Summer Transfer Window Thread 15/16

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:18 pm

First topic message reminder :

Haha I dont worry, if hes any good he'll be gone in a season and if hes not he'll throw a strop when you're 16th and Steve has lost the plot.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:10 pm

Big deal. But whilst the fee is inflated, they've probably got the best Young British talent and will likely have him for 10 years. The fee is inflated, but the tv money next year will add more inflation to the fees in this league. To be honest, I think City are missing a Sterling like player.

Now, where are they gonna spend that money? Benteke time? Centre back? Keeper?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:14 pm

Olly wrote:Larrivey not signing now - was actually at carrow road and passed a medical on Friday, but we've pulled out at the last minute. Suggests to me we've another iron in the fire...

Jelavic.

Yuck

by NickisBHAFC Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:05 pm

Hopefully Sterling can do well at City, he's English and decent all the best to him. He's also joined a big team.

Liverpool to waste the money then?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:13 pm

Norwich only sign poor strikers.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:37 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Norwich only sign poor strikers.

Dean Ashton is offended greatly

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:06 pm

Oh what could have been. Have you signed anyone good since?

Downing is getting a 5 year deal at Boro on the same wages he's on at our place with no subsidising from us. He's 31 in 10 days and on at least 60k, probably more.

by Guest Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:08 pm

QPR getting 20% of that £49m, bet they're happy tonight.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:12 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Oh what could have been. Have you signed anyone good since?

Downing is getting a 5 year deal at Boro on the same wages he's on at our place with no subsidising from us. He's 31 in 10 days and on at least 60k, probably more.

Holt is pretty much the only one who did well over a long period of time

Mirror reporting we're interested in Dwight Gayle. Now that's one I'd be a fan of, think he's a lovely player

by **Hero** Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:40 pm

Seeing a fair few reports that Schneiderlin had his medical tonight at Carrington straight after Schweinsteiger and will be on the plane tomorrow to the U.S. as a Utd player.

by **Hero** Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:47 pm

by Hammersmith harrier Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:53 pm

I do not believe Schneiderlin could possibly have turned up for a medical without getting snapped, would be happy if it's true but can't see it, without Schweinsteiger I wouldn't have been overly happy with him to be fair.

by **Hero** Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:02 pm

Well they did create the medical centre within Carrington so that they could do them without the press interfering.

Though I have seen leaked pics of the samples taken from Schneiderlin, literally taking the pîss.

by **Hero** Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:04 pm

Boom!

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33502604

by Hammersmith harrier Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:05 pm

Ok it's now being reported by the BBC, pretty much the most reliable source there is.

by Lowlandbrit Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:06 pm

Plenty of talk about Clasie today, so that would make sense.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:27 pm

Very good few days for Manchester United. Their midfield is finally better than ours!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:20 am

Utd have made a very strong start to the window - a striker to replace RVP/Falcao is desperately needed and should be next on the shopping list.

Also need a resolution to the De Gea saga - whether that be him staying or going.

by Azzy Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:45 am

Looks like being a good week for United fans - Depay begins training, Darmian confirmed, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin signing today/tomorrow, Ramos still in the pipeline and RVP leaving. If they keep de Gea, regardless of Ramos, I think it's a 3-way race for the title.

Conversely, what a poor week for City fans. All major transfer links gone quiet apart from the atrocious £49m signing of the World's Most Spoilt Footballer^TM. No defence, shoddy midfield, astonishing attack. They've been done a kipper by Arsenal and United this summer.

by **Hero** Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:49 am

Chelsea are the ones that I'm waiting to see how they act. All been very quiet from them and I could see them going big when they do strike.

by MIG Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:56 am

So who plays in the midfield and attacking trios for Utd now?

Assuming its like this, who would you guys pick?

3 of Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini

3 of Rooney, Depay, Mata, Di Maria, Young

by **seanmichaels** Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:12 am

Depends whether it is 3 / 4 at the back.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:42 am

Actually looking at the deal, Liverpool haven't done that great. Basically it's 20% of £44m, so Liverpool are getting about £35m up front & then will no doubt just put £30m of it on benteke, who isn't world class at all. Although sterling isn't that great yet, he has the potential & they've got him for the next 10 years so, I'm actually siding with City having got the better side of the draw.

United have done well, think they know bastian is still a ? in terms of playing week in week out & the no winter break will be a shock for him, so having Morgan signed is very good long term option. Still not convinced on the defence, even if Ramos is signed. Also, if Rooney gets injured, still don't see the goal threat on a regular basis, they need another striker. Plus, it's inevitable de gea is leaving now iker has left.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:44 am

Hererra and schneiderlin with carrick and schweinsteiger being rotated to keep both fresh

Not really fussed about Fellaini tbh, he proved last season he was best further up behind the striker and i hated watching United play that brand of football of hoofing up to him

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:49 am

LiamB wrote:Actually looking at the deal, Liverpool haven't done that great. Basically it's 20% of £44m, so Liverpool are getting about £35m up front & then will no doubt just put £30m of it on benteke, who isn't world class at all. Although sterling isn't that great yet, he has the potential & they've got him for the next 10 years so, I'm actually siding with City having got the better side of the draw.

United have done well, think they know bastian is still a ? in terms of playing week in week out & the no winter break will be a shock for him, so having Morgan signed is very good long term option. Still not convinced on the defence, even if Ramos is signed. Also, if Rooney gets injured, still don't see the goal threat on a regular basis, they need another striker. Plus, it's inevitable de gea is leaving now iker has left.

Its for £49mill

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:53 am

That my ? The deal is £44m + adds on over the next few years, so surely it's 20% of £44m. If that's the case, Liverpool would only get £35m up front now, as QPR would take about £8m+ or so.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:03 am

LiamB wrote:That my ? The deal is £44m + adds on over the next few years, so surely it's 20% of £44m. If that's the case, Liverpool would only get £35m up front now, as QPR would take about £8m+ or so.

No....its for £49mill

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9911037/raheem-sterling-set-for-manchester-city-medical-sky-sources

Raheem Sterling is expected to have his Manchester City medical today after a £49m fee was agreed

Whereas

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9893697/liverpool-sign-roberto-firmino-from-hoffenheim

Liverpool will pay £21.3m now, but the fee could eventually rise to £28m

In the article, they would have said £44mill raising to £49mill

by **Hero** Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:21 am

How much cash do you think Liverpool still have to spend this summer?
Were the purchases already made eating into the Sterling sale, pre-empting the inevitable? Or will they have another £50 now to spend?
For me in Firmino they've already got a better replacement for half the price.

by MIG Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:41 pm

I couldn't put a figure on their budget but I would guess the Firmino money almost definitely came out of the potential Sterling pot.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:23 pm

From the BBC

Manchester City will pay Liverpool a fee of £44m, plus up to £5m in add-ons over the course of the deal, but these are not guaranteed.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:36 pm

I've read £44m plus £5m as well. QPR are getting about £9m.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:43 pm

Destro talk gathering further momentum. And now Gervinho linked for a loan. I'd be overchuffed with both.

by Azzy Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:16 pm

United should sell Carrick back to Spurs for £10m while they still can.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:26 pm

£10m means nothing to United. If anything they haven't actually signed a long term replacement for Carrick. Bastian is probably a two/three season man, who might not even succeed & Schneiderlin is more of a break up play protector, rather than a creative offensive passer like Carrick.

I'd stay well clear of Gervinho, proven he's incapable in this league, he needs space & ageing defenders to make him look good, like Serie A provided him with. Destro is a talent, but again, question marks over his desire & attitude.

by Azzy Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:30 pm

United don't need a replacement for Carrick. Schneiderlin sits ahead of the defence and breaks up play, Schweinsteiger creates opportunities, and Herrera is the box to box man. With Mata and Depay joining Schweinsteiger, they have no need for Carrick to be sat 90 yards from goal passing sideways to Darmian and Rojo.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:37 pm

so you'd sell carrick, who's the best passer at the club & instead play schneiderlin (who let's not forget has come from soton & might not make the step up, like the liverpool signings) & schweinsteiger, who has no experience in this league & has just come off quite a injury hampered season & who will find the no winter break quite a shock to the system. madness.

by wheelchair1991 Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:44 pm

Liam do you rate any players that another club signs?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:46 pm

I rated Gervinho at Arsenal, thought he was underutilised and scapegoated due to looks and style. I remember him absolutely tearing up West Brom towards the end of his spell.

Also, Carrick is probably still a better player than both those new signings

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:50 pm

United also need a quality squad. He's a better centre back than some of theirs when its a game against a bottom 10 side as well. If only the 5 in midfield vogue had come in earlier we'd never have had the Gerrard/Lampard conundrum cos Carrick would have made that midfield tick

by GSC Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:55 pm

You just signed him for 25m for a reason.

by Azzy Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:09 pm

LiamB wrote:so you'd sell carrick, who's the best passer at the club & instead play schneiderlin (who let's not forget has come from soton & might not make the step up, like the liverpool signings) & schweinsteiger, who has no experience in this league & has just come off quite a injury hampered season & who will find the no winter break quite a shock to the system. madness.

Carrick wasn't the best passer at the club anyway.

Schneiderlin is the natural Makelele in that side, with Schwein ticking the game over and Herrera doing the leg work. It's been well documented that Schwein's style doesn't fit alongside Alonso at Bayern, and Carrick is a destitute man's Alonso. Schneiderlin-Schwein-Herrera is what we'll see next season for most games. And it's why United should sell Carrick, while he has some value and teams are desperate to sign him. £10m might not be much, but when you've shelled out £80, FFP needs to be considered.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:13 pm

wheelchair1991 wrote:Liam do you rate any players that another club signs?

Yes, I do rate players that other teams sign, Cech & Wijnaldum for example are great buys. I just don't get carried away or cream my pants over signings, whereby there are clear ?, especially the fact Schneiderlin is hardly world class & might struggle to make the step up from Southampton, like many others have done so since leaving the south coast.

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Also, Carrick is probably still a better player than both those new signings

Thankyou, DZ. Carrick is a better & proven player in this league, over these two new signings. I think Bastian will struggle & that's my opinion, I'm allowed it & judging that on the fact he is in decline & is now stepping up to a more demanding & more physical league.

@Azzy, you're saying Carrick was not the best passer at the club? picard

by BamBam Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:15 pm

FFP is going to be dismantled soon enough anyway

by Ent Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:25 pm

These deals look to me like they are worried about Carricks fitness.

Reckon the 3 of them will be rotated in 2 spots in midfield.

by MIG Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:26 pm

@LiamB
You think Schweinsteiger will struggle as he has no experience in this league even though he's been playing in the German league which is most likened to the PL and has proved himself time and again at international level aswell? Yet you think Wijnaldum will do well even though he is coming from the dutch league?
@Azzy why would United want to sell Carrick? Even if they play the 3 newer signings they need strength in depth. They will be selling other less needed players anyway as well as van Persie for starters.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:44 pm

LiamB wrote:From the BBC

Manchester City will pay Liverpool a fee of £44m, plus up to £5m in add-ons over the course of the deal, but these are not guaranteed.

Link?

by Liam Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:47 pm

I don't really understand where this Schweinstiger will struggle to adapt to the prem. The guy is a machine, the German captain and was named in the team of the year at the world cup. The guy is only 30, which is nothing really. It'll be a god send for Carrick as he can finally be used as Scholes was towards the end of his career, as someone to come on in the last 20-25 mins and sit deep and keep possession.

It'll be:

Schneiderlin
Herrera Schweinstiger

I'm over the moon with the signings so far. Would prefer otamendi over ramos who is cheaper and I think just as good, whilst being more of a vidic type defender which is what we lack. As for a striker, its a tough one. Whoever we sign will no doubt be a no.2, and with depay also being able to play st and rumblings januzaj is being converted into forward, im not sure whether we'll fork out 30m for someone to be no.2. I think personally we should go for someone who offers more of a physical presence, so possibly benteke but his price is ridiculous.

by Azzy Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:01 pm

LiamB wrote:@Azzy, you're saying Carrick was not the best passer at the club?

Rooney and Mata, both better. They do it in the important part of the pitch too.

I'm saying United should sell Carrick while he still has some value. Rather than let him age, spend all his time on the treatment table and fade into obscurity. Let another team take the risk and use the money on a new striker.

by Liam Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:16 pm

Azzy wrote:
LiamB wrote:@Azzy, you're saying Carrick was not the best passer at the club?
Rooney and Mata, both better. They do it in the important part of the pitch too.

I'm saying United should sell Carrick while he still has some value. Rather than let him age, spend all his time on the treatment table and fade into obscurity. Let another team take the risk and use the money on a new striker.

1) Carrick was hands down the best passer at the club. He was an integral part to our side because of his passing. Look at our win % when he played and when he didn't. Rooney (not a great passer contrary to belief) and Mata are different players to Carrick. Every successful team has someone in midfield who can dicatate possession which in without, would not give Mata and others as much opportunity to provide assists.

2) Why sell arguably our best player last year aside from De Gea? He's still an integral part of the team but the burden on his can be eased with the signings we've made and he can now be used as Scholes and Giggs were at the back end of their careers.

3) Man Utd don't need money. We still have over 150m to spend still this transfer window, make the most money out of all PL sides and rank often top of all world clubs for money made, as evidenced in the low fee's RVP and Nani have gone for.

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by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Exactly Liam - Carrick is the best passer at the club as I said, it's been in his DNA his whole life. Rooney just come deep & does that long cross field pass, that works 2 out of 5 times & people cream their pants for some reason. I'm also sure Ent has been on here stating Mata's passing over the top last season was just awful, reason he was switched from the 10 role, to playing out wide on the right of a three.

by Liam Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:27 pm

Herrera is a much better passed also than Mata and Rooney. Rooney needs to be played now where he had his best season, around 09/10 and play almost as a poacher. With the midfield we now have, he should be the leading man and hopefully he can get back to scoring 15+.

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