Eng v Aus match thread + build up

by DeludedOptimistorjustDave Tue 29 Oct 2013, 11:09 pm

First topic message reminder :

Chance to chat about the game.
I think it will be a real cracker with England to take it by around 8 points or more.
I know every game is important but the management must have this penciled in as a must win because they can win it if they play it right.

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:29 pm

You keep telling yourself that Biltong.

by nathan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:29 pm

TJ wrote:1)

there is no hatered towards england expressed - disgust at the poor referreeing that robbed Aus and attacks (justified) on how the english press will spin this.

2) No one will be scared of that performance. It was mince. Pure mince.

So all this Poopie on here is because of what the english press will say?

by BamBam Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:29 pm

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:
butterfingers wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Love all this hatred and bile towards England. I think a few people are starting to worry about England...

Well done boys
+1 not sure why the hatred is coming this way, I generally want the 6N teams to perform well against the SH teams, yes we rode our luck and yes we got the rub of the green, but lets be honest everyone has the odd game that goes against them, and the odd game that goes for, you have to capitolise on the games you get the luck, and we did.

As muggy as this game was, it's a win for a young and inexperienced team looking toward the next world cup
I don't i just want Wales to win and any other game to entertain me regardless of the result.
But that polished turd served up on a plate this afternoon wont get the slightest bit of respect from me, awful game.

Yes but you are a proven clueless muppet, so I'm sure you won't mind if everyone ignores you and your "respect"

by GloriousEmpire Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:30 pm

Congratulations to England on winning. They found a way and showed some defensive fortitude and did what was required on attack,
Taking the chances offered to them when they arose.

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:30 pm

GunsGerms wrote:Think NZ will have to get the ebola virus for England to come close this November.

I doubt Ireland could beat NZ even then. If we don't beat this Aus team at home then we really are in a desperate place at international level.

by butterfingers Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:31 pm

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:
butterfingers wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Love all this hatred and bile towards England. I think a few people are starting to worry about England...

Well done boys
+1 not sure why the hatred is coming this way, I generally want the 6N teams to perform well against the SH teams, yes we rode our luck and yes we got the rub of the green, but lets be honest everyone has the odd game that goes against them, and the odd game that goes for, you have to capitolise on the games you get the luck, and we did.

As muggy as this game was, it's a win for a young and inexperienced team looking toward the next world cup
I don't i just want Wales to win and any other game to entertain me regardless of the result.
But that polished turd served up on a plate this afternoon wont get the slightest bit of respect from me, awful game.

So you think Wales will serve up a total rugby dominant win next week first game? Like they did last year against what were top class opposition. We all know first game is a dog fight in the AI's, NH teams don't get much prep time, and have to ride the first 40-60 minutes of the first game or so.

I'm not saying we were great, I'm not saying we are a better team than Wales, I am saying this young squad showed heart to overcome a team who have been together for a while and were in their stride from minute 1 when we clearly were not.

by TJ Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:32 pm

Enjoy your win England fans - a win is a win and that is what the history books will say.

But don't kid yourselves about the quality of the win. Don't kid yourselves that had a few bad decisions did not affect the outcome significantly.

by **Rugby Fan** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:32 pm

Cany anyone remind me which New Zealand supporter on these forums was predicting a poor game for Mike Brown?

by TJ Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:32 pm

WTF has wales got to do with this?

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:32 pm

So TJ you think Aus deserved that win.

I think everyone must have watched a different game tbh.

The last 4 games England have played v the RC nations we have won. End of story..

If other teams wont to prove to be better than us in the NH then I think they need to prove it with constant results!!

by trebellbobaggins Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:33 pm

nathan wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Australia only have themselves to blame. They were very weak all match. If England had any clue what to do with their posession it could have been a rout. Both teams weak.
#

wasn't vintage but if they are weak then we might as well accept everyone bar NZ and SA are weak.
Wales are better than both those teams IMO right now.
How can you possible say that without seeing them play?

haha yeah dear me.

gotta love it.

yeah.. better than NZ.

nurse, please check this lads meds.

by nathan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:33 pm

TJ wrote:Enjoy your win England fans - a win is a win and that is what the history books will say.

But don't kid yourselves about the quality of the win. Don't kid yourselves that had a few bad decisions did not affect the outcome significantly.

Kid ourselves?

Who exactly has said this was a really good performance? jeeez

by Hood83 Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:33 pm

GloriousEmpire wrote:Congratulations to England on winning. They found a way and showed some defensive fortitude and did what was required on attack,
Taking the chances offered to them when they arose.

*Cough* *Splutter*...um, thanks GE, very decent of you (?!). Not wanting to rake over this but actually in full agreement with you on previous points re the ref.

by madmaccas Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:33 pm

A pretty equal contest between two good sides, should have been a draw but for a shocking referee decision. Still it's only a friendly and these things even themselves out.

by Brendan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:34 pm

Look refs make mistakes all the time. England did well to get the win. Seems like Aus could be in for a long series.

by BamBam Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:34 pm

Yes it was a scrappy and lucky (in parts) win, but I think we need to get off to a winning start and we have done.

I would expect to see a far better performance next week against the Argies, before giving it a bloody good go against NZ.

I'm really surprised people are acting as if we were up against the Cook Islands in an Autumn International, not the Aussies who showed against NZ a couple of weeks ago that they have turned a corner and are improving.

I think this result will be best judged after the AIs, depending on how they go against the Italians, Irish and Welsh, and how we do in our next games

by GunsGerms Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:34 pm

They trashed England and Oz the last time they played each team. Good enough for me.

by doctor_grey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:34 pm

Biltong wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Think NZ will have to get the ebola virus for England to come close this November.
How long is the incubation period for the Ebola virus. Might have to time it well though.

Well, it can incubate in 2 weeks. I don't think we need anything as drastic as ebola. I would think a simple dose of Giardia would be fine.

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:35 pm

nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:Enjoy your win England fans - a win is a win and that is what the history books will say.

But don't kid yourselves about the quality of the win. Don't kid yourselves that had a few bad decisions did not affect the outcome significantly.
Kid ourselves?

Who exactly has said this was a really good performance? jeeez

Not one- But there you go that's the classic line from our victim neighbours!!

I cant remember the last time England won a game without the aid of a ref ,a virus ,the other team being rubbish just for our benefit. I dont think I was alive tbh

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:35 pm

To be fair, neither team was playing very well tonight.

England missed Parling, Lwaes took too long to address his line out calls to the back.

Their passing was indicative of a team wanting to offload in the tackle but it just didn't work, whether you want to out it down to a backline that hasn't played for a while, or inexperience.

Their forwards was stationary most of the time and never hit the ball at pace, it meant England didn't gain enough momentum to strike effectively out wide.

Australia was far to innacurate, their forwards didn't work collectively at the breakdown.

Genia at times took too long to clear at the base of the ruck.

Defensively both teams were never really under pressure.

The two fullbacks for me (Brown and Folau) were the two best players on the paddock.

by nathan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:35 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
nathan wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Australia only have themselves to blame. They were very weak all match. If England had any clue what to do with their posession it could have been a rout. Both teams weak.
#

wasn't vintage but if they are weak then we might as well accept everyone bar NZ and SA are weak.
Wales are better than both those teams IMO right now.
How can you possible say that without seeing them play?

haha yeah dear me.

gotta love it.

yeah.. better than NZ.

nurse, please check this lads meds.

EH?

by TJ Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:35 pm

mystiroakey wrote:So TJ you think Aus deserved that win.

There were the better side playing better rugby. Dominated territory and possession. The poor decisions cost Aus dearly. Would they have won if those decisions went the other way? Who knows. No one deserves anything in sport - bar a level playing field.

by GunsGerms Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:36 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
nathan wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Australia only have themselves to blame. They were very weak all match. If England had any clue what to do with their posession it could have been a rout. Both teams weak.
#

wasn't vintage but if they are weak then we might as well accept everyone bar NZ and SA are weak.
Wales are better than both those teams IMO right now.
How can you possible say that without seeing them play?

haha yeah dear me.

gotta love it.

yeah.. better than NZ.

nurse, please check this lads meds.

No better than eng and Oz

by Feckless Rogue Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:36 pm

Poor game. Some of the bitterness shown towards England here is a bit childish. Think of it this way. They've just taken some ranking points up north for your team to take off them in the 6 Nations if they can.

by TJ Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:37 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
nathan wrote:
TJ wrote:Enjoy your win England fans - a win is a win and that is what the history books will say.

But don't kid yourselves about the quality of the win. Don't kid yourselves that had a few bad decisions did not affect the outcome significantly.
Kid ourselves?

Who exactly has said this was a really good performance? jeeez
Not one- But there you go that's the classic line from our victim neighbours!!

I cant remember the last time England won a game without the aid of a ref ,a virus ,the other team being rubbish just for our benefit. I dont think I was alive tbh

Read back thru the posts.

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:37 pm

GunsGerms wrote:They trashed England and Oz the last time they played each team. Good enough for me.

The Welsh haven't beaten OZ for years? Oh no please tell me you are not counting the 3rd test Lions win a victory for Wales. There were Irish and Englismen on the pitch.

by GunsGerms Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:37 pm

Nice to see Brown play 15 and not the dreadful Goode as in the 6N.

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:37 pm

Guns I think Wales needs to start winning games then and get there ranking down if you think that team is better than eng and aus!

Otherwise its just nonsense written on a forum

by Duty281 Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:38 pm

Oh my, there's some bitter people on this thread. I wonder who won?

Oh yeah....ENGLAND! Yahoo

Not a vintage performance by any stretch of the imagination, but it was a performance that gradually improved as time wore on and England blew away the cobwebs. Mike Brown deserved man of the match. Ashton, Tomkins, and Twelvetrees were rather poor in attack and defence. Yarde showed glimpses of potential. Farrell was inconsistent, as was Dickson - think Youngs will be starting next week.

Line-out started out bang average, but improved.
At the scrum, England were generally better throughout the game.
Breakdown was fine.

Good result, but nothing special. England must improve, and I'm sure they will.

by Taylorman Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:39 pm

mystiroakey wrote:England cant win anything can they- this site is a joke/

All I saw was an Oz side give a lead away under pressure in the second half, typified by Genias charge down. From there Oz made too many mistakes to have expected to win this after that and that was purely due to England maintaining the pressure, particularly as the second half progressed. A messy though deserved win Mysti. Sure a couple of poor ref decisions but not why Oz lost this. They didnt do anything to consolidate what was a very good lead at one point.

Oz have still not beaten anyone ranked above them this year and it showed.

by nathan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:39 pm

Duty281 wrote:Oh my, there's some bitter people on this thread. I wonder who won?

Oh yeah....ENGLAND!

Not a vintage performance by any stretch of the imagination, but it was a performance that gradually improved as time wore on and England blew away the cobwebs. Mike Brown deserved man of the match. Ashton, Tomkins, and Twelvetrees were rather poor in attack and defence. Yarde showed glimpses of potential. Farrell was inconsistent, as was Dickson - think Youngs will be starting next week.

Line-out started out bang average, but improved.
At the scrum, England were generally better throughout the game.
Breakdown was fine.

Good result, but nothing special. England must improve, and I'm sure they will.

Also think Hartley outplayed T. Youngs today and should start next week.

by GunsGerms Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:39 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Guns I think Wales needs to start winning games then and get there ranking down if you think that team is better than eng and aus!

Otherwise its just nonsense written on a forum

But they trashed England in the 6N and effectively trashed Australia on the Lions tour. All Im saying is both teams were terrible and I fancy Wales to trounce them both.

by tigerleghorn Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:40 pm

Jayzus, so much antagonism across nations here. Some dubious decisions from the officials in a turgid game. Why the hatred towards England? If we are as rubbish as everyone seems to think we're no threat right?

So sad to see in Rugby.

by nathan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:40 pm

GunsGerms wrote:Nice to see Brown play 15 and not the dreadful Goode as in the 6N.

he is much better at full back than goode

by Duty281 Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:40 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Guns I think Wales needs to start winning games then and get there ranking down if you think that team is better than eng and aus!

Otherwise its just nonsense written on a forum

Ignore Wales - their summit is winning the Six Nations and giving England a bloody nose.

They never have the right mindset to beat the SH teams. They should, given the quality of their players, beat Argentina and Tonga comfortably this autumn, beat Australia well, and run South Africa close, and maybe even win.

They won't though.

by GunsGerms Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:41 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:They trashed England and Oz the last time they played each team. Good enough for me.
The Welsh haven't beaten OZ for years? Oh no please tell me you are not counting the 3rd test Lions win a victory for Wales. There were Irish and Englismen on the pitch.

There was about three non welsh players.

by nathan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:41 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Guns I think Wales needs to start winning games then and get there ranking down if you think that team is better than eng and aus!

Otherwise its just nonsense written on a forum
But they trashed England in the 6N and effectively trashed Australia on the Lions tour. All Im saying is both teams were terrible and I fancy Wales to trounce them both.

england beat new zealand, england should beat everyone.

Same lines of thinking huh?

by GunsGerms Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:41 pm

nathan wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Nice to see Brown play 15 and not the dreadful Goode as in the 6N.
he is much better at full back than goode

100%

by butterfingers Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:42 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Guns I think Wales needs to start winning games then and get there ranking down if you think that team is better than eng and aus!

Otherwise its just nonsense written on a forum
But they trashed England in the 6N and effectively trashed Australia on the Lions tour. All Im saying is both teams were terrible and I fancy Wales to trounce them both.

And to that I'd say good luck to Wales, I hope they manage that elusive win over Aus

by nathan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:42 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:They trashed England and Oz the last time they played each team. Good enough for me.
The Welsh haven't beaten OZ for years? Oh no please tell me you are not counting the 3rd test Lions win a victory for Wales. There were Irish and Englismen on the pitch.
There was about three non welsh players.

Still, it was the Lions not Wales.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:42 pm

nathan wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
nathan wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Australia only have themselves to blame. They were very weak all match. If England had any clue what to do with their posession it could have been a rout. Both teams weak.
#

wasn't vintage but if they are weak then we might as well accept everyone bar NZ and SA are weak.
Wales are better than both those teams IMO right now.
How can you possible say that without seeing them play?

haha yeah dear me.

gotta love it.

yeah.. better than NZ.

nurse, please check this lads meds.
EH?

I am agreeing with you.

we've seen nothing of Wales versus these teams yet somehow they were better. right. we will soon know.

by nathan Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:43 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:
nathan wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
nathan wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:Australia only have themselves to blame. They were very weak all match. If England had any clue what to do with their posession it could have been a rout. Both teams weak.
#

wasn't vintage but if they are weak then we might as well accept everyone bar NZ and SA are weak.
Wales are better than both those teams IMO right now.
How can you possible say that without seeing them play?

haha yeah dear me.

gotta love it.

yeah.. better than NZ.

nurse, please check this lads meds.
EH?
I am agreeing with you.

we've seen nothing of Wales versus these teams yet somehow they were better. right. we will soon know.

ah cool

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:44 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Guns I think Wales needs to start winning games then and get there ranking down if you think that team is better than eng and aus!

Otherwise its just nonsense written on a forum
But they trashed England in the 6N and effectively trashed Australia on the Lions tour. All Im saying is both teams were terrible and I fancy Wales to trounce them both.

might as well say England are better than NZ then by that rationale!

the first two games played in the lions tour the lions did not thrash anyone(that is the lions by the way not Wales) the rest of the England boys at that time pummelled Arg and the rest of the welsh got shown up by Japan!!)

both teams were not terrible- just not great. terrible is a word used on here to much.. It was the first game of the series- its standard and not terrible.. Very typical infarct. As was the first lions game v aus

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:44 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:They trashed England and Oz the last time they played each team. Good enough for me.
The Welsh haven't beaten OZ for years? Oh no please tell me you are not counting the 3rd test Lions win a victory for Wales. There were Irish and Englismen on the pitch.
There was about three non welsh players.

There was 5 and another few that came off the bench. Can't believe what you are typing TBH.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:46 pm

Very rusty performance but we'll not play worse this AI's and we've got a win against a top side.

We got lucky with the Brown call but Mowen was offside nearly all game going round the side. It took till the last 10 for Clancy to notice.

It's all swings and roundabouts, well done boys, a deserved win.

by Hound of Harrow Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:47 pm

I see a few people jumped onto this thread when England went behind. Sad really.

Clancy infuriated me for not pinging Aus, who were blatantly offside in the backs at the majority of rucks. That and not picking up on Genia's constant crooked feeds into the scrum.

A woeful first half, but a better second half from England. We really did pressure Aussie a lot better in the 2nd 40 minutes.

by GloriousEmpire Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:47 pm

tigerleghorn wrote:Jayzus, so much antagonism across nations here. Some dubious decisions from the officials in a turgid game. Why the hatred towards England? If we are as rubbish as everyone seems to think we're no threat right?

So sad to see in Rugby.

England certainly appear to be one of the "luckier" teams in world rugby,
Especially at home.

It's the fear of "luck" I believe that causes such consternation.

On the whole I thought England were sloppy and disjointed and didn't offer much other than one off bulky ball runners. Passing seems an art form too far.

Australia showed their lack of belief by chasing the game too early rather than trusting the system that, "luck" aside was working.

I thought Australia got a hard time in the scrum, almost as if predetermined they were second best. We saw resets only when England were guilty of "slipping".

All in all a poor test match far from the quality we've seen recently.

by Guest Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:47 pm

Why are non welsh posters drawing Wales into this squabble?

Well done England. Didn't see the game so can't comment on performance, but beating Australia is no easy feat even if they are a bit rocky at the moment. Kudos.

by Duty281 Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:48 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Very rusty performance but we'll not play worse this AI's and we've got a win against a top side.

We got lucky with the Brown call but Mowen was offside nearly all game going round the side. It took till the last 10 for Clancy to notice.

It's all swings and roundabouts, well done boys, a deserved win.

I agree.

by mystiroakey Sat 02 Nov 2013, 4:49 pm

Griff wrote:Why are non welsh posters drawing Wales into this squabble?

Well done England. Didn't see the game so can't comment on performance, but beating Australia is no easy feat even if they are a bit rocky at the moment. Kudos.

guns seems to be using you as his anti England weapon today. I have no idea why but he is showing you up!

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