2013 606v2 Top 15 Pound for Pound Rankings (please submit VOTES)

First topic message reminder :

It’s time to vote for the 606V2 POUND FOR POUND Top 15 rankings (Q4 2013).

Rules:
-Only 1 post per 606 member.
-Only active fighters allowed (must of fought in the last 18 months unless officially retired)
-Outlandish listings will be DQ.
-A fighter needs two individual votes to have his points included.

Principles:
Your Top 15 should be based as at the current point in time.

Point Scoring System:
Quite simple, #1 scores 15 points, #2 scores 14 points etc… I will tally up the totals by the deadline date and will present the results.

NOTE: PLEASE TRY AND USE FULL NAMES (or correct surnames) & LIST your results.

For reference only, the previous Top 15 606v2 P4P rankings as at 09th April 2013 was:

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 Andre Ward
3 Nonito Donaire
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Sergio Martinez
6 Wladimir Klitschko
7 Manny Pacquiao
8 Timothy Bradley
9 Carl Froch
10 Adrian Broner
11 Abner Mares
12 Robert Guerrero
13 Yuriorkis Gamboa
14 Saul Alvarez
15 Chad Dawson

16 Austin Trout
17 Vitali Klitschko
18 Bernard Hopkins
19 Gennady Golovkin
20 Guillermo Rigondeaux
21 Danny Garcia
22 Mikkel Kessler
23 Brian Viloria
24 Ricky Burns
25 Gary Russell Jr
26 Mikkel Kessler

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Timothy Bradley
4. JMM
5. Wlad Klitschko
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. Adonis Stevenson
10. Danny Garcia
11. GGG
12. Saul Alvarez
13. Carl Froch
14. Adrien Broner
15. Bernard Hopkins (I literally cannot leave him out)

Imagined you having Rigo higher, Jab?

How can JMM still be 4 ??

JMM is impervious to defeats...

Rigo has been too inactive and since beating Donaire although he's been avoided I just can't make a case for him fitting into my 2013 list too much higher.

I've got JMM at 4 because this is after all a P4P list and the man is still awesome. Took Bradley the distance although he is looking old now, kind of like Martinez in many ways. He still has the win over Pacquiao which is a massive win for anyones ledger, bigger than Donaire in my eyes.

Looking old now and took Bradley the distance...

Martinez is still at the top of his division !!

You make no sense..

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:So that's a no to answering points 2 and 3 then??

If you want to talk football though, I've found this board for you:

https://www.606v2.com/f3-football

if you want to lose weight I found this great website for you

http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/

Actually already a member, believe it or not......

So, juvenile distractions aside, an answer to points 2 and 3??

Firstly quote where any of my posts have highlighted that my views are point 3.

You've said results must be taken at face value.  For example the fact the 999 out of 1000 people scored Pac a clear winner over Bradley, Brad got the result therefore this must determine their respective ranking.

Well, that's what Boxrec do.

How has that got anything to do with the point number 3 you posted earlier?

If we are not going to use official results when determining rankings (results being just one criteria being used) then there is an argument that Bradley should not even be in the top 15 because someone could argue that he lost his last 3 fights (even though the records say he won).

If your rankings use results as one of the criteria then you must use official results.

I still have JMM high up, he knocked out P4P #2 two fights ago and took Bradley the distance who holds the W over Manny so he wasnt going to drop too much in my eyes. He is getting on a bit but he is still up there.
 
Rigo, although inactive after Donaire, that win cant be overlooked, especially the manner of it. Outboxed the P4P 3# at the time and made Donaire look human. Many tipped the 'chinny' Rigo to be blasted out of there. He proved his doubters wrong and deserves to be number 3 on my list.

Yes Truss, this is why Martinez is still as high as he is. Remember this is P4P and the fact JMM has risen through the weights considerably to get where he is means that POUND FOR POUND he is a hell of a fighter and well worthy of a spot if he's consistently performing against people like the NUMBER 3 P4P and HAMMERING the former P4P top 5 Manny Pacquiao.

I know you're a little high strung today big fella - but telling someone their opinion is wrong is pretty weird for someone who has such garbled crap falling out of their mouth so regularly.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:So that's a no to answering points 2 and 3 then??

If you want to talk football though, I've found this board for you:

https://www.606v2.com/f3-football

if you want to lose weight I found this great website for you

http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/

Actually already a member, believe it or not......

So, juvenile distractions aside, an answer to points 2 and 3??

Firstly quote where any of my posts have highlighted that my views are point 3.

You've said results must be taken at face value.  For example the fact the 999 out of 1000 people scored Pac a clear winner over Bradley, Brad got the result therefore this must determine their respective ranking.

Well, that's what Boxrec do.

How has that got anything to do with the point number 3 you posted earlier?

If we are not going to use official results when determining rankings (results being just one criteria being used) then there is an argument that Bradley should not even be in the top 15 because someone could argue that he lost his last 3 fights (even though the records say he won).

If your rankings use results as one of the criteria then you must use official results.

Point #3 is an 'official' result of a blatant and horrendous robbery.

So, on your basis, you're crediting Rios with that win and bumping him up the rankings accordingly then??

Bradley has plenty of good, un-controversial, wins on his ledger in the lead-up to his last 3 bouts to justify a fringe Top10 spot. Again, if you knew anything about what you're talking about you wouldn't come out with these silly statements all the time.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:So that's a no to answering points 2 and 3 then??

If you want to talk football though, I've found this board for you:

https://www.606v2.com/f3-football

if you want to lose weight I found this great website for you

http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/

Actually already a member, believe it or not......

So, juvenile distractions aside, an answer to points 2 and 3??

Firstly quote where any of my posts have highlighted that my views are point 3.

You've said results must be taken at face value.  For example the fact the 999 out of 1000 people scored Pac a clear winner over Bradley, Brad got the result therefore this must determine their respective ranking.

Well, that's what Boxrec do.

How has that got anything to do with the point number 3 you posted earlier?

If we are not going to use official results when determining rankings (results being just one criteria being used) then there is an argument that Bradley should not even be in the top 15 because someone could argue that he lost his last 3 fights (even though the records say he won).

If your rankings use results as one of the criteria then you must use official results.

Point #3 is an 'official' result of a blatant and horrendous robbery.

So, on your basis, you're crediting Rios with that win and bumping him up the rankings accordingly then??

Bradley has plenty of good, un-controversial, wins on his ledger in the lead-up to his last 3 bouts to justify a fringe Top10 spot. Again, if you knew anything about what you're talking about you wouldn't come out with these silly statements all the time.

It is not difficult to understand and I really don't see why you are continuing this debate over an irrelevant issue. If a fighter officially wins a fight then when doing a P4P list if you use results as part of your criteria then you should use official results.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Yes Truss, this is why Martinez is still as high as he is. Remember this is P4P and the fact JMM has risen through the weights considerably to get where he is means that POUND FOR POUND he is a hell of a fighter and well worthy of a spot if he's consistently performing against people like the NUMBER 3 P4P and HAMMERING the former P4P top 5 Manny Pacquiao.

I know you're a little high strung today big fella - but telling someone their opinion is wrong is pretty weird for someone who has such garbled crap falling out of their mouth so regularly.

Cue a 'sparring with Kell Brook' pun......

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:So that's a no to answering points 2 and 3 then??

If you want to talk football though, I've found this board for you:

https://www.606v2.com/f3-football

if you want to lose weight I found this great website for you

http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/

Actually already a member, believe it or not......

So, juvenile distractions aside, an answer to points 2 and 3??

Firstly quote where any of my posts have highlighted that my views are point 3.

You've said results must be taken at face value.  For example the fact the 999 out of 1000 people scored Pac a clear winner over Bradley, Brad got the result therefore this must determine their respective ranking.

Well, that's what Boxrec do.

How has that got anything to do with the point number 3 you posted earlier?

If we are not going to use official results when determining rankings (results being just one criteria being used) then there is an argument that Bradley should not even be in the top 15 because someone could argue that he lost his last 3 fights (even though the records say he won).

If your rankings use results as one of the criteria then you must use official results.

Point #3 is an 'official' result of a blatant and horrendous robbery.

So, on your basis, you're crediting Rios with that win and bumping him up the rankings accordingly then??

Bradley has plenty of good, un-controversial, wins on his ledger in the lead-up to his last 3 bouts to justify a fringe Top10 spot. Again, if you knew anything about what you're talking about you wouldn't come out with these silly statements all the time.

It is not difficult to understand and I really don't see why you are continuing this debate over an irrelevant issue. If a fighter officially wins a fight then when doing a P4P list if you use results as part of your criteria then you should use official results.

I agree, it's not difficult to understand.

However where miscomprehension resides, you're the only one on this entire board putting Wlad #1 and John in there at all, and the only one crediting fighters for robbery 'wins', so I'm pretty sure you're the one missing a trick somewhere.

If being a champ so long is so important, why aren't Moreno & GJones both in your list? They're the longest reigning world champs (both almost 6 yrs) after John & the K's.

See, I can use Google and Boxrec too........

P4P rankings are meant to take into account performance levels so the manner of victory is important especially if it's controversial. After the weekend Froch has dropped down my list despite winning.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:So that's a no to answering points 2 and 3 then??

If you want to talk football though, I've found this board for you:

https://www.606v2.com/f3-football

if you want to lose weight I found this great website for you

http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/

Actually already a member, believe it or not......

So, juvenile distractions aside, an answer to points 2 and 3??

Firstly quote where any of my posts have highlighted that my views are point 3.

You've said results must be taken at face value.  For example the fact the 999 out of 1000 people scored Pac a clear winner over Bradley, Brad got the result therefore this must determine their respective ranking.

Well, that's what Boxrec do.

How has that got anything to do with the point number 3 you posted earlier?

If we are not going to use official results when determining rankings (results being just one criteria being used) then there is an argument that Bradley should not even be in the top 15 because someone could argue that he lost his last 3 fights (even though the records say he won).

If your rankings use results as one of the criteria then you must use official results.

Point #3 is an 'official' result of a blatant and horrendous robbery.

So, on your basis, you're crediting Rios with that win and bumping him up the rankings accordingly then??

Bradley has plenty of good, un-controversial, wins on his ledger in the lead-up to his last 3 bouts to justify a fringe Top10 spot. Again, if you knew anything about what you're talking about you wouldn't come out with these silly statements all the time.

It is not difficult to understand and I really don't see why you are continuing this debate over an irrelevant issue. If a fighter officially wins a fight then when doing a P4P list if you use results as part of your criteria then you should use official results.

I agree, it's not difficult to understand.  

However where miscomprehension resides, you're the only one on this entire board putting Wlad #1 and John in there at all, and the only one crediting fighters for robbery 'wins', so I'm pretty sure you're the one missing a trick somewhere.

If being a champ so long is so important, why aren't Moreno & GJones both in your list? They're the longest reigning world champs (both almost 6 yrs) after John & the K's.

See, I can use Google and Boxrec too........

Do you want to debate my list or do you want to debate the fact I am using official scorecards from the judges instead of tophats unoffical scorecards that he scored whilst having a pot noodle in his underpants?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:So that's a no to answering points 2 and 3 then??

If you want to talk football though, I've found this board for you:

https://www.606v2.com/f3-football

if you want to lose weight I found this great website for you

http://www.fitnessfirst.co.uk/

Actually already a member, believe it or not......

So, juvenile distractions aside, an answer to points 2 and 3??

Firstly quote where any of my posts have highlighted that my views are point 3.

You've said results must be taken at face value.  For example the fact the 999 out of 1000 people scored Pac a clear winner over Bradley, Brad got the result therefore this must determine their respective ranking.

Well, that's what Boxrec do.

How has that got anything to do with the point number 3 you posted earlier?

If we are not going to use official results when determining rankings (results being just one criteria being used) then there is an argument that Bradley should not even be in the top 15 because someone could argue that he lost his last 3 fights (even though the records say he won).

If your rankings use results as one of the criteria then you must use official results.

Point #3 is an 'official' result of a blatant and horrendous robbery.

So, on your basis, you're crediting Rios with that win and bumping him up the rankings accordingly then??

Bradley has plenty of good, un-controversial, wins on his ledger in the lead-up to his last 3 bouts to justify a fringe Top10 spot. Again, if you knew anything about what you're talking about you wouldn't come out with these silly statements all the time.

It is not difficult to understand and I really don't see why you are continuing this debate over an irrelevant issue. If a fighter officially wins a fight then when doing a P4P list if you use results as part of your criteria then you should use official results.

I agree, it's not difficult to understand.  

However where miscomprehension resides, you're the only one on this entire board putting Wlad #1 and John in there at all, and the only one crediting fighters for robbery 'wins', so I'm pretty sure you're the one missing a trick somewhere.

If being a champ so long is so important, why aren't Moreno & GJones both in your list? They're the longest reigning world champs (both almost 6 yrs) after John & the K's.

See, I can use Google and Boxrec too........

TopHat24/7 wrote:1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Guillermo Rigondeux
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Mikey Garcia
9. Sergio Martinez
10. Adrien Broner
11. Danny Garcia
12. Gennady Golovkin
13. Saul Alvarez
14. Nonito Donaire
15. Bernard Hopkins

So let me get this straight, you are not crediting fighters for controversial victories and you have said countless times that Bradley in your opinion lost his last 3 fights so why is Bradley at #7 in your list? If you give him no credit for winning his last 3 fights because you think he lost then how can you justify hm being in your top 10 because his last win would have been in 2011.

1. I didn't say he lost his last 3.
2. You do know he's fought more than 3 times, right?

In accordance with the prophecy, my top 15

1) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2) Andre Ward
3) Tim Bradley
4) Guillermo Rigo
6) Sergio Martinez
7) Wlad Klit
8) Adonis Stevenson
9) JuanMa Marquez
10) Manny Pacquaio
11) Kovalev
12) Gamboa
13) Donaire
14) Canelo Alvarez
15) Danny Garcia.

Well.......?

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Well.......?

Coming soon...... (Tomorrow evening).

Feel we may of missed a trick with superman- so feel free to edit your posts by 7pm before I tally the results.

I'll get mine up tomorrow afternoon all time!

owen10ozzy wrote:I'll get mine up tomorrow afternoon all time!

Get the league updated aswell

All Time Great wrote:

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Well.......?

Coming soon...... (Tomorrow evening).

Feel we may of missed a trick with superman- so feel free to edit your posts by 7pm before I tally the results.

Should maybe wait until Sunday as broner could move a few spaces

Broner's victory over Maidana is a lot more meaningful than Superman's over Bellew.

C_S may want to revisit his rankings also now that his Boxrec hero has just stepped outside of Indonesia for the first time in forever and got stopped in 6 but a little heard of Saffer fighting in Oz.

    

TopHat24/7 wrote:C_S may want to revisit his rankings also now that his Boxrec hero has just stepped outside of Indonesia for the first time in forever and got stopped in 6 but a little heard of Saffer fighting in Oz.

    

  

Does this put him outside the top ten I wonder?

TopHat24/7 wrote:Broner's victory over Maidana is a lot more meaningful than Superman's over Bellew.

Fact

Khan beat Maidana too...........Makes him a suitable opponent for Floydy then..If Broner's is meaningful and you chuck in Judah and Paulie !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan beat Maidana too...........Makes him a suitable opponent for Floydy then..If Broner's is meaningful and you chuck in Judah and Paulie !!

No it doesn't never fought at the weight and been beat by the best the weight below! Broner on the other hand 2nd fight at the weight should not be jumping in with the likes of manny Floyd Bradley or Marquez! Although I think he would beat Marquez!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan beat Maidana too...........Makes him a suitable opponent for Floydy then..If Broner's is meaningful and you chuck in Judah and Paulie !!

Sorry, lost in translation, my comment was more a testament to how NON-meaningful the Stevenson-Bellew fight/result was.

Was just going to do a list: But then I thought that if I did that I would be back and forth arguing as to why I had such & such ranked wherever...so to save myself time here's my list with reasons to go with it. Looking forward to seeing our final list All Time & if someone can do a write up on each one I will happily stick it in our magazine in January.

1: Floyd Mayweather - For Floyd this was a busy year, his first fighting twice since 2007. On the back of his win over Robert Guerrero he overcame what was supposed to be his sternest test to date with a victory over young Mexican Saul Alvarez. His performance & complete domination left no doubt as to how special ‘Money May’ really is.

2: Tim Bradley – Controversy seems to surround any scorecard with this guys’ name on. However 2013 saw Bradley conquer many doubters with two stand out victories. At the risk of losing, he threw caution to the wind against Provodnikov (a win which looks even better after Ruslan overcame Alvardo) and then beat Marquez (the man who had just KO’d Pacman) rather handily; despite what the scorecards show. Whilst the Manny fight still casts a shadow over him when you factor in his 2013 with legitimate victories over Alexander & Peterson (when unbeaten) which made him many peoples Light Welterweight Number 1 his resume is more than enough to sit him in at #2 for me.

3: Andre Ward – This guy would be my Number 2; however injuries have robbed him of most of 2013 and for that reason I have to bring him down. After cleaning up Super Middleweight, winning the Super 6, he went on to beat Dawson. Injury then held him up for 14 months but he returned in November to beat the then unbeaten Edwin Rodriguez. It was almost a shut out but on paper it goes down as nothing more than a solid victory. His problem going forward may be a lack of ‘star names’…however with Martinez & Golovokin below him & Kovalev & Stevenson above him should the American choose to move weights then Superstardom may very well await.

4: Wladamir Klitschko – I’ve always been critical of the Heavyweight era we are in & rightly so…however 2013 saw Wlad take on the one of only two real challenges out there in Alexander Povetkin. Both had been labelled as avoiding one another, though the Russian more so, but finally they stepped into the ring. The fight was no advert for boxing that’s for sure but Wlad did what he has been doing for the past 9 years and that’s picked up the win…in Russia no less. Add to that his win over Haye 2 years ago and he has shown himself to be the best heavyweight of his era.

5: Sergio Martinez – Much like Andre Ward it’s been a frustrating year for Martinez. Just the one fight, a very close decision over Britains Martin Murray sees him drop a few spots. The consensus seems to be that injuries and age are taking their toll on the Argentian…2014 may be the time we find out. For now the fact he kept his unbeaten streak intact and still has the big win over Chavez Jr relatively fresh in the memory just keeps him clinging onto a Top 5 spot

6: Guillermo Rigondeux – A virtuoso performance from the former amateur star over Nonito Donaire seals the Cubans spot in my P4P list. Always highly thought of but without a huge name on his resume, the Cuban announced himself to the world this year. Donaire was coming into the bout of a string of impressive wins including Arce, Mathebula, Narvaez but to name a few. Rigondeux handled him in a way very few thought possible. Throw in a mandatory win over Agbeko and the man has had a great 2013…showing he is without doubt the man at Super Bantamweight.

7. Danny Garcia – One thing fans always disapprove of is the few true are the undisputed best in weight divisions. This is something which can’t be labelled at Garcia. Following on from his shock KO of Amir Khan last year the man from Philadelphia has gone from strength to strength, culminating in a performance which would have been labelled a masterclass had it come from Mayweather, Ward or Pacman, against the dangerous threat & genuine #2 in the division Lucas Matthysse. 2014 could see him step up to Welterweight where plenty of big fights lurk.

8. J.M.Marquez – It’s difficult to keep a man high on a 2013 P4P list when he’s had only one fight in the year…and it was a loss. Whilst the scorecard looked close on paper, in truth Marquez looked befuddled and puzzled during the vast majority of his fight with Bradley. There is no doubting that he has been one of biggest and best servants to boxing in the past 10 years and of course that stunning KO of the Pacman will long stand in everyone’s memory…but that alone just can’t be enough to keep him in my Top 5…especially when it serves as his only real victory of note in the past 4 years.

9. Manny Pacquiao – Another P4P'er with just the one fight in 2013…and a B class standard fighter at best as his conquered. Rios was picked for the reason of making Manny look good and that he did. Despite all of his success I can’t have him looking in on the Top 5 at this moment; whilst I don’t hold the Bradley loss against him massively…the fact was he allowed him back into the contest, something you’d have never seen the likes of Money or Andre do…add to that his chilling knockout loss to his bitter rival Marquez and it hasn’t been the best couple of year for the Filipino. A big win is required in 2014 to push him back up the list.

10: Carl Froch – The Brit may not be the best in his division but he has had a more active 12 months than Ward and put to rest any doubt that he may not even be 2nd best when beating Kessler in their rematch. Ward is a very special talent much in the same manner of Mayweather & whilst of course that doesn’t wipe the loss to him off Carl’s record it also doesn’t mean it should keep him out of a P4P list. 4 wins on the bounce following that defeat…2 against men ranked inside the top 4 in the division (Kessler & Bute) and a win over a young, hungry contender (albeit it with controversy) puts him just inside the Top 10.

11: Adonis Stevenson – A man who truly arrived on the boxing scene in 2013; the huge puncher known as Superman went 4-0 this year. Two of those solidified him as the man at Light Heavyweight, though Kovalev is hot on his heels. Whilst both of his two biggest wins came against guys who were on the back of losses, it was the manner of these victories which shocked the World. He blitzed the #1 light-heavyweight in the World at the time Chad Dawson…before then showing he had more than just power when cutting apart Tavoris Cloud & stopping him in 7. He should look at proving himself further next year with fights against Kovalev & Hopkins…should he defeat both then could well find himself in the Top 5!

12: Nonito Donaire – Feel that this is perhaps unfair on Donaire given just how special the guy he was beaten by is. Given the roll he was on before losing to Rigondeux I would have no qualms for people having him their Top 10. However for me, the fact is that 2013 saw the Filipino outclassed by the other genuine threat in his division. Without the title of best in his division his stock has to plummet somewhat, though I fully expect him to come back stronger in 2014.

13: Bernard Hopkins – 2013 was yet another year where Bernard defied his critics and age itself. Everytime he seems to be on his way out he comes back. Following a loss & no contest last year many could be forgiven for thinking we had seen the end of one the great careers in modern history. Hopkins had other ideas though…he stepped out in March and overcame the unbeaten IBF Light-Heavyweight champion Tavoris Cloud then followed it up with a mandatory win over Murat. Despite this, The Executioner, will need a big fight next year against one of Kovalev or Stevenson in order to get anywhere near the Top 10 again.

14. Gennady Golovkin – Possibly one of the most frightening boxers in the World at this moment in time, the Kazak not only saw off all foes but did so in brutal fashion. His KO of both Ishida & Macklin are good enough for any KO of the Year and whilst he lacks a big name on his record; he is active & undoubtedly one of the two best in the division. It will be a travesty if he & Martinez don’t fight next year…& will hurt both of their P4P standing.

15. Mikey Garcia – Excitement continues to build over Garcia & 2013 showed exactly why. 3 great victories over Martinez, J.M Lopez & Salido on their own are nothing to scoff at. Throw in the manner of all 3 victories and you have more than enough reason to throw him in amongst the best 15 fighters on the planet at the moment. Takashi Uchiyama is a potential big fight next year and one which will propel him towards the Top 10…or indeed Uchiyama should he be the victory.

Always a difficult list to do this and some good names have missed out:

Gamboa would rightly make many people’s list but he is just far to inactive: Whilst he is a 3 time champion when looking at the divisions he has gone through: (Featherweight – No fight with John or J.M Lopez)(Super Featherweight – Didn’t hang around for fights with Martinez or Uchiyama) in my opinion he hasn’t had the fights with the top guys in his division.

Broner – Rees & Malignaggi aren’t big enough names to make the list and again he is a 3 weight champion he is guilty of missing out on big fights when coming through the divisions…especially when avoiding a Light Welterweight division consisting of Garcia ,Khan, Matthysse & Peterson to cherry pick Malignaggi at Welter!

John – Even if he had won the other day he wouldn’t make my list. Whilst he may well have Marquez on his resume the simple fact is he has missed out on far too many big names over the last few years. Lopez, Gamboa, Salido, De Leon just a few!