they scraped a win against) and look like contending for something for the first time in almost a decade.
The 6-1 game flattered City but yesterday's game was more comprehensive. Utd will do well to finish fourth, imo.

Will hold judgement until May.

At the end of the day until this weekend, Liverpool were leading the EPL based on a fluke result against United and beating nobody else of note and those wheels have come off. Arsenal now lead having only 1 win of note also (a scrape past Spurs, about as deserved as 'Pools v United) and have beaten/played nobody else decent and managed to get embarrassed by Villa (much worse than than almost the same score versus title contenders who've spent £300m in the last few years).

So far the upper echelons of the EPL have been all over the place, how anyone can pick a winner/loser now is beyond me. United have played City and Liverpool away and Chelsea (most people's #1 pick) at home in their first 5 fixtures. I'm not worried, yet........

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:07 am

mystiroakey wrote:I am not quite sure what united want with fellaini tbh. Because he is only another carrick(at best!)

They need an attacking midfielder!!

If SAF was about would they have taken on OZIL??

What, like they did 4 years ago when he could've been snapped up for £12m???!

by Guest Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:11 am

United were embarrassing yesterday, quite funny really, especially how delusional and carried away they were after the Leverkusen result. As I said, Leverkusen made Valencia look like the greatest right winger ever seen, glad that city & kolarov bought him back to reality. dreadfully bad signing for £15m. Carrick & Fellaini......my word. That has got to be the worst, most stagnant midfield pairing i've seen in years. A snail could walk round them, serious issues there. Ashley Young......oh dear. what has happened to this guy, needs to be shipped out. Welbeck proved again, although service was poor that he's nothing special up front and everyone knows he cant finish. Vidic showing his age now i fear aswell, especially after the injuries he's had. some big problems for united to solve.

by Stella Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:13 am

Top hat

Yes, almost impossible to pick the champions thus far but it won't be Utd, well very doubtful. Arsenal normally fall away but their defense was superb at the end of last season and they will always score goals. Can they beat the big teams when it matters?

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:23 am

I have already backed arsenal at 8/1

However after last night City will have gone bigger favs over chelsea

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:26 am

John wrote:United were embarrassing yesterday, quite funny really, especially how delusional and carried away they were after the Leverkusen result. As I said, Leverkusen made Valencia look like the greatest right winger ever seen, glad that city & kolarov bought him back to reality. dreadfully bad signing for £15m. Carrick & Fellaini......my word. That has got to be the worst, most stagnant midfield pairing i've seen in years. A snail could walk round them, serious issues there. Ashley Young......oh dear. what has happened to this guy, needs to be shipped out. Welbeck proved again, although service was poor that he's nothing special up front and everyone knows he cant finish. Vidic showing his age now i fear aswell, especially after the injuries he's had. some big problems for united to solve.

Really?

Neither I nor any of the 5 United fans I'm mates with were remotely. Laughed at how poor Bayer were, but didn't think the result changed much from our luke-warm start to the season.

by Ent Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:29 am

Were crap and we know we are - it is everyone else who is deluded.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:29 am

If I were going to guess (and that's all it is right now), I'd see the monpoly boys fighting it out for the title come May.

Arsenal are a surprise, as I thought they'd struggle for 4th, but Ozil has now swapped them with United in my estimations of success. That said, will wait to see what happens once they start facing top half of the table sides. Would take a 4-1 loss away to City over a 3-1 loss to Villa every day of the week.

by Guest Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:31 am

Well the united fans i know, were creaming themselves over the result for some reason & with the regaining of form of rooney and his partnership with RVP. Think the media also read to much into it but agree, i think united are average, have been for some time and think it will be a tough year. watching fellaini yesterday just looked horrible, didnt fit at all. that midfield partnership will not work against the high energy top teams, as shown yesterday.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:33 am

The most settled team in the top 5 is Arsenal.

I cant see them going on a horrid run of form..

Chelsea are disjointed, Citeh are flaky, Man lack depth.

Tottenham are winning ugly i suppose- That could be a very good sign for them!

Liverpool played the best footy out of any team- until the recent loss- but now suarez is back in so that loss can just be forgotten!

This is shaping up to being an amazing season!

by Ent Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:35 am

I don't particularly rate any of the top sides as outstanding candidates for the title.

Chelsea have been insipid in many games and lost to basle at home.

City have looked poor up until this weekend losing to Cardiff and drawing with Stoke.

United have been abysmal and the manager is clueless.

Really unless someone puts it all together after Christmas I can see this being a season where the lowest points total in years wins the league. Wouldn't be surprised if 80-82 points won it.

Just such a poor league now compared to 5 years ago- barely worth watching.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:36 am

Man u still have a chance imo.

Any team that has rooney and RVP and a half decent defense will still create.. Playing carrick and Fellaini and only having rooney up top is a struggle.. Its basically an england team!!

by Ent Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:36 am

John wrote:Well the united fans i know, were creaming themselves over the result for some reason & with the regaining of form of rooney and his partnership with RVP. Think the media also read to much into it but agree, i think united are average, have been for some time and think it will be a tough year. watching fellaini yesterday just looked horrible, didnt fit at all. that midfield partnership will not work against the high energy top teams, as shown yesterday.

Yes we know fellani is crap and no one wanted him signed.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:36 am

"Just such a poor league now compared to 5 years ago- barely worth watching."

lol-- the only fans that will say that is MANU fans!!!

Its a great league. Competition is what makes it

by Stella Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:37 am

Ent wrote:I don't particularly rate any of the top sides as outstanding candidates for the title.

Chelsea have been insipid in many games and lost to basle at home.

City have looked poor up until this weekend losing to Cardiff and drawing with Stoke.

United have been abysmal and the manager is clueless.

Really unless someone puts it all together after Christmas I can see this being a season where the lowest points total in years wins the league. Wouldn't be surprised if 80-82 points won it.

Just such a poor league now compared to 5 years ago- barely worth watching.

The standard maybe, but not knowing who's going to finish top/top four makes a nice change.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:38 am

The quality is still here Stella. Its just it is spread about.

by Stella Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:38 am

Ent wrote:
John wrote:Well the united fans i know, were creaming themselves over the result for some reason & with the regaining of form of rooney and his partnership with RVP. Think the media also read to much into it but agree, i think united are average, have been for some time and think it will be a tough year. watching fellaini yesterday just looked horrible, didnt fit at all. that midfield partnership will not work against the high energy top teams, as shown yesterday.
Yes we know fellani is crap and no one wanted him signed.

I don't get these Fellaini is crap talk. He's a very good player but not in CM. Put him behind the front two and he will prosper.

by Fernando Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:39 am

Im very happy with Arsenal's start to the season, Aston Villa have always been a bit of a bogey side for us so weren't expecting too much from that. Ramsey has been quality and Ozil is making english football look a doddle so far. If we can continue if could get up the Leyton Orient point where their not great but the confidence is taking them through matches.

by Ent Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:40 am

mystiroakey wrote:Man u still have a chance imo.

Any team that has rooney and RVP and a half decent defense will still create.. Playing carrick and Fellaini and only having rooney up top is a struggle.. Its basically an england team!!

Well do well to make the cl this year because of moyes, keeps playing players every week who need carefully managed due to fitness problems and plays too many duff/unreliable players in his sides.

These big defeats will keep happening as young, Valencia etc will all flop against the big sides. Say what you want about welbeck he can be relied upon to do his job and that's why fergie picked him wide left a lot last season.

Fellani is our 4th biggest transfer ever I believe- what a laugh that is.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:40 am

Fellaini allways stated he is a better DM over an AM. BUt maybe you are right. We will see how moyes plays him I suppose

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:41 am

Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Man u still have a chance imo.

Any team that has rooney and RVP and a half decent defense will still create.. Playing carrick and Fellaini and only having rooney up top is a struggle.. Its basically an england team!!
Well do well to make the cl this year because of moyes, keeps playing players every week who need carefully managed due to fitness problems and plays too many duff/unreliable players in his sides.

These big defeats will keep happening as young, Valencia etc will all flop against the big sides. Say what you want about welbeck he can be relied upon to do his job and that's why fergie picked him wide left a lot last season.

Fellani is our 4th biggest transfer ever I believe- what a laugh that is.

You need to play ZAHA!!!!

by Ent Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:42 am

Stella wrote:
Ent wrote:I don't particularly rate any of the top sides as outstanding candidates for the title.

Chelsea have been insipid in many games and lost to basle at home.

City have looked poor up until this weekend losing to Cardiff and drawing with Stoke.

United have been abysmal and the manager is clueless.

Really unless someone puts it all together after Christmas I can see this being a season where the lowest points total in years wins the league. Wouldn't be surprised if 80-82 points won it.

Just such a poor league now compared to 5 years ago- barely worth watching.
The standard maybe, but not knowing who's going to finish top/top four makes a nice change.

Watch the championship then.

Why would you change your formation and system for fellani when you could have done the same for an available ozil?

He's a useless big ganch who throws his weight about in the box.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:43 am

mystiroakey wrote:The most settled team in the top 5 is Arsenal.

I cant see them going on a horrid run of form..

Chelsea are disjointed, Citeh are flaky, Man lack depth.

Tottenham are winning ugly i suppose- That could be a very good sign for them!

Liverpool played the best footy out of any team- until the recent loss- but now suarez is back in so that loss can just be forgotten!

This is shaping up to being an amazing season!

Easily to look settled playing dross. See how settled Arsenal are at the Lane or Stamford Bridge or the Etihad.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:43 am

They looked v Tottenham Tophat!

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:44 am

mystiroakey wrote:
Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Man u still have a chance imo.

Any team that has rooney and RVP and a half decent defense will still create.. Playing carrick and Fellaini and only having rooney up top is a struggle.. Its basically an england team!!
Well do well to make the cl this year because of moyes, keeps playing players every week who need carefully managed due to fitness problems and plays too many duff/unreliable players in his sides.

These big defeats will keep happening as young, Valencia etc will all flop against the big sides. Say what you want about welbeck he can be relied upon to do his job and that's why fergie picked him wide left a lot last season.

Fellani is our 4th biggest transfer ever I believe- what a laugh that is.
You need to play ZAHA!!!!

And KAGAWA!!!!!

by Ent Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:44 am

I would play zaha he can't do any worse than Valencia and young.

Valencia is in the team to defend as he offers nothing going forward but he is brain dead and reactive in his defending rather than knowing what he is doing.

He sprints back on occassion and to loose balls and fools everyone into thinking he works hard.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:44 am

^looked good

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:45 am

Ent wrote:I would play zaha he can't do any worse than Valencia and young.

Valencia is in the team to defend as he offers nothing going forward but he is brain dead and reactive in his defending rather than knowing what he is doing.

He sprints back on occassion and to loose balls and fools everyone into thinking he works hard.

Well exactly and he is actually quality. But why he hasn't even got a chance is what i can't work out!!

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:46 am

mystiroakey wrote:They looked v Tottenham Tophat!

No, they didn't. They narrowly edged a win in a game they did not dominate. Same as Liverpool v United.

by Ent Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:46 am

Need to change formation for kagawa, which won't happen with Rooney and rvp in side.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:47 am

Sell Rooney to a decent team then Ent!

by Stella Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:48 am

Ent wrote:
Stella wrote:
Ent wrote:I don't particularly rate any of the top sides as outstanding candidates for the title.

Chelsea have been insipid in many games and lost to basle at home.

City have looked poor up until this weekend losing to Cardiff and drawing with Stoke.

United have been abysmal and the manager is clueless.

Really unless someone puts it all together after Christmas I can see this being a season where the lowest points total in years wins the league. Wouldn't be surprised if 80-82 points won it.

Just such a poor league now compared to 5 years ago- barely worth watching.
The standard maybe, but not knowing who's going to finish top/top four makes a nice change.
Watch the championship then.

Why would you change your formation and system for fellani when you could have done the same for an available ozil?

He's a useless big ganch who throws his weight about in the box.

I do watch it and the EPL, and both are better for not having runaway leaders.

by mystiroakey Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:51 am

I think QPR may just run away. Cardiff also run away last season.

But the Champs isn't about a winner anyway. Its about the top 2 and top 6!

It is a great league!

by Stella Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:52 am

mystiroakey wrote:I think QPR may just run away. Cardiff also run away last season.

But the Champs isn't about a winner anyway. Its about the top 2 and top 6!

It is a great league!

QPR should be in the top two. The lower leagues are so unpredictable in the main though.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:55 am

Ent wrote:Need to change formation for kagawa, which won't happen with Rooney and rvp in side.

Rooney and Kagawa behind RVP.

Carrick, Fel +1 in midfield.

Are wingers are all rubbish so don't bother trying to play with width to accommodate them.

Or if we are going to rigidly stick to 'width', then go big balls and play zaha and janovic (sp?), blood them fresh and young like the United kids of the 90s.

by The Special Juan Mon 23 Sep 2013, 12:07 pm

Januzaj (Not trying to be a smartarse)

by GSC Mon 23 Sep 2013, 12:09 pm

Rooney an Kagawa wouldn't work both want the same space.

It's either or and Rooneys better

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 12:19 pm

Rooney is better the 1 game in 10 he plays fit and on form.

by GSC Mon 23 Sep 2013, 12:23 pm

And Kagawa has proven his quality countless times in a United shirt

by Stella Mon 23 Sep 2013, 12:27 pm

Rooney RVP Wellbeck

Kagawa Felliani

Carrick

by TopHat24/7 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 1:12 pm

GSC wrote:And Kagawa has proven his quality countless times in a United shirt

never been given a consistent chance.

managed to look great in every other shirt he's played in.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 23 Sep 2013, 1:14 pm

Wayne Rooney is a better player than Shinji Kagawa. It's not even close

by GSC Mon 23 Sep 2013, 1:21 pm

He's had chances. He hasn't performed to a high level consistently.

He's been.overhyped because united fans needed to talk themselves into losing Rooney

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