Pro12 TV Schedule

by Chunky Norwich Tue 05 May 2015, 7:19 pm

First topic message reminder :

Can someone point me in the direction of the tv viewing schedule for the last day of the regular Pro12 fixtures.

Thanks

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 1:41 pm

Personally I hope BBC Wales pull out of the deal and insist on match funding arrangement with the Irish.

900k BBC Wales
900k Ireland
140k Scotland

£1.9m instead of £4.2m

That's about fair, and reduces the pro12 deal even further.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 12 May 2015, 1:44 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Again, not one Irish poster even has the Love sacks to admit that their is something unequal about the tv moneys.

Shameless.
No. What's shameless is being sad enough to use every opportunity to run down the league that your team plays in.

Not refraining from commenting on tv deals which are not in the public domain and may or may not be the way RRW said they were 2 years ago.

That's not 2 years ago. It is the current deal with sky tv in the mix.

Shameless.

So this is NOT the source of your info then?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/25394813

Seamas.

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 1:45 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Again, not one Irish poster even has the Love sacks to admit that their is something unequal about the tv moneys.

Shameless.
No. What's shameless is being sad enough to use every opportunity to run down the league that your team plays in.

Not refraining from commenting on tv deals which are not in the public domain and may or may not be the way RRW said they were 2 years ago.

That's not 2 years ago. It is the current deal with sky tv in the mix.

Shameless.

So this is NOT the source of your info then?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/25394813

Seamas.

No, that was a year before. If you had read my post it actually states the source.

by bedfordwelsh Tue 12 May 2015, 1:45 pm

Jimpy wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
Jimpy wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Well if its of any consolation the pathetic Aviva Premiership in same boat as BT not know what games they are showing yet so least we not the only pathetic league around.

Wrong, that was published as early as Sunday after the Saracens game.

Not on any tv listing yesterday they weren't.

BT Sport's own website had the games they were going to show published minutes after the final whistle blew at Allianz Park. For example, Tigers v Saints is one, Sale v Exeter is the other.

And to be fair, you wouldn't need to be that clever to work out that they'd be the matches shown, considering Saracens travel to London Welsh for 5 points thankyou very much.

Not when I checked yesterday morning they hadn't, just said a game from the Aviva

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 12 May 2015, 1:48 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Personally I hope BBC Wales pull out of the deal and insist on match funding arrangement with the Irish.

900k BBC Wales
900k Ireland
140k Scotland

£1.9m instead of £4.2m

That's about fair, and reduces the pro12 deal even further.

But more money is good. You are always saying it. Erm

Oooh. I get it. You are shamelessly trying to kill the pro12

And without an ounce of guilt.

Shameless.

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 1:49 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Personally I hope BBC Wales pull out of the deal and insist on match funding arrangement with the Irish.

900k BBC Wales
900k Ireland
140k Scotland

£1.9m instead of £4.2m

That's about fair, and reduces the pro12 deal even further.

But more money is good. You are always saying it.

Oooh. I get it. You are shamelessly trying to kill the pro12

And without an ounce of guilt.

Shameless.

Fair enough, let the Irish cough up to the equivalent of what the Welsh bring in. £3.2m

I don't mind either way.

by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 1:51 pm

Oh, it's all kicking off again.

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by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 12 May 2015, 1:52 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

No, that was a year before. If you had read my post it actually states the source.

I didn't see a link

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 1:53 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Again, not one Irish poster even has the Love sacks to admit that their is something unequal about the tv moneys.

Shameless.

What the hell are you talking about? If people knew what you were talking about they might proffer an opinion more to your liking.

If the Regions were treated separately and if Sky revenue was split evenly between teams broadcast????

To hell with IFs. What's happening in reality?

BBC Wales show mostly Welsh Regional games? Yes? No?
I'll take it that it's a Yes

Now that doesn't mean those games are all Welsh Derbies - teams from Scotland, Italy and Ireland play in some of them - but that's not the fans that concern BBC Wales - they're pandering to their Welsh viewers in showing Regional interest games - for £3.Something million for the privilege - which is then shared out equally to all Pro12 partners? Yes? No?
I'll assume Yes.

Sky, they show mostly Irish interest games. Again, yes, that involves Welsh or Scottish or Italian sides, but they're pandering to the Irish viewers in showing Irish interest games - for £5.Something million - which is then shared out equally to all Pro12 partners? Yes?
Again, I'll assume Yes.

Why should the Welsh Regions get to hold onto BBC Wales money all to themselves simply because the broadcaster has 'Wales' in its title? The money doesn't belong to Wales just as Sky money doesn't belong to Ireland.

Yes. This bit is key ^

It has nothing to do with "regions getting to hold on to the money" and everything to do with Ireland and Scotland putting fark all into the pro12.

What are you - Fecking - on about Chunk? The BBC Licence fee pays for BBC Wales contribution - yes? That's money that's given to BBC Wales as a budget that comes from the BBC as a whole (60million population)? Yes? People in Scotland contribute? Yes? People in Scotland can tune into BBC Wales? Yes? People is Northern Ireland contribute? Yes? People in Northern Ireland can tune into BBC Wales? Yes?

What exclusive RIGHT do Regions in Wales have to money that is generated across the UK? Pro12 negotiated the Pro12 Broadcasting deal - NOT Welsh Regions doing it for themselves.

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 1:54 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:

No, that was a year before. If you had read my post it actually states the source.

I didn't see a link

Ir's like talking to a primary school

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jan/16/the-breakdown-french-rugby-top14-tv

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 1:55 pm

SecretFly wrote:

What are you - Fecking - on about Chunk? The BBC Licence fee pays for BBC Wales contribution - yes? That's money that's given to BBC Wales as a budget that comes from the BBC as a whole (60million population)? Yes? People in Scotland contribute? Yes? People in Scotland can tune into BBC Wales? Yes? People is Northern Ireland contribute? Yes? People in Northern Ireland can tune into BBC Wales? Yes?

What exclusive RIGHT do Regions in Wales have to money that is generated across the UK? Pro12 negotiated the Pro12 Broadcasting deal - NOT Welsh Regions doing it for themselves.

In the same way that I can see BBC Alba and BBC Northern Ireland you mean?

You're clutching at straws.

The whole thing is a mess.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 1:55 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:No7 1/2, if you look Sky have shown.......

From your admittedly unfinished list;
.....

I couldn't find it on the site I was looking at....

That doesn't include any extra Irish games that they'd have shown in the period you didn't cover (three months?) You include two Welsh but left it 15 for Ireland.

Plus...you could argue that BBC Wales know that I and a lot of my countryman can quite easily watch BBC Wales (and I often DO catch games on BBC Wales, S4C, Alba etc. All those channels know they are viewable to Irish audiences so why should it be naturally assumed that Sky games can be watched by all Nations (except perhaps Italians) - therefore their money is for all of us - yet somehow only Welsh people can watch the BBC Wales games - therefore their money should really only go to Welsh regions if things were done right?

It doesn't commute.

The only reason I put that list together was because of 7&1/2 making claims that Sky were not interested in any teams other than Munster, Leinster & Glasgow, which is just total and utter tripe.

I would love to have been able to have put together a full Games Aired By Sky list, but like I say the website/search I did failed to show games in the Oct-Dec window for some reason. If anyone else can whip up a list I would love to see it. But as it stands (unfortunately uncompleted) It would definitely seem that Sky are broadcasting a pretty balanced amount of games from across the main Pro12 nations. The lesser sides like Connacht, Blues, Dragons, Edinburgh and the Italians seem to be getting less coverage.

BBC Wales/S4C do target the Welsh audience with Welsh games, BBC Alba do target the Scottish audience, BBC NI target Ulster fans etc etc. If they get extra viewing figures from other nations that is good, however they would not pay to broadcast the games with that in mind. Sky however, bought into the league to broadcast it to viewers across the whole of Britain and Ireland, and they only did so because the Jeff ditched them and left them with a huge hole in their rugby portfolio. The interesting thing is that Sky seem to have given the most coverage to teams that are involved in the RCC, which makes sense as they have some rights to that, which would also be the teams most marketable to the English audience. However that is far from being just the 'big' teams that 7 & 1/2 claimed that Sky were interested in (with fook all evidence to back up his claims).

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 1:56 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Personally I hope BBC Wales pull out of the deal and insist on match funding arrangement with the Irish.

900k BBC Wales
900k Ireland
140k Scotland

£1.9m instead of £4.2m

That's about fair, and reduces the pro12 deal even further.

But more money is good. You are always saying it.

Oooh. I get it. You are shamelessly trying to kill the pro12

And without an ounce of guilt.

Shameless.

Fair enough, let the Irish cough up to the equivalent of what the Welsh bring in. £3.2m

I don't mind either way.

We brought £5.Something million oh plus the 900,000 (6.Something Million) - without us there'd have been no SKY...don't kid yourself Chunky Wink

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 1:57 pm

SecretFly wrote:
We brought £5.Something million oh plus the 900,000 (6.Something Million) - without us there'd have been no SKY...don't kid yourself Chunky

Horseshit.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 1:57 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Personally I hope BBC Wales pull out of the deal and insist on match funding arrangement with the Irish.

900k BBC Wales
900k Ireland
140k Scotland

£1.9m instead of £4.2m

That's about fair, and reduces the pro12 deal even further.

But more money is good. You are always saying it.

Oooh. I get it. You are shamelessly trying to kill the pro12

And without an ounce of guilt.

Shameless.

Fair enough, let the Irish cough up to the equivalent of what the Welsh bring in. £3.2m

I don't mind either way.

They bring in more, because Sky are interested in the provinces only apparently.

by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 1:57 pm

S4C was getting £90m from the department of Culture, but now most of that money is coming from the BBC:

S4C is financed from its advertising revenue and a fixed annual grant from the UK Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), receiving £90m of funding in 2011.[26] Additionally, some Welsh-language programming (including Newyddion and Pobol y Cwm) is produced by BBC Wales as part of the BBC's public service remit, and provided to S4C free of charge.

S4C is controlled by the S4C Authority (Awdurdod S4C), an independent body unconnected to Ofcom, the regulator of other UK television channels such as ITV and Channel 4.

From 2013, responsibility for funding S4C will begin to transfer to the BBC, with the DCMS reducing its funding by 94% by 2015.[27] The BBC will provide around £76m of funding to S4C by this date, resulting in a cut of around 25% to S4C's annual budget.[28] This decision has been challenged by Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg (The Welsh Language Society), which wants the proposed transfer of responsibility for funding S4C from DCMS to the BBC to be stopped.[29]

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 12 May 2015, 1:58 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Personally I hope BBC Wales pull out of the deal and insist on match funding arrangement with the Irish.

900k BBC Wales
900k Ireland
140k Scotland

£1.9m instead of £4.2m

That's about fair, and reduces the pro12 deal even further.

But more money is good. You are always saying it.

Oooh. I get it. You are shamelessly trying to kill the pro12

And without an ounce of guilt.

Shameless.

Fair enough, let the Irish cough up to the equivalent of what the Welsh bring in. £3.2m

I don't mind either way.

That's the issue though. You're like a spoilt child. All spite and shyte. You would rather your league was dragged in the mud than prospered.

Like someone in rented or government provided accommodation who breaks up their house regardless of the fact that they are the ones that have to live in it. (Sh1t on their own doorstep and then have to live in sh1t)

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 1:59 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Again, not one Irish poster even has the Love sacks to admit that their is something unequal about the tv moneys.

Shameless.

What the hell are you talking about? If people knew what you were talking about they might proffer an opinion more to your liking.

If the Regions were treated separately and if Sky revenue was split evenly between teams broadcast????

To hell with IFs. What's happening in reality?

BBC Wales show mostly Welsh Regional games? Yes? No?
I'll take it that it's a Yes

Now that doesn't mean those games are all Welsh Derbies - teams from Scotland, Italy and Ireland play in some of them - but that's not the fans that concern BBC Wales - they're pandering to their Welsh viewers in showing Regional interest games - for £3.Something million for the privilege - which is then shared out equally to all Pro12 partners? Yes? No?
I'll assume Yes.

Sky, they show mostly Irish interest games. Again, yes, that involves Welsh or Scottish or Italian sides, but they're pandering to the Irish viewers in showing Irish interest games - for £5.Something million - which is then shared out equally to all Pro12 partners? Yes?
Again, I'll assume Yes.

Why should the Welsh Regions get to hold onto BBC Wales money all to themselves simply because the broadcaster has 'Wales' in its title? The money doesn't belong to Wales just as Sky money doesn't belong to Ireland.

Yes. This bit is key ^

It has nothing to do with "regions getting to hold on to the money" and everything to do with Ireland and Scotland putting fark all into the pro12.

What are you - Fecking - on about Chunk? The BBC Licence fee pays for BBC Wales contribution - yes? That's money that's given to BBC Wales as a budget that comes from the BBC as a whole (60million population)? Yes? People in Scotland contribute? Yes? People in Scotland can tune into BBC Wales? Yes? People is Northern Ireland contribute? Yes? People in Northern Ireland can tune into BBC Wales? Yes?

What exclusive RIGHT do Regions in Wales have to money that is generated across the UK? Pro12 negotiated the Pro12 Broadcasting deal - NOT Welsh Regions doing it for themselves.

Ah-ha, so the freeloaders in the league are Munster, Leinster and Connacht. As the BBC money brought in by the Welsh, Scottish and Ulster is considerably higher than that brought in by those three provinces (per capita).

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 1:59 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

They bring in more, because Sky are interested in the provinces only apparently.

Shameless bunch of cowpat pedellers.

They will keep their foot on our heads as long as we are underwater. We need out of this league where these wanton crooks can no longer hold us to ransom.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 12 May 2015, 2:00 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:

No, that was a year before. If you had read my post it actually states the source.

I didn't see a link

Ir's like talking to a primary school

Ir is. Precisely.

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:02 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote:

What are you - Fecking - on about Chunk? The BBC Licence fee pays for BBC Wales contribution - yes? That's money that's given to BBC Wales as a budget that comes from the BBC as a whole (60million population)? Yes? People in Scotland contribute? Yes? People in Scotland can tune into BBC Wales? Yes? People is Northern Ireland contribute? Yes? People in Northern Ireland can tune into BBC Wales? Yes?

What exclusive RIGHT do Regions in Wales have to money that is generated across the UK? Pro12 negotiated the Pro12 Broadcasting deal - NOT Welsh Regions doing it for themselves.

In the same way that I can see BBC Alba and BBC Northern Ireland you mean?

You're clutching at straws.

The whole thing is a mess.

No, you've just lost your argument.... again. Yes, you can watch Alba and BBC NI....now you get it. BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 12 May 2015, 2:02 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:

They bring in more, because Sky are interested in the provinces only apparently.

Shameless bunch of cowpat pedellers.

They will keep their foot on our heads as long as we are underwater. We need out of this league where these wanton crooks can no longer hold us to ransom.

Ah yah know. You try to help a guy out. Make their league interesting.

This is how they repay you.

Shameless really. Actually possibly disgusting and pathetic also.

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 2:03 pm

SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:04 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Ah-ha, so the freeloaders in the league are Munster, Leinster and Connacht. As the BBC money brought in by the Welsh, Scottish and Ulster is considerably higher than that brought in by those three provinces (per capita).

Like I said.. we brought SKY Wink

- something over 6 million in total I'd reckon when all is said and done and SKY cream off the profits from all the new subscriptions and PUB broadcasting fees..... Whistle

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:05 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?

Without us - no SKY... so yeah.

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 2:06 pm

Unbelievable.

by bedfordwelsh Tue 12 May 2015, 2:08 pm

No need for the personal insults guys.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 2:08 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?

Without us - no SKY... so yeah.

Sky would have swooped in for whatever league they could get hold of that was a level above the English Championship. The Jeff had left them in poop street, after taking the league and half the RCC away to BT. Sky needed something to keep them in the rugby market, and the Pro12 suited them. Be under no allusions, if the Jeff (or T14) decided they wanted to go to Sky after their BTSport deal expires the Pro12 would be dropped asap.

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:08 pm

At least we now got to the point where Chunky is at least prepared to admit the Scottish and Ulster boys aren't riding high on Welsh generated money...

...that's at least something for now......

...it's a slow process but we'll baptise him yet as an Enthusiastic Follower of Pro12 .....

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:12 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?

Without us - no SKY... so yeah.

Sky would have swooped in for whatever league they could get hold of that was a level above the English Championship. The Jeff had left them in poop street, after taking the league and half the RCC away to BT. Sky needed something to keep them in the rugby market, and the Pro12 suited them. Be under no allusions, if the Jeff (or T14) decided they wanted to go to Sky after their BTSport deal expires the Pro12 would be dropped asap.

Without us - no SKY. Without us, no need for SKY - as all you boys have BBC Wink

Without us there would have been a bidding war as SKY would not have had enough to go on to be taking snippets of a Welsh/Scottish/Italian league. They'd want it all or nothing. So BBC Wales would offer their possible 3 million for the 8 team League... SKY would have offered 3.5 million. And away yis go. Lovely stuff - great league, lottsa money.

by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 2:14 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?

Without us - no SKY... so yeah.

Sky would have swooped in for whatever league they could get hold of that was a level above the English Championship. The Jeff had left them in poop street, after taking the league and half the RCC away to BT. Sky needed something to keep them in the rugby market, and the Pro12 suited them. Be under no allusions, if the Jeff (or T14) decided they wanted to go to Sky after their BTSport deal expires the Pro12 would be dropped asap.

Can't agree with that Scarlets. Why would SKY drop the Pro12? If you had the figures to prove that the Pro12 wasn't profitable for SKY, then maybe, but Pro12 is on the up, I believe. Increased attendance, for example, (in fact this season has broke the record) and the fact that Guinness have backed us. It will be interesting to see the viewing figures for this season once they're released. I would think they have increased overall.

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:19 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Unbelievable.

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by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 2:21 pm

Munchkin wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?

Without us - no SKY... so yeah.

Sky would have swooped in for whatever league they could get hold of that was a level above the English Championship. The Jeff had left them in poop street, after taking the league and half the RCC away to BT. Sky needed something to keep them in the rugby market, and the Pro12 suited them. Be under no allusions, if the Jeff (or T14) decided they wanted to go to Sky after their BTSport deal expires the Pro12 would be dropped asap.

Can't agree with that Scarlets. Why would SKY drop the Pro12? If you had the figures to prove that the Pro12 wasn't profitable for SKY, then maybe, but Pro12 is on the up, I believe. Increased attendance, for example, (in fact this season has broke the record) and the fact that Guinness have backed us. It will be interesting to see the viewing figures for this season once they're released. I would think they have increased overall.

I see where your coming from, the Pro12 is an improving league. However, from a business sense there is far more money involved in the Jeff, and Sky know that.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 2:22 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?

Without us - no SKY... so yeah.

Sky would have swooped in for whatever league they could get hold of that was a level above the English Championship. The Jeff had left them in poop street, after taking the league and half the RCC away to BT. Sky needed something to keep them in the rugby market, and the Pro12 suited them. Be under no allusions, if the Jeff (or T14) decided they wanted to go to Sky after their BTSport deal expires the Pro12 would be dropped asap.

Without us - no SKY. Without us, no need for SKY - as all you boys have BBC

Without us there would have been a bidding war as SKY would not have had enough to go on to be taking snippets of a Welsh/Scottish/Italian league. They'd want it all or nothing. So BBC Wales would offer their possible 3 million for the 8 team League... SKY would have offered 3.5 million. And away yis go. Lovely stuff - great league, lottsa money.

Cough, cough.

by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 2:26 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively or even mostly from Welsh people sitting in Welsh houses....neither does BBC NI generate its spending budget from exclusively Northern Irish people sitting in Northern Irish homes...and so on and so on for Alba etc.

But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?

Without us - no SKY... so yeah.

Sky would have swooped in for whatever league they could get hold of that was a level above the English Championship. The Jeff had left them in poop street, after taking the league and half the RCC away to BT. Sky needed something to keep them in the rugby market, and the Pro12 suited them. Be under no allusions, if the Jeff (or T14) decided they wanted to go to Sky after their BTSport deal expires the Pro12 would be dropped asap.

Can't agree with that Scarlets. Why would SKY drop the Pro12? If you had the figures to prove that the Pro12 wasn't profitable for SKY, then maybe, but Pro12 is on the up, I believe. Increased attendance, for example, (in fact this season has broke the record) and the fact that Guinness have backed us. It will be interesting to see the viewing figures for this season once they're released. I would think they have increased overall.

I see where your coming from, the Pro12 is an improving league. However, from a business sense there is far more money involved in the Jeff, and Sky know that.

That's true, but I don't think SKY choosing one excludes the other. By that I mean if Pro12 is good for SKY, and they had a chance of taking over another league, they would probably opt for both. If anything I expect SKY to increase their offer for Pro12 once the contract is due for renewal. So long as Pro12 continues to move ahead.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 2:32 pm

Munchkin wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively ......
But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?
Without us - no SKY... so yeah.
Sky would have swooped in for whatever league they could get hold of that was a level above the English Championship......[/b]
Can't agree with that Scarlets......
I see where your coming from.....
That's true, but I don't think SKY choosing one excludes the other. By that I mean if Pro12 is good for SKY, and they had a chance of taking over another league, they would probably opt for both. If anything I expect SKY to increase their offer for Pro12 once the contract is due for renewal. So long as Pro12 continues to move ahead.

Again in theory I agree. However the Jeff would not sell only 23-30 games a season (like we did), as that would mean very little TV coverage for them, so they would be most likely neigh on all or none. Which means unless one of the Jeff/Pr12 were to accept some bizarre kickoff times (to allow TV Coverage) then it would be a case of either them or us.

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:32 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Cough, cough.

Oh right..................... Sky WOULD have gotten involved had we not been there. I think we actually spoiled BIG things for the Welsh by being here. Wink

A Zebre Ospreys final would have SKY drooling.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 12 May 2015, 2:33 pm

BBC Wales wrote:
Watch video Pro12 finale - Treviso v Scarlets Pro12, Saturday, 16 May, 15:00 BST, BBC Two Wales

Listen to audio Pro12 finale - Connacht v Ospreys Pro12, Saturday, 16 May, 15:00 BST, BBC Radio Wales (UK only).

Watch video Pro12 finale - Munster v Dragons tbc Pro12, Saturday, 16 May, 15:00 BST (S4C via BBC iPlayer, Welsh language)

TG4 showing Munster v Dragons. (which means SC4 have no feed for Connacht v Ospreys and it won't be on telly)

Sky Glasgow v Ulster

by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 2:37 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
SecretFly wrote: BBC Wales doesn't generate its 3.2 million exclusively ......
But sky's 5.5m is ONLY because of the Irish right?
Without us - no SKY... so yeah.
Sky would have swooped in for whatever league they could get hold of that was a level above the English Championship......[/b]
Can't agree with that Scarlets......
I see where your coming from.....
That's true, but I don't think SKY choosing one excludes the other. By that I mean if Pro12 is good for SKY, and they had a chance of taking over another league, they would probably opt for both. If anything I expect SKY to increase their offer for Pro12 once the contract is due for renewal. So long as Pro12 continues to move ahead.

Again in theory I agree. However the Jeff would not sell only 23-30 games a season (like we did), as that would mean very little TV coverage for them, so they would be most likely neigh on all or none. Which means unless one of the Jeff/Pr12 were to accept some bizarre kickoff times (to allow TV Coverage) then it would be a case of either them or us.

I was thinking about that and I just don't know. It isn't as if SKY have a lack of channels, and can't add to them. I'm not sure though. Anyway, it's all guesswork. I don't think it's going to happen any time soon and, just for one more guess, if it ever did happen, then I'm sure the ousted broadcaster from whatever league SKY was to take over would be interested in Pro12.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 2:39 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Cough, cough.

Oh right..................... Sky WOULD have gotten involved had we not been there. I think we actually spoiled BIG things for the Welsh by being here. A Zebre Ospreys final would have SKY drooling.

I bet you will feel like a grade A bumhole if the final turns out to be Ospreys V Glasgow, which as the table stands is possible.

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 2:39 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote: (which means SC4 have no feed for Connacht v Ospreys and it won't be on telly)

laughable league.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 2:41 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
BBC Wales wrote:
Watch video Pro12 finale - Treviso v Scarlets Pro12, Saturday, 16 May, 15:00 BST, BBC Two Wales

Listen to audio Pro12 finale - Connacht v Ospreys Pro12, Saturday, 16 May, 15:00 BST, BBC Radio Wales (UK only).

Watch video Pro12 finale - Munster v Dragons tbc Pro12, Saturday, 16 May, 15:00 BST (S4C via BBC iPlayer, Welsh language)

TG4 showing Munster v Dragons. (which means SC4 have no feed for Connacht v Ospreys and it won't be on telly)

Sky Glasgow v Ulster

Its a shame that Connacht V Ospreys on S4C with Munster V Dragons on TG4, or vice versa. Although I guess S4C know they will have another game (or two) where they can televise the Ospreys.

by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 2:46 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Its a shame that Connacht V Ospreys on S4C with Munster V Dragons on TG4, or vice versa. Although I guess S4C know they will have another game (or two) where they can televise the Ospreys.

I don't believe it's correct. Even the Pro12 surely would ensure that the top side going for a home semi v a side gunning for qualification would be shown live on the last day.

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:50 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Cough, cough.

Oh right..................... Sky WOULD have gotten involved had we not been there. I think we actually spoiled BIG things for the Welsh by being here. A Zebre Ospreys final would have SKY drooling.

I bet you will feel like a grade A bumhole if the final turns out to be Ospreys V Glasgow, which as the table stands is possible.

???

That's a game SKY would BUY Wink

You think I think so little of Glasgow that I'd put them in the same bracket as Zebre?

But do carry on....

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 2:52 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Its a shame that Connacht V Ospreys on S4C with Munster V Dragons on TG4, or vice versa. Although I guess S4C know they will have another game (or two) where they can televise the Ospreys.

I don't believe it's correct. Even the Pro12 surely would ensure that the top side going for a home semi v a side gunning for qualification would be shown live on the last day.

BBC Wales messing about?

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 2:53 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Cough, cough.

Oh right..................... Sky WOULD have gotten involved had we not been there. I think we actually spoiled BIG things for the Welsh by being here. A Zebre Ospreys final would have SKY drooling.

I bet you will feel like a grade A bumhole if the final turns out to be Ospreys V Glasgow, which as the table stands is possible.

???

That's a game SKY would BUY

You think I think so little of Glasgow that I'd put them in the same bracket as Zebre?

But do carry on....

Why suggest without the Irish it would be an Ospreys v Zebre final then? But as you say, carry on......

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 3:05 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Cough, cough.

Oh right..................... Sky WOULD have gotten involved had we not been there. I think we actually spoiled BIG things for the Welsh by being here. A Zebre Ospreys final would have SKY drooling.

I bet you will feel like a grade A bumhole if the final turns out to be Ospreys V Glasgow, which as the table stands is possible.

???

That's a game SKY would BUY

You think I think so little of Glasgow that I'd put them in the same bracket as Zebre?

But do carry on....

Why suggest without the Irish it would be an Ospreys v Zebre final then? But as you say, carry on......

Because that's how sarcasm and irony works, Scarlet....! There is no Kick in saying .... "oh yeah if we weren't there that would mean Sky would have a Glasgow v Ospreys final!"

That's crud mischief. That's amateurish banter. That's beneath us.

Now, the point was kinda based on the idea that if there are only 8 sides, and two of them are Italian, and four play-off games.... well, anything can happen in off days during the season to any side, and theoretically the chance of a Zebre v Ospreys final would be greater.... and Sky would 'love' it.... sell it to the Welsh easily and the Italians wouldn't even know it was being played.

Why does everything have to be spelled out in baby steps here? It kills the smoothness of the ride.

by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 3:06 pm

but carry on..........

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 3:13 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Cough, cough.

Oh right..................... Sky WOULD have gotten involved had we not been there. I think we actually spoiled BIG things for the Welsh by being here. A Zebre Ospreys final would have SKY drooling.

I bet you will feel like a grade A bumhole if the final turns out to be Ospreys V Glasgow, which as the table stands is possible.

???

That's a game SKY would BUY

You think I think so little of Glasgow that I'd put them in the same bracket as Zebre?

But do carry on....

Why suggest without the Irish it would be an Ospreys v Zebre final then? But as you say, carry on......

Because that's how sarcasm and irony works, Scarlet....! There is no Kick in saying .... "oh yeah if we weren't there that would mean Sky would have a Glasgow v Ospreys final!"

That's crud mischief. That's amateurish banter. That's beneath us.

Now, the point was kinda based on the idea that if there are only 8 sides, and two of them are Italian, and four play-off games.... well, anything can happen in off days during the season to any side, and theoretically the chance of a Zebre v Ospreys final would be greater.... and Sky would 'love' it.... sell it to the Welsh easily and the Italians wouldn't even know it was being played.

Why does everything have to be spelled out in baby steps here? It kills the smoothness of the ride.

That's it go back to the 'it was just tongue in cheek' crap that bumholes always use when they have been shown up as bumholes. Why does it have to be smart arse comments and condescension on here all the time. It kills the logic and debate.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 3:13 pm

SecretFly wrote:but carry on..........

But carry on, carrying on......

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