Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

[Bull]

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Cleverly ?? Are you freaking kidding me!

[Breadvan]

They boo him due to the hysteria created from an accident.

Not helped by MOTD2 fawning all over it...

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

It's all very childish

[Ent]

It's all very childish

As is all football ever chatted to someone about it at a bar or in work?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

It's all very childish

As is all football ever chatted to someone about it at a bar or in work?

I get brief conversations with football fans occasionally whilst serving them chips Ent, some aren't the brightest sparks, but then Norwich fans generally aren't

[Lumbering_Jack]

They boo him due to the hysteria created from an accident.

It was a disgraceful challenge. Nothing but down right thuggery. If you go flying into a challenge high and like a missile then if you seriously injure a player you should face an extensive punishment. He set back Ramsey by around 24 months.

[Ent]

They boo him due to the hysteria created from an accident.

It was a disgraceful challenge. Nothing but down right thuggery. If you go flying into a challenge high and like a missile then if you seriously injure a player you should face an extensive punishment. He set back Ramsey by around 24 months.

Yeah but that's not what happened. Freak incident.

[Champagne_Socialist]

You judge Arsenal when they go to Old Trafford, Etihad, Stamford Bridge etc. That's the true indicator of how Arsenal have progressed. Yeah, it a good start but we've seen it all before with Arsenal. Don't get carried away with results against Sunderland, Marseille or Stoke. Ozil could of been blind-folded & still got a haul of assists. Lets wait & see where Arsenal are post Xmas......I bet they won't be in the top 3.

Exactly.

So if we only judge a team after they have played the other TOP teams how do we judge United? 2 losses and 1 draw in 3 games against top teams including a 4-1 hammering.

[mystiroakey]

".I bet they won't be in the top 3."

I will take that bet!

[TopHat24/7]

Wayne Rooney is a better player than Shinji Kagawa. It's not even close

Yes, when he's fit and on form.  Which has been about 1 game in 10 the last couple of years.

more hyperbole

1 IN 10..  

Hardly, the Bayer game was his first great performance this season in, what? 6 games?

You are stating that kawaga is better 90% of the time.. Nonsense mate

There's no reason why Kagawa can't be better than an unfit and out of form Rooney, if only he were given the chance.

[GSC]

If Rooney is unfit and out of form then Uniteds squad is worse than I thought

[TopHat24/7]

You judge Arsenal when they go to Old Trafford, Etihad, Stamford Bridge etc. That's the true indicator of how Arsenal have progressed. Yeah, it a good start but we've seen it all before with Arsenal. Don't get carried away with results against Sunderland, Marseille or Stoke. Ozil could of been blind-folded & still got a haul of assists. Lets wait & see where Arsenal are post Xmas......I bet they won't be in the top 3.

Exactly.

So if we only judge a team after they have played the other TOP teams how do we judge United? 2 losses and 1 draw in 3 games against top teams including a 4-1 hammering.

Does the EPL consist of ONLY top6 sides? No, it doesn't.

Does the EPL consist of ONLY bottom6 sides? No, it doesn't.

Therefore you judge sides once they've played a balanced mix of sides.

You can win the EPL with 6 losses, therefore we can effectively lose to City again, lose to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, go 1-1 with both Arsenal and Spurs and still win the league.

This won't happen, but it highlights the idiocy of writing one team off for losing to two top teams whilst proclaiming another one champions in waiting for beating some distinctly average ones (whilst also conveniently excusing/ignoring that team's and other top teams' losses against inferior opposition).

[MIG]

You judge Arsenal when they go to Old Trafford, Etihad, Stamford Bridge etc. That's the true indicator of how Arsenal have progressed. Yeah, it a good start but we've seen it all before with Arsenal. Don't get carried away with results against Sunderland, Marseille or Stoke. Ozil could of been blind-folded & still got a haul of assists. Lets wait & see where Arsenal are post Xmas......I bet they won't be in the top 3.

Exactly.

So if we only judge a team after they have played the other TOP teams how do we judge United? 2 losses and 1 draw in 3 games against top teams including a 4-1 hammering.

Does the EPL consist of ONLY top6 sides? No, it doesn't.

Does the EPL consist of ONLY bottom6 sides? No, it doesn't.

Therefore you judge sides once they've played a balanced mix of sides.

You can win the EPL with 6 losses, therefore we can effectively lose to City again, lose to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, go 1-1 with both Arsenal and Spurs and still win the league.

This won't happen, but it highlights the idiocy of writing one team off for losing to two top teams whilst proclaiming another one champions in waiting for beating some distinctly average ones (whilst also conveniently excusing/ignoring that team's and other top teams' losses against inferior opposition).

I agree with this.  Some people on here are sounding like journalists when they talk about England.  One win against anyone and we're good enough to win the World Cup.  One defeat and we're finished and the manager needs to go.

[Guest]

I was right  

[Fernando]

Juventus/Barcelona interested in taking Adnan Januzaj on a free next season can sign him up in January

[Guest]

Januzaj was sitting next to RVP during the City game & thinking, 'christ we're ****'. Wouldn't surprise me if he left, just like Pogba. United is not the be-all-and-end-all nowadays in English football, especially without Ferguson. If they don't offer the kids the opportunity & would rather continue playing Giggs, Valencia & all the other garbage at the club, then it's no surprise they are thinking of leaving.

[Champagne_Socialist]

You judge Arsenal when they go to Old Trafford, Etihad, Stamford Bridge etc. That's the true indicator of how Arsenal have progressed. Yeah, it a good start but we've seen it all before with Arsenal. Don't get carried away with results against Sunderland, Marseille or Stoke. Ozil could of been blind-folded & still got a haul of assists. Lets wait & see where Arsenal are post Xmas......I bet they won't be in the top 3.

Exactly.

So if we only judge a team after they have played the other TOP teams how do we judge United? 2 losses and 1 draw in 3 games against top teams including a 4-1 hammering.

Does the EPL consist of ONLY top6 sides? No, it doesn't.

Does the EPL consist of ONLY bottom6 sides? No, it doesn't.

Therefore you judge sides once they've played a balanced mix of sides.

You can win the EPL with 6 losses, therefore we can effectively lose to City again, lose to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, go 1-1 with both Arsenal and Spurs and still win the league.

This won't happen, but it highlights the idiocy of writing one team off for losing to two top teams whilst proclaiming another one champions in waiting for beating some distinctly average ones (whilst also conveniently excusing/ignoring that team's and other top teams' losses against inferior opposition).

Man United fan in denial about your clubs regression.

[JamesLincs]

my thoughts are, are that spurs will pick up alot of wins this season against the 'lesser' sides. however i think experience will win over and our head-tohead difference will be the deciding factor come may.

fantastic win on sunday. i wish i could stick around on the board at the end to celebrate and really rub it in steffans face, but unfortunately had to be elsewhere. deserved win although marshall was fantastic for cardiff. the defence did its job most of the time, alot of our chances came from outside the box but they were all efforts marshall had to deal with, and deal with well!

lloris as i said during the game, should of been off probably, but it was too close a call for the officials. he is also the reason we have 7 clean sheets in 8. if you ignore the incident, youll see its world class keeping. he is so unbelievably quick off his line and if you were one on one with a keeper, the last man you want to see s lloris. hes even better than reina in that sweeper role. i absolutely hate liverpool with a passion, but admit that reina was absolutely world class. however, lloris, in time will be better than even him.

i cant see us losing many. i expect the likes on city, arsenal and chelsea to do the double over us. but i feel they may be our only defeats this season. but i can see the win column up into the high 20's at the end

absolutely dominant performance once again, we must average over 20 goal attempts a game. paulinho, dembele, sandro and capoue will absolutely boss our midfield when called upon.

shame arsenal are above us...

[Stella]

many Utd fans were unsure of Moyes' appointment, and this start will not have done him any good. That said, he was brought in for the long term. He will be rightly given couple of seasons I would have thought.

[Champagne_Socialist]

many Utd fans were unsure of Moyes' appointment, and this start will not have done him any good. That said, he was brought in for the long term. He will be rightly given couple of seasons I would have thought.

Problem is that Man U are so used to winning the EPL under Fergusen that anything less is a massive disappointment. Also there is no guarantee Man U will get top 4. Arsenal, Man city, Chelsea, Liverpool and Tottenham will all be battling Man U for top 4.

[JamesLincs]

lmfao. mackay says lloris was holding onto gunnarson???? gunnarsons holding lloris' arm! jesus christ! what a ridiculous thing to say

[Stella]

many Utd fans were unsure of Moyes' appointment, and this start will not have done him any good. That said, he was brought in for the long term. He will be rightly given couple of seasons I would have thought.

Problem is that Man U are so used to winning the EPL under Fergusen that anything less is a massive disappointment. Also there is no guarantee Man U will get top 4. Arsenal, Man city, Chelsea, Liverpool and Tottenham will all be battling Man U for top 4.

Their fans (not the southern ones) will cope I'm sure. By the way, I'm not writing off Utd for a top four spot, as they have RVP and Rooney. Utd could though become a cup team ala the 1980's under Moyes?

[Guest]

United losing Ferguson & then only buying Fellaini, who offers very little & then seeing all your rivals spending in the ranges of £50m-£100+m was always going to be a recipe for disaster for United. Everyone else has taken steps forward & while United have remained stagnant, you could even argue have taken steps back, therefore, I am not surprised by this start to the season. It is still early days & I expect a reaction from the squad, not through Moyes' interaction with them but from their own innate determination, desire & professionalism that the United team & teams of old possess. Too four should still be achievable for United, people are really jumping on the bandwagon & over-hyping a few teams after a couple of good results. I heard Liverpool were 'world beaters' only a week ago & claiming this could be their year, they then lost to Southampton. I expect the same with Arsenal. It's still very early days, it's unpredictable & competitive......that's all we can ask for.

[TopHat24/7]

Januzaj was sitting next to RVP during the City game & thinking, 'christ we're ****'. Wouldn't surprise me if he left, just like Pogba. United is not the be-all-and-end-all nowadays in English football, especially without Ferguson. If they don't offer the kids the opportunity & would rather continue playing Giggs, Valencia & all the other garbage at the club, then it's no surprise they are thinking of leaving.

Pogba left because he's a c**t. Big like Ravel.

And last rumour I heard was Pogba is now being shepherded out of Juve too.

[TopHat24/7]

You judge Arsenal when they go to Old Trafford, Etihad, Stamford Bridge etc. That's the true indicator of how Arsenal have progressed. Yeah, it a good start but we've seen it all before with Arsenal. Don't get carried away with results against Sunderland, Marseille or Stoke. Ozil could of been blind-folded & still got a haul of assists. Lets wait & see where Arsenal are post Xmas......I bet they won't be in the top 3.

Exactly.

So if we only judge a team after they have played the other TOP teams how do we judge United? 2 losses and 1 draw in 3 games against top teams including a 4-1 hammering.

Does the EPL consist of ONLY top6 sides? No, it doesn't.

Does the EPL consist of ONLY bottom6 sides? No, it doesn't.

Therefore you judge sides once they've played a balanced mix of sides.

You can win the EPL with 6 losses, therefore we can effectively lose to City again, lose to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, go 1-1 with both Arsenal and Spurs and still win the league.

This won't happen, but it highlights the idiocy of writing one team off for losing to two top teams whilst proclaiming another one champions in waiting for beating some distinctly average ones (whilst also conveniently excusing/ignoring that team's and other top teams' losses against inferior opposition).

Man United fan in denial about your clubs regression.

Forum WUM who still can't construct a decent argument.

[Duty281]

Why are United in regression? They're in transition, not regression, and it's too soon to know whether or not it'll be a good one or a bad one.

[GSC]

Pogba wanted to play, which given his performances last season and the midfielders United have, denying him that makes United look a bit dumb tbh. Would've fit the mould perfectly and wouldnt have cost a penny

[talkingpickle]

Trust me id like to see Utd fail this season, but writing them off after 5 games is just plain stupid!

[TopHat24/7]

Denying a novice junior of unproven quality regular first team starting football makes United look stupid??!

Get off your soapbox, GSC.

[GSC]

Denying a clearly very talented youngster chances to prove himself at a position of weakness? Who then went on to perform very well at a top European club on a free.

Stop getting so utterly defensive everytime someone dares criticise United.

[Ent]

He wasn't given first team football because of his posturing over his contract.

Had he signed a deal he would have played simple - you can't reward poor behaviour. Morrison was the same.

[TopHat24/7]

Denying a clearly very talented youngster chances to prove himself at a position of weakness? Who then went on to perform very well at a top European club on a free.

And is now being ushered out again because, again, he's a little c**t.

No, of course, your definitely know better than SAF.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Denying a clearly very talented youngster chances to prove himself at a position of weakness? Who then went on to perform very well at a top European club on a free.

And is now being ushered out again because, again, he's a little c**t.

No, of course, your definitely know better than SAF.

Is he being ushered out of Juve?

[Champagne_Socialist]

Trust me id like to see Utd fail this season, but writing them off after 5 games is just plain stupid!

I wouldn't normally write a team off after 5 games and I am not writing man U off, they have some great players but they have made some dreadful decisions since the summer regarding transfers and also the best manager in the world, ferguson is no longer there.

Will man u win the league? maybe. Will man u finish top 4? probably. But they will struggle this season away against the big teams and that is what I think will cost them.

[TopHat24/7]

Denying a clearly very talented youngster chances to prove himself at a position of weakness? Who then went on to perform very well at a top European club on a free.

And is now being ushered out again because, again, he's a little c**t.

No, of course, your definitely know better than SAF.

Is he being ushered out of Juve?

That's the rumour. Basically he's a bit of a Balotelli, undeniably talented but unjustifiably arrogant and cauing dressing room discontent.

[GSC]

Denying a clearly very talented youngster chances to prove himself at a position of weakness? Who then went on to perform very well at a top European club on a free.

And is now being ushered out again because, again, he's a little c**t.

No, of course, your definitely know better than SAF.

Is he being ushered out of Juve?

Considering they rejected bids for him in the summer, I don't think so

SAF made his fair share of transfer mistakes, hes hardly omniscient.

Again, stop being so defensive.

[TopHat24/7]

And which players has he let go that've come back to haunt him??

[GSC]

Ronaldo last season. Tevez.

[Stella]

Signed some duff as well. Bound to in 26 years, hey.

[GSC]

Signed some duff as well. Bound to in 26 years, hey.

True enough. Don't get the need to get so defensive over it

[Fernando]

#BringBackBebe

Bebe > Valencia > Cleverley > Smalling

[Champagne_Socialist]

And which players has he let go that've come back to haunt him??

Tevez, Ronaldo, PIQUE, Forlan....

[westisbest]

God help them if Djemba Djemba comes back to haunt them.

[Fernando]

And which players has he let go that've come back to haunt him??

Tevez, Ronaldo, PIQUE, Forlan....

Don't forget Jaap Stam, Ryan Shawcross,Howard Webb.

[Ent]

Tevez and pique wouldn't sign new deals.

I really don't get the points people are trying to make.

Yes we've lost some good players, getting a world record fee for a player who wanted to leave after he won us the cl and more is hardly him coming back to bite you.

[Stella]

Ronaldo was arguably the best signing in Football history, considering the success he brought, and the money they got back.

[TopHat24/7]

Ronaldo last season. Tevez.

Never owned Tevez and if Ronaldo is the best example you've got then I'll bank that win.

[GSC]

Yeah, that Tevez who spent the last months of his deal trying to use his popularity with the fans to land a new deal wouldnt have signed a deal

[TopHat24/7]

And which players has he let go that've come back to haunt him??

Tevez, Ronaldo, PIQUE, Forlan....

So, a player we never owned, a player who was best in the world who we made £70m profit on having won us everything there is to win and wanted to leave, a player who's never come back to haunt us and isn't that good anyway and someone who was rubbish but turned out great and, again, never came back to haunt us.

[Champagne_Socialist]

And which players has he let go that've come back to haunt him??

Tevez, Ronaldo, PIQUE, Forlan....

So, a player we never owned, a player who was best in the world who we made £70m profit on having won us everything there is to win and wanted to leave, a player who's never come back to haunt us and isn't that good anyway and someone who was rubbish but turned out great and, again, never came back to haunt us.

ome back to haunt doesn't mean scoring against you or even playing against you.

You had Gerard Pique, probably the best CB in the world or at least top 3 and not only that he makes so much money in sponsorship deals because he is young and attractive with a popstar wife.

Diego Forlan was just mismanaged at United. He was awesome in Spain and for Uruguay.

Yes you sold Ronaldo but let's be honest the 70 million profit you sold him for is nothing compared to the shirt sales extra money from sponsorship and revenue from competition wins he would have brought you over the last 5 years.

[TopHat24/7]

And which players has he let go that've come back to haunt him??

Tevez, Ronaldo, PIQUE, Forlan....

So, a player we never owned, a player who was best in the world who we made £70m profit on having won us everything there is to win and wanted to leave, a player who's never come back to haunt us and isn't that good anyway and someone who was rubbish but turned out great and, again, never came back to haunt us.

ome back to haunt doesn't mean scoring against you or even playing against you.

You had Gerard Pique, probably the best CB in the world or at least top 3 and not only that he makes so much money in sponsorship deals because he is young and attractive with a popstar wife.

Diego Forlan was just mismanaged at United. He was awesome in Spain and for Uruguay.

Yes you sold Ronaldo but let's be honest the 70 million profit you sold him for is nothing compared to the shirt sales extra money from sponsorship and revenue from competition wins he would have brought you over the last 5 years.

Well done, completely undermined yourself there.

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