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Post by Crimey Mon 16 Mar 2015, 8:55 pm

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Who would have thought that Liverpool's strength would be the defence after the start to the season!

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:18 pm

I like Mason. His high pressing style is something we don't get enough from English midfielders.

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Post by Stella Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:18 pm

Must be in the Mason's to have got this recognition.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:19 pm

GSC wrote:I'll be honest. Defoe for me is one of the most overrated players in PL history

Love Defoe, and I shouldn't as he's not well liked at our place.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:20 pm

Stella wrote:
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Dolphin Ziggler wrote:David Healy had a hell of an international record, I don't think he was that good either

Aye he does, keane has nearly twice as many goals and over 100 pl goals to boot.

You don't manage that without good ability.

I'm not saying he was Poopie, I just don't think he was that good. He flopped at a few places and I don't think he was as good as Defoe or Kanoute for example

Still had plenty of talent. Scored goals which most other players couldn't have.

Not sure of that last bit. Still, he eked out what he had but I don't think he had a great deal

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Post by Stella Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:21 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
GSC wrote:I'll be honest. Defoe for me is one of the most overrated players in PL history

Love Defoe, and I shouldn't as he's not well liked at our place.

Do you have any ex players that are well liked?
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Post by GSC Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:22 pm

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Post by Stella Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:23 pm

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Dolphin Ziggler wrote:David Healy had a hell of an international record, I don't think he was that good either

Aye he does, keane has nearly twice as many goals and over 100 pl goals to boot.

You don't manage that without good ability.

I'm not saying he was Poopie, I just don't think he was that good. He flopped at a few places and I don't think he was as good as Defoe or Kanoute for example

Still had plenty of talent. Scored goals which most other players couldn't have.

Not sure of that last bit. Still, he eked out what he had but I don't think he had a great deal

Well, game of opinions dolphin, and I respect yours, though will disagree on this occasion.
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Post by Stella Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:24 pm

GSC wrote:Tevez

Di-Canio.
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Post by Fernando Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:27 pm

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Post by Ent Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:30 pm

Keane and Defoe have the same amount of pl goals.

Like Defoe, good finisher and poacher but feel keane offered more in terms of link up play and work in behind.

Not a lot between them.

Also enjoyed kanoute at Sevilla, wouldn't say he had more ability than keane though. Not by a significant margin anyway.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:30 pm

There's loads! Just don't go to Spurs. Defoe kind of deserved it, but most of it is panto now really. He was young and obnoxious, poorly-advised too. Joey never really got booed, Konchesky is always well thought of, and Bobby Z n Green generally get a good reaction

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Post by Stella Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:32 pm

Carrick?
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:32 pm

Ent wrote:Keane and Defoe have the same amount of pl goals.

Like Defoe, good finisher and poacher but feel keane offered more in terms of link up play and work in behind.

Not a lot between them.

Also enjoyed kanoute at Sevilla, wouldn't say he had more ability than keane though. Not by a significant margin anyway.

I'd have said the opposite, Defoe was always especially dangerous carrying the ball too.

Kanoute was also extremely talented, but never had the pace behind. Cracking footballer, but he was far more inconsistent.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:33 pm

I like Carrick, most do, he stayed when we went down so wasn't questioned as much for joining Spurs. Rio gets stick but is generally liked really. Etherington always gets a weird amount of fondness

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Post by Stella Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:36 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I like Carrick, most do, he stayed when we went down so wasn't questioned as much for joining Spurs. Rio gets stick but is generally liked really. Etherington always gets a weird amount of fondness

I think Carrick comes across as a decent bloke, which always helps.
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Post by mystiroakey Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:39 pm

Lampard?

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Post by Ent Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:45 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Ent wrote:Keane and Defoe have the same amount of pl goals.

Like Defoe, good finisher and poacher but feel keane offered more in terms of link up play and work in behind.

Not a lot between them.

Also enjoyed kanoute at Sevilla, wouldn't say he had more ability than keane though. Not by a significant margin anyway.

I'd have said the opposite, Defoe was always especially dangerous carrying the ball too.

Kanoute was also extremely talented, but never had the pace behind. Cracking footballer, but he was far more inconsistent.

Strange how perceptions differ, I'd always had keane down as a bit of a maverick, mercurial and inconsistent. A work horse was the last thing I'd have thought of him as.

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Post by Stella Mon 23 Mar 2015, 8:52 pm

Keane used to chase down defenders, though work horse? Definitely talented though.
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Post by NickisBHAFC Mon 23 Mar 2015, 9:12 pm

GSC wrote:I'll be honest. Defoe for me is one of the most overrated players in PL history

That is an utterly shambolic post!

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Post by GSC Mon 23 Mar 2015, 9:17 pm

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Mon 23 Mar 2015, 9:21 pm

Firstly Carrick is a top class bloke for a footballer, there are absolutely negatives to his character.

Keane was anything but a work horse and myself would say he was a better player than Defoe who is and always was just a very good poacher.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 23 Mar 2015, 9:30 pm

Defoe was the best clean striker of a shot with no time on the ball. He needs no backlift for power and scored some great goals outside the box that weren't wonder hits and hard to repeats, but clear technique and things he could consistently replicate. His dribbling was always brilliant too.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 23 Mar 2015, 9:30 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Lampard?

Wouldn't shake his hand

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Post by Fernando Mon 23 Mar 2015, 10:26 pm

The irony of United fans chanting "What a waste of Money"

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 24 Mar 2015, 4:41 pm

Reports coming that we're in for Fabian Schar. Seems too good for us, so will believe it when I see it

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Post by Guest Tue 24 Mar 2015, 5:43 pm

Heard you were after Tiote for around £7m, if Song doesn't make it permanent this summer.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 24 Mar 2015, 5:52 pm

I'd take that. Not great on the ball but him and Kouyate with Noble pulling the strings would be brilliant

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Post by Liam Tue 24 Mar 2015, 6:10 pm

skrtl has denied a charge against him for his blatantly obvious stamp on de gea. Hope he get's twice the ban when he is eventually found guilty.

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Post by Crimey Tue 24 Mar 2015, 6:18 pm

Like I said at the time, I think there is significant doubt as to whether it was deliberate. I obviously don't know if it was, but it wasn't the same as the Gerrard one, there was no unnatural leg movement, it was all apart of his stride and I can understand why its been appealed.

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Post by Liam Tue 24 Mar 2015, 6:36 pm

I think he knew exactly what he was doing personally. Same as the Rooney kick out on Mingolet, although the stamp being far more dangerous.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:04 pm

He could easily have hurdled De Gea's leg but because he's a little scumbag he made the conscience decision to stamp on him instead and it is indefensible aside from a select few biased Liverpool fans.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:12 pm

Crimey does make a good point

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:13 pm

No he hasn't, he's made a biased point just to defend his player.

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Post by Ent Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:13 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Crimey does make a good point

Does he?

He was obviously second favourite for the ball by quite some distance and just runs into/onto him.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:15 pm

I see bias in the argument, but not from Crimey

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:15 pm

Of course not Dolph.

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Post by Crimey Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:18 pm

I don't know whether it was intentional or not, but I think when looking at it, there can be significant doubt as to whether there was intent. 

I'm not 100% certain of the FA's rules in this case, but if they do have to prove it by all reasonable doubt (which I'm not sure sure they do) I don't think based on the video evidence they can find him guilty. His eyes never look down to De Gea's leg and he doesn't make any movement he wouldn't have if De Gea wasn't there.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:20 pm

Complete and utter b-llshit.

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Post by Ent Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:21 pm

Crimey wrote:I don't know whether it was intentional or not, but I think when looking at it, there can be significant doubt as to whether there was intent. 

I'm not 100% certain of the FA's rules in this case, but if they do have to prove it by all reasonable doubt (which I'm not sure sure they do) I don't think based on the video evidence they can find him guilty. His eyes never look down to De Gea's leg and he doesn't make any movement he wouldn't have if De Gea wasn't there.

Yeah but he could have just not ran onto him when he was well away from getting the ball.

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Post by GSC Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:44 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:No he hasn't, he's made a biased point just to defend his player.

Good lord, the irony
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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:46 pm

The irony of you making yet another post with absolutely no content.

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Post by GSC Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:47 pm

My first reaction having just seen it, is that its clumsy rather than intentional. Looks like he does try to avoid it (you can tell by how he ends up not actually using his entire foot to stamp him as you would if it were intentional).
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Tue 24 Mar 2015, 7:58 pm

I thought intentional when I saw it live, and still think that now
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Post by GSC Tue 24 Mar 2015, 8:02 pm

Damn you and your content Olly
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Post by Ent Tue 24 Mar 2015, 8:08 pm

He's left a bit on him, he is never getting to that ball and has made no effort to avoid him or hurdle him. You don't need to stamp down on someone to deliberately make contact with them.

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Post by Liam Tue 24 Mar 2015, 8:43 pm

You don't need to look down to stamp on someone?! I've just watched it again, he's frustrated because de gea is coming across to gather the ball confirming liverpools loss in probably their biggest game of the season. He knows where de gea's momentum iis taking him (into his path), and stamps on his leg. No way has he done that by accident. If he really didn't want to make contact with de gea1, he had plenty of time to jump over him. Dirty player. Retrospective ban.

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Post by GSC Tue 24 Mar 2015, 8:52 pm

I'm fairly sure his focus is more on the defender threatening to cut across him than De Gea at that moment
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 24 Mar 2015, 9:25 pm

Man United bias

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Post by Azzy Tue 24 Mar 2015, 10:09 pm

I deliberately kicked a keeper really hard, not looking at him but knowing full well what I'd done. It looked like an accident and I only mentioned it on here last year, four years after it happened. It was the dirtiest challenge I've ever made, three red cards worth. It's easy to stamp on someone without looking.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Wed 25 Mar 2015, 12:06 pm

I really wish we could cancel the Falcao loan, he's coming across such a petulant child and it's pathetic, you've not been good enough and haven't played because of that, get over it.

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