We Go Again! The 2014/15 Premier League Thread

by **Crimey** Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:55 pm

First topic message reminder :

Who would have thought that Liverpool's strength would be the defence after the start to the season!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:18 pm

I like Mason. His high pressing style is something we don't get enough from English midfielders.

by Stella Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:18 pm

Must be in the Mason's to have got this recognition.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:19 pm

GSC wrote:I'll be honest. Defoe for me is one of the most overrated players in PL history

Love Defoe, and I shouldn't as he's not well liked at our place.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:20 pm

Stella wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Ent wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:David Healy had a hell of an international record, I don't think he was that good either

Aye he does, keane has nearly twice as many goals and over 100 pl goals to boot.

You don't manage that without good ability.

I'm not saying he was Poopie, I just don't think he was that good. He flopped at a few places and I don't think he was as good as Defoe or Kanoute for example

Still had plenty of talent. Scored goals which most other players couldn't have.

Not sure of that last bit. Still, he eked out what he had but I don't think he had a great deal

by Stella Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:21 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
GSC wrote:I'll be honest. Defoe for me is one of the most overrated players in PL history

Love Defoe, and I shouldn't as he's not well liked at our place.

Do you have any ex players that are well liked?

by GSC Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:22 pm

Tevez

by Stella Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:23 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Stella wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Ent wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:David Healy had a hell of an international record, I don't think he was that good either

Aye he does, keane has nearly twice as many goals and over 100 pl goals to boot.

You don't manage that without good ability.

I'm not saying he was Poopie, I just don't think he was that good. He flopped at a few places and I don't think he was as good as Defoe or Kanoute for example

Still had plenty of talent. Scored goals which most other players couldn't have.

Not sure of that last bit. Still, he eked out what he had but I don't think he had a great deal

Well, game of opinions dolphin, and I respect yours, though will disagree on this occasion.

by Stella Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:24 pm

GSC wrote:Tevez

Di-Canio.

by Fernando Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:27 pm

Tomas Repka

Chuck Norris hides from Tomas Repka

by Ent Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:30 pm

Keane and Defoe have the same amount of pl goals.

Like Defoe, good finisher and poacher but feel keane offered more in terms of link up play and work in behind.

Not a lot between them.

Also enjoyed kanoute at Sevilla, wouldn't say he had more ability than keane though. Not by a significant margin anyway.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:30 pm

There's loads! Just don't go to Spurs. Defoe kind of deserved it, but most of it is panto now really. He was young and obnoxious, poorly-advised too. Joey never really got booed, Konchesky is always well thought of, and Bobby Z n Green generally get a good reaction

by Stella Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:32 pm

Carrick?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:32 pm

Ent wrote:Keane and Defoe have the same amount of pl goals.

Like Defoe, good finisher and poacher but feel keane offered more in terms of link up play and work in behind.

Not a lot between them.

Also enjoyed kanoute at Sevilla, wouldn't say he had more ability than keane though. Not by a significant margin anyway.

I'd have said the opposite, Defoe was always especially dangerous carrying the ball too.

Kanoute was also extremely talented, but never had the pace behind. Cracking footballer, but he was far more inconsistent.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:33 pm

I like Carrick, most do, he stayed when we went down so wasn't questioned as much for joining Spurs. Rio gets stick but is generally liked really. Etherington always gets a weird amount of fondness

by Stella Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:36 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I like Carrick, most do, he stayed when we went down so wasn't questioned as much for joining Spurs. Rio gets stick but is generally liked really. Etherington always gets a weird amount of fondness

I think Carrick comes across as a decent bloke, which always helps.

by mystiroakey Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:39 pm

Lampard?

by Ent Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:45 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Ent wrote:Keane and Defoe have the same amount of pl goals.

Like Defoe, good finisher and poacher but feel keane offered more in terms of link up play and work in behind.

Not a lot between them.

Also enjoyed kanoute at Sevilla, wouldn't say he had more ability than keane though. Not by a significant margin anyway.

I'd have said the opposite, Defoe was always especially dangerous carrying the ball too.

Kanoute was also extremely talented, but never had the pace behind. Cracking footballer, but he was far more inconsistent.

Strange how perceptions differ, I'd always had keane down as a bit of a maverick, mercurial and inconsistent. A work horse was the last thing I'd have thought of him as.

by Stella Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:52 pm

Keane used to chase down defenders, though work horse? Definitely talented though.

by NickisBHAFC Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:12 pm

GSC wrote:I'll be honest. Defoe for me is one of the most overrated players in PL history

That is an utterly shambolic post!

by GSC Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:17 pm

#nickpost

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:21 pm

Firstly Carrick is a top class bloke for a footballer, there are absolutely negatives to his character.

Keane was anything but a work horse and myself would say he was a better player than Defoe who is and always was just a very good poacher.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:30 pm

Defoe was the best clean striker of a shot with no time on the ball. He needs no backlift for power and scored some great goals outside the box that weren't wonder hits and hard to repeats, but clear technique and things he could consistently replicate. His dribbling was always brilliant too.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:30 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Lampard?

Wouldn't shake his hand

by Fernando Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:26 pm

The irony of United fans chanting "What a waste of Money"

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:41 pm

Reports coming that we're in for Fabian Schar. Seems too good for us, so will believe it when I see it

by Guest Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:43 pm

Heard you were after Tiote for around £7m, if Song doesn't make it permanent this summer.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:52 pm

I'd take that. Not great on the ball but him and Kouyate with Noble pulling the strings would be brilliant

by Liam Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:10 pm

skrtl has denied a charge against him for his blatantly obvious stamp on de gea. Hope he get's twice the ban when he is eventually found guilty.

by **Crimey** Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:18 pm

Like I said at the time, I think there is significant doubt as to whether it was deliberate. I obviously don't know if it was, but it wasn't the same as the Gerrard one, there was no unnatural leg movement, it was all apart of his stride and I can understand why its been appealed.

by Liam Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:36 pm

I think he knew exactly what he was doing personally. Same as the Rooney kick out on Mingolet, although the stamp being far more dangerous.

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:04 pm

He could easily have hurdled De Gea's leg but because he's a little scumbag he made the conscience decision to stamp on him instead and it is indefensible aside from a select few biased Liverpool fans.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:12 pm

Crimey does make a good point

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:13 pm

No he hasn't, he's made a biased point just to defend his player.

by Ent Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:13 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Crimey does make a good point

Does he?

He was obviously second favourite for the ball by quite some distance and just runs into/onto him.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:15 pm

I see bias in the argument, but not from Crimey

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:15 pm

Of course not Dolph.

by **Crimey** Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:18 pm

I don't know whether it was intentional or not, but I think when looking at it, there can be significant doubt as to whether there was intent.

I'm not 100% certain of the FA's rules in this case, but if they do have to prove it by all reasonable doubt (which I'm not sure sure they do) I don't think based on the video evidence they can find him guilty. His eyes never look down to De Gea's leg and he doesn't make any movement he wouldn't have if De Gea wasn't there.

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:20 pm

Complete and utter b-llshit.

by Ent Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:21 pm

Crimey wrote:I don't know whether it was intentional or not, but I think when looking at it, there can be significant doubt as to whether there was intent.

I'm not 100% certain of the FA's rules in this case, but if they do have to prove it by all reasonable doubt (which I'm not sure sure they do) I don't think based on the video evidence they can find him guilty. His eyes never look down to De Gea's leg and he doesn't make any movement he wouldn't have if De Gea wasn't there.

Yeah but he could have just not ran onto him when he was well away from getting the ball.

by GSC Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:44 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:No he hasn't, he's made a biased point just to defend his player.

Good lord, the irony

by Hammersmith harrier Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:46 pm

The irony of you making yet another post with absolutely no content.

by GSC Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:47 pm

My first reaction having just seen it, is that its clumsy rather than intentional. Looks like he does try to avoid it (you can tell by how he ends up not actually using his entire foot to stamp him as you would if it were intentional).

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:58 pm

I thought intentional when I saw it live, and still think that now

by GSC Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:02 pm

Damn you and your content Olly

by Ent Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:08 pm

He's left a bit on him, he is never getting to that ball and has made no effort to avoid him or hurdle him. You don't need to stamp down on someone to deliberately make contact with them.

by Liam Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:43 pm

You don't need to look down to stamp on someone?! I've just watched it again, he's frustrated because de gea is coming across to gather the ball confirming liverpools loss in probably their biggest game of the season. He knows where de gea's momentum iis taking him (into his path), and stamps on his leg. No way has he done that by accident. If he really didn't want to make contact with de gea1, he had plenty of time to jump over him. Dirty player. Retrospective ban.

by GSC Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:52 pm

I'm fairly sure his focus is more on the defender threatening to cut across him than De Gea at that moment

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:25 pm

Man United bias

by Azzy Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:09 pm

I deliberately kicked a keeper really hard, not looking at him but knowing full well what I'd done. It looked like an accident and I only mentioned it on here last year, four years after it happened. It was the dirtiest challenge I've ever made, three red cards worth. It's easy to stamp on someone without looking.

by Hammersmith harrier Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:06 pm

I really wish we could cancel the Falcao loan, he's coming across such a petulant child and it's pathetic, you've not been good enough and haven't played because of that, get over it.

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