Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

by GSC Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:49 am

First topic message reminder :

It was always going to be hard for Hughton.

The Norwich family never really took to him as one of their own

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:53 am

Stella wrote:Is that both Manchester clubs out of the title race? A little premature possibly but I didn't fancy either before we started and I certainly don't now.

If man u lose to arsenal in 2 weeks time then they will probably be out of the race.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:08 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Carroll is not worth 15 million. This season if he returns from injury will be his worst season ever.

Based on what? Every week waiting for him is us treading water. He goes head to head with Benteke for top strikers outside the big sides (and Everton). I'd rather have him than Torres, Eto'o or Ba. A 24 year old Englishman for £15m is very good business. And that's a fact, there's no questioning that really if you look at history and market valuations.

by kingraf Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:13 am

Would never prefer Carroll to Eto'o, even in his diminished state

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:21 am

kingraf wrote:Would never prefer Carroll to Eto'o, even in his diminished state

Eto'o was a free transfer and is 2nd choice striker at Chelsea.

We need to compare Carroll for other players bought for roughly 15 mil to see who one would prefer. Bony, Michu, Giroud, walcott, Jesus navas, alvaro negredo, defoe, sturridge, benteke, lukaku, loic remy,

by Guest Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:36 am

kingraf wrote:Would never prefer Carroll to Eto'o, even in his diminished state

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:40 am

No we don't. We're comparing him to other strikers in this league. I'd rather have Carroll than Eto'o, Eto'o is nothing to what he was and would not be worth having in a team with supply lines that don't cost 100s of millions.

Of the list above, I'd have Carroll over pretty much all of them at West ham. Maybe not Lukaku, level with Benteke for me. Different clubs different needs, but it strikes me of forming opinions on the back of over hearing a retarded dog talk football. I'd doubt either of you watch any west ham, I'm sure you think we just knock it long and Sam sits on a tennis umpires chair so he can see some of the ball, so I have no need to discuss it further.

by GSC Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:43 am

Carroll level with Benteke, I've heard it all

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:45 am

GSC wrote:Carroll level with Benteke, I've heard it all

haha

by Stella Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:47 am

Carroll's not the quickest, or most natural goal scorer, but I bet he's a pain in the arse to mark. Gimme Torres any day.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:48 am

Oh Christ, really GSC? I would have given you more credit than that

by GSC Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:49 am

And I would've given you much more credit than nobody watches my club excuse so I guess we're even

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:53 am

I like Carroll, but you're going a bit OTT there Chris, Benteke is the better player

by kingraf Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:54 am

Eto'o scored 37 goals in his last season at Inter, and was rated the #1 forward in Russia for the last two years. Sure he may not be the tour de force he once was, but I have seen nothing that indicates Carroll of all people eclipsed him

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:55 am

It was to the two stated, and i stand by it. Why would they have? We're not a big club on TV all month long. But you were just immature. You want my reasoning or do you want to snide like some self entitled Kumquat?

I was quite continually arguing on different clubs different needs. I do think Benteke gets credit on top of it too for being foreign and thus cooler on the Internet. Benteke's technique can be lacking, I don't think he's aerially dominating enough for someone of his frame, he can go quiet in games whereas Carroll never does. Carroll hasn't Benteke's pace but I think his technique is underrated and more consistently present. Benteke's ceiling is probably higher, but I'm not sure he'll definitely reach it.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:57 am

Just seen the last two goals in the Citeh-Chelski game, fair to say neither GK covering themselves in glory there. Cech woefully out of position for the Aguero goal, and Hart's gone walkies at the end there

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:58 am

Oh Eto'o was the best striker in Italy a few years ago and was the best striker in Russia? A league where it was well noted he played a diminished striking role to play off the top a lot. And has looked sketchy at Chelsea? Bow down at his feet, if he were once good I must rate him forever! Wish we'd signed Pele.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:00 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:No we don't. We're comparing him to other strikers in this league. I'd rather have Carroll than Eto'o, Eto'o is nothing to what he was and would not be worth having in a team with supply lines that don't cost 100s of millions.

Of the list above, I'd have Carroll over pretty much all of them at West ham. Maybe not Lukaku, level with Benteke for me. Different clubs different needs, but it strikes me of forming opinions on the back of over hearing a retarded dog talk football. I'd doubt either of you watch any west ham, I'm sure you think we just knock it long and Sam sits on a tennis umpires chair so he can see some of the ball, so I have no need to discuss it further.

by GSC Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:03 am

First of all they'll get a 5 minute minimum segment weekly. Most teams will be lucky to get more than a 30 goal highlights package. So stop with the whole West Ham are some obscure team talk. Nobody in the PL is obscure these days.

I saw Benteke take over games in a poor team last season in ways I've never seen Carroll. He's had moments but typically when I watch him when he comes across as your typical target man. Strong, bullies CBs, but on the flip side lacking technically and misses too many chances.

Stop the tantrum, it demeans both of us

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:07 am

I thought we were being facetious, I wanted to get involved!

It's not a tantrum, although I am genuinely frustrated that I can make a point and people can just pick whatever they want and decide to argue a whole new point.

Again, we're not obscure, but you're watching a motd snippet of half these teams these days and a lot of live football for the rest. You'd be naive to suggest otherwise. I'd also argue if you haven't seen Carroll run games for us then you haven't watched us. Indeed, he doesn't miss an awful amount of chances because we don't make a lot unless he's making them. It suits us very well, but then is take Benteke every day of the week at Spurs or a Chelsea.

But don't demean my words and expect fully salient argument.

by Ent Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:20 am

Being effective and being a good player aren't the same.

See fellani for Everton and united.

Carroll isn't a very good player, but he is effective for big Sam with 2 players bought to cross it to him.

Remember kevin Davies was effective for big Sam.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:37 am

Unfair, he's being stuck with stereotype there.

Also, anyone driving tonight take care. All over is a bit of a bitch, mainly the rain being whipped around at the moment. Dont want anyone getting hurt, even you C_S Wink

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:39 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Unfair, he's being stuck with stereotype there.

Also, anyone driving tonight take care. All over is a bit of a bitch, mainly the rain being whipped around at the moment. Dont want anyone getting hurt, even you C_S

Thanks, the storm is going to be really bad, I only hope everyone stays safe.

by mystiroakey Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:40 am

Benteke is all the rage because he is a Belgium.

As I said start of the season he is on par with Sturridge and not the holy grail ..

Both top 2nd tier strikers at present.. But tbh I actually prefer giroud and Carroll . For different reasons..

by mystiroakey Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:52 am

I think everyone forgets how good Carroll has been in the past.

The 35 mill tag has dimensioned him into a kind of joke category.. Because he was never worth it and now people totally devalue him as a result.. He was however certainly worth 20 m at the time. It's just Liverpool got screwed over due to the Torres deal...

That deal was the devils work. Both players turned into shells of there former selves. Luckily both seem to be making strides again.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:56 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Unfair, he's being stuck with stereotype there.

Also, anyone driving tonight take care. All over is a bit of a bitch, mainly the rain being whipped around at the moment. Dont want anyone getting hurt, even you C_S
Thanks, the storm is going to be really bad, I only hope everyone stays safe.

I got a driving lesson tomorrow. Watch out Norfolk Cool

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:57 am

mystiroakey wrote:Benteke is all the rage because he is a Belgium.

No Benteke is all the rage because he's pretty damn good with huge potential.

by Fernando Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:05 am

Of all the people in the storm today, id hope the West Ham fans get back safely from Swansea. I've been over the Severn Bridge on a windy day and it's not pleasant at all angel

by Duty281 Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:05 am

Just seen the second Chelsea goal.

Oh Joe Hart, what have you done? picard

by NickisBHAFC Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:24 am

I can see Joe Hart doing a Rob Green and messing up our whole World Cup.

by GSC Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:26 am

If the other 10 players dont first

by westisbest Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:20 pm

I think Carroll is a decent player.

Tekkers was quality in a ( sadly) poor Villa side last seasn
Started this season great till the injury.
Hopefully he back to top form at Upton Park.
He does have his off days, as does any player.

There have been times when i've watched him, where he gets beaten in the air to easily for a big strong guy.

On the whole he is a very good player.

Big pat on the back for Lambert for signing him.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:32 pm

Indeed, I think he's a hell of a player and Lambert has not been given enough credit for some of the players he has bought and introduced. For all that villa haven't made huge strides in the table under Lambert, I'd take that for being able to watch a team brimming with potential. Being a football fan is an arduous task at times, clinging on to the kind of positives that Lambert brings makes it bearable

by mystiroakey Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:01 pm

Lambert is a class manager.

I have a soft spot for villa.. Bit of a gutting result at the weekend though. Those are the games when you need your star striker to nick a goal.

But then it must be siad that Everton are a high quality team at the moment. They wont get stuffed by any team, top 6 for me!

by JamesLincs Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:58 pm

oh dear, very disappointed with fer and hughton over the 'goal'

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:22 pm

I liked Fer's honesty. He got given an excuse for the backpass in the question and bluntly came out and said 'I wanted to win'

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:45 pm

Oh dear young Andre Villa Boas is insulting Spurs fans and telling those people who shell out money they probably can't really afford, to support the team better......

Stupid stupid boy.........Mr Levy have a word...You don't moan about the fans rule number 1.........

I see classless Jose didn't get a handshake...........Jumping into the crowd behind the City dug out........Well done Pellegrini..

Then again I suppose it's better than trying to incite Barcelona fans or poking opposition staff in the eye........Didn't he say the Aston Villa manager needed to become more mature a few weeks ago.....

People like this guy.......But you wonder what type of people they are......

Cheap classless moron..

by Duty281 Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:49 pm

Good to see you're not bitter about yesterday, Truss. thumbsup

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:57 pm

I'm nothing but a casual fan........It's just that I can see through this Mourinho guy and I find it amusing people like him..

Just a classless, sneering, vile, cheap little Man.........

Saw the game and have no complaints about the result...........

Think Hart should be rested........

by Guest Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:15 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Oh dear young Andre Villa Boas is insulting Spurs fans and telling those people who shell out money they probably can't really afford, to support the team better......

Stupid stupid boy.........Mr Levy have a word...You don't moan about the fans rule number 1.........

This is the same manager who was basically putting his name in the mix for the PSG job in the summer. AVB knows what he's doing. Jump ship from club to club getting ridiculous pay-offs. How much did he get from Chelsea & how much would he get from Spurs if they sacked him. I saw the game, atmosphere in parts was like a morgue, agree Spurs aren't playing that great football but their currently in the top 4.

AVB's doing a decent job.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:21 am

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote: I liked Fer's honesty. He got given an excuse for the backpass in the question and bluntly came out and said 'I wanted to win'

Yeah I liked his honesty. He wanted to win. Sure it's "against the spirit of the game", but that's like that actually exists in football

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:22 am

you could be right Mate..

by GSC Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:33 am

I reckon someone from Norwich might have a word with Fer today. No need to keep this story going.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:36 am

GSC wrote:I reckon someone from Norwich might have a word with Fer today. No need to keep this story going.

Hughton said in his press conference (for the cup game tomoz), he's had a word with Fer not to do it again

by Stella Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:36 am

GSC wrote:I reckon someone from Norwich might have a word with Fer today. No need to keep this story going.

What happened?

by GSC Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:39 am

Cardiff put it out for a throw because a Norwich player was hurt, and Fer proceeded to score from it.

Now he's said he meant to do it.

by Stella Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:40 am

GSC wrote:Cardiff put it out for a throw because a Norwich player was hurt, and Fer proceeded to score from it.

Now he's said he meant to do it.

Cheers. Call me old fashioned, but that's a little bit wrong.

by GSC Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:42 am

Yeah the ref disallowed it

Bit in bad taste really.

by Stella Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:45 am

GSC wrote:Yeah the ref disallowed it

Bit in bad taste really.

Was he within the rules to do that?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:46 am

Stella wrote:
GSC wrote:Yeah the ref disallowed it

Bit in bad taste really.
Was he within the rules to do that?

Technically no, but common sense was rightly used

by Guest Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:53 am

The ref shouldn't have disallowed it. What should have happened was that Norwich allow Cardiff to score a free goal, thus tying the game at 1-1 and drawing me level with the gits who shared the sky sports super 6 £10k jackpot (I think) Sad

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