Gwent Dragons 2015/16 thread

[PhilBB]

First topic message reminder :

I don't need to address anything, I am one fan with an opinion the same as you and any other fan.

Sure, but here I am trying to understand your opinion yet, sadly, you won't address a key element of it.

Previously you wrote: "Only sad, narrow minded parochial people stuck in the amateur era mindset would see gwent as something in direct competition to newport." so I wrote a detailed, honest and clear answer as to why that insult is misplaced.

It's misplaced because one club is carrying all of the risk but with only 50% ownership.

Do you think it fair that one club carries all of the financial risk, without total ownership, for a "Gwent" team? Sure, you don't need to address the question but, in all fairness, it will speak volumes if you don't address it.

[wayne]

You really have to laugh at some of this drivel, to think I've been accused of giving SNIDE remarks about the Dregs on numerous occasions by a number on here and one in particular, all this talk just because one normally uselessly informed tweeter, said it was a rumour and the usual suspects take it as gospel.
IF it is true, which I very much doubt, who can blame the lads (Morgan and Amos) as has been shown on numerous occasions in the past, they will only get better if they join THE ONE TRUE REGION.

Who's gone to Ospreys and improved? I don't recall. By the way the supposed reason that Lydiate went to you was to 'win trophies' - going really well so far! Stop attention seeking, your turd isn't wanted or needed in here and it's already bad enough with Dai and Phil bonehead.

Your mask is slipping lad, keep calm or you'll truly expose yourself.

Yawn. Care to name these players btw? Phil was wrong on Dan Evans, but at least he tried.

Been dreaming again then boy, Phil was right, as both you (in your former existence) and SNIDEY, said at the time he left you to join us, that he had been dropped out of your team, and now he is playing for an obviously so much better team, so among so many others he has improved.

[PhilBB]

Been dreaming again then boy, Phil was right, as both you (in your former existence) and SNIDEY, said at the time he left you to join us, that he had been dropped out of your team, and now he is playing for an obviously so much better team, so among so many others he has improved.

What's his 'former existence'?

[wayne]

Been dreaming again then boy, Phil was right, as both you (in your former existence) and SNIDEY, said at the time he left you to join us, that he had been dropped out of your team, and now he is playing for an obviously so much better team, so among so many others he has improved.

What's his 'former existence'?

PHIL he was asked this a couple of weeks ago and he came up with a name I've never heard of on this or 606v1, he was banned on here and came back on practically a month to the day with this name, the only difference is this one looks as though he's been on an ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE, but the mask is slipping.
Let's just see if he comes out with the correct answer this time.

[Stone Motif]

You really have to laugh at some of this drivel, to think I've been accused of giving SNIDE remarks about the Dregs on numerous occasions by a number on here and one in particular, all this talk just because one normally uselessly informed tweeter, said it was a rumour and the usual suspects take it as gospel.
IF it is true, which I very much doubt, who can blame the lads (Morgan and Amos) as has been shown on numerous occasions in the past, they will only get better if they join THE ONE TRUE REGION.

Who's gone to Ospreys and improved? I don't recall. By the way the supposed reason that Lydiate went to you was to 'win trophies' - going really well so far! Stop attention seeking, your turd isn't wanted or needed in here and it's already bad enough with Dai and Phil bonehead.

Your mask is slipping lad, keep calm or you'll truly expose yourself.

Yawn. Care to name these players btw? Phil was wrong on Dan Evans, but at least he tried.

Been dreaming again then boy, Phil was right, as both you (in your former existence) and SNIDEY, said at the time he left you to join us, that he had been dropped out of your team, and now he is playing for an obviously so much better team, so among so many others he has improved.

I'd expect this kind of fanboy horsesh6t from a twelve year old, but even from you this embarrassing Wayne.

[mikey_dragon]

He improved, with us.

Right, I see.

He lost his place in the Scarlets team. He became more of a regular starter with us, thus improvement. His problem was consistency, and still is. Not sure why you're posting stats? As good as they are only an idiot would use stats in an attempt to prove his pseudo fact.

[mikey_dragon]

You really have to laugh at some of this drivel, to think I've been accused of giving SNIDE remarks about the Dregs on numerous occasions by a number on here and one in particular, all this talk just because one normally uselessly informed tweeter, said it was a rumour and the usual suspects take it as gospel.
IF it is true, which I very much doubt, who can blame the lads (Morgan and Amos) as has been shown on numerous occasions in the past, they will only get better if they join THE ONE TRUE REGION.

Who's gone to Ospreys and improved? I don't recall. By the way the supposed reason that Lydiate went to you was to 'win trophies' - going really well so far! Stop attention seeking, your turd isn't wanted or needed in here and it's already bad enough with Dai and Phil bonehead.

Your mask is slipping lad, keep calm or you'll truly expose yourself.

Yawn. Care to name these players btw? Phil was wrong on Dan Evans, but at least he tried.

Been dreaming again then boy, Phil was right, as both you (in your former existence) and SNIDEY, said at the time he left you to join us, that he had been dropped out of your team, and now he is playing for an obviously so much better team, so among so many others he has improved.

He had fallen out of favour, yes. Like I said his problem was a lack of consistency. I remember the calls on here (by Ospreys fans surprise surprise) for him to be thrust into the Wales team, then he had that shocker game against Northampton . He was on the same level then as he is now, and a good club player is what he is.

BTW you said that there were a number of examples in the past, and I assumed you were talking about our players. So you still haven't cleared this up. Unless of course in that bollox, attention seeking post you were telling lies, and nobody likes a LIAR now do they wayne?

[PhilBB]

He lost his place in the Scarlets team. He became more of a regular starter with us, thus improvement. His problem was consistency, and still is. Not sure why you're posting stats? As good as they are only an idiot would use stats in an attempt to prove his pseudo fact.

My link proved that he has successfully performed at a higher level than he ever did for the NGD, which would obviously suggest an improvement in his play

[PhilBB]

BTW you said that there were a number of examples in the past, and I assumed you were talking about our players. So you still haven't cleared this up. Unless of course in that bollox, attention seeking post you were telling lies, and nobody likes a LIAR now do they wayne?

Isn't it a bit much to ask of others what you fail to do yourself?

[mikey_dragon]

BTW you said that there were a number of examples in the past, and I assumed you were talking about our players. So you still haven't cleared this up. Unless of course in that bollox, attention seeking post you were telling lies, and nobody likes a LIAR now do they wayne?

Isn't it a bit much to ask of others what you fail to do yourself?

You disagree with my posts and then keep asking. I've no wish to engage with you for the time being. Stop derailing this thread with your latest fanboy.

[PhilBB]

BTW you said that there were a number of examples in the past, and I assumed you were talking about our players. So you still haven't cleared this up. Unless of course in that bollox, attention seeking post you were telling lies, and nobody likes a LIAR now do they wayne?

Isn't it a bit much to ask of others what you fail to do yourself?

You disagree with my posts and then keep asking. I've no wish to engage with you for the time being. Stop derailing this thread with your latest fanboy.

Maybe the other chap has no wish to engage with your double standards and cowardly behaviour?

Let's put it all behind us by you just practising what you preach, shall we?

[mikey_dragon]

BTW you said that there were a number of examples in the past, and I assumed you were talking about our players. So you still haven't cleared this up. Unless of course in that bollox, attention seeking post you were telling lies, and nobody likes a LIAR now do they wayne?

Isn't it a bit much to ask of others what you fail to do yourself?

You disagree with my posts and then keep asking. I've no wish to engage with you for the time being. Stop derailing this thread with your latest fanboy.

Maybe the other chap has no wish to engage with your double standards and cowardly behaviour?

Let's put it all behind us by you just practising what you preach, shall we?

If we were in the same room then I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be saying this, so why do it on here? The sooner you take this sh*t back to your timewarp fan club on twitter and stop derailing our thread, the better.

[PhilBB]

If we were in the same room then I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be saying this, so why do it on here? The sooner you take this sh*t back to your timewarp fan club on twitter and stop derailing our thread, the better.

Sure I'd say it, or is that some form of attempted macho veiled threat?

You're keen to insult but slow to justify and that's a shame. It, plus that stupid question, makes you appear to be a little short up top and I'm sure that's an unfair picture you're painting of yourself.

So why not put all this snide, silly, schoolyard behaviour aside and actually write about (and explain) your rugby opinions? It's what we're all here for, after all.

Come on, now, up your game.

[Stone Motif]

So who are these legion of ex-Dragons who have gone on to international stardom at that Utopia of European rugby that is the One True Swansea?

[ScarletSpiderman]

He improved, with us.

Right, I see.

He lost his place in the Scarlets team. He became more of a regular starter with us, thus improvement. His problem was consistency, and still is. Not sure why you're posting stats? As good as they are only an idiot would use stats in an attempt to prove his pseudo fact.

He got capped when he was at the Scarlets, and was a first choice player for the region. He then had a falling out with Nigel Davies, over a personal matter, and was dropped. At the Dragons they tried to play him at fly-half (admittedly he did want to play there) and he was woeful, before being put back at fullback, where he started to show signs of a return to his previous level. So not too sure it was an improvement as such.

[mikey_dragon]

If we were in the same room then I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be saying this, so why do it on here? The sooner you take this sh*t back to your timewarp fan club on twitter and stop derailing our thread, the better.

Sure I'd say it, or is that some form of attempted macho veiled threat?

You're keen to insult but slow to justify and that's a shame. It, plus that stupid question, makes you appear to be a little short up top and I'm sure that's an unfair picture you're painting of yourself.

So why not put all this snide, silly, schoolyard behaviour aside and actually write about (and explain) your rugby opinions? It's what we're all here for, after all.

Come on, now, up your game.

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

[mikey_dragon]

He improved, with us.

Right, I see.

He lost his place in the Scarlets team. He became more of a regular starter with us, thus improvement. His problem was consistency, and still is. Not sure why you're posting stats? As good as they are only an idiot would use stats in an attempt to prove his pseudo fact.

He got capped when he was at the Scarlets, and was a first choice player for the region.  He then had a falling out with Nigel Davies, over a personal matter, and was dropped.  At the Dragons they tried to play him at fly-half (admittedly he did want to play there) and he was woeful, before being put back at fullback, where he started to show signs of a return to his previous level.  So not too sure it was an improvement as such.

Didn't know that, I just remember that he was dropped for a good while. I'm not sure that he requested to play 10? I remember we needed cover there and he was decent on most occasions but full back was his primary role. Maybe not an improvement but he's pretty much stayed at the same level throughout his career.

Ps who was coach when he got capped, was it not the same coach who capped Gavin Evans?

[ScarletSpiderman]

It was the tour of North America when Gats was with the Lions in 09, I believe it was McBryde, Holley and Dai Yoing.

[PhilBB]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

[PhilBB]

It was the tour of North America when Gats was with the Lions in 09, I believe it was McBryde, Holley and Dai Yoing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/8042686.stm

http://www.wru.co.uk/eng/news/16011.php#.Vrh9rzZiyhQ

Not sure Young was involved.

[mikey_dragon]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved. That hasn't been justified either, even if you believe Dan Evans to be just ONE example. It's my opinion that he is on the same level and still just a decent club player that can lack consistency, and I think the stats are pretty useless. I'm also entitled to give an opinion right? I think you get a bit upset when people disagree with you. Odd.

Your last statement, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[wayne]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved.

That is your problem Saint, why would you assume that I was talking only about Dragons players joining the Ospreys, when there are so few that we've taken from your Region, what would it be Dan Evans, Ian Gough and Richard Fussell is there many others? No I was talking about many players from different clubs, for your information 2 of the above materially improved since joining us IMO, and the third enjoyed far more success with us than with the Dragons and also furthered his education with WRU Coaching badges which he is now using in some backwater area.

[wayne]

BTW you said that there were a number of examples in the past, and I assumed you were talking about our players. So you still haven't cleared this up. Unless of course in that bollox, attention seeking post you were telling lies, and nobody likes a LIAR now do they wayne?

Isn't it a bit much to ask of others what you fail to do yourself?

You disagree with my posts and then keep asking. I've no wish to engage with you for the time being. Stop derailing this thread with your latest fanboy.

His latest fanboy, you haven't the intelligence to see that I brought this up and Phil joined in, I don't need anybody to help me defeat you in an argument Saint

[mikey_dragon]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved.

That is your problem Saint, why would you assume that I was talking only about Dragons players joining the Ospreys, when there are so few that we've taken from your Region, what would it be Dan Evans, Ian Gough and Richard Fussell is there many others? No I was talking about many players from different clubs, for your information 2 of the above materially improved since joining us IMO, and the third enjoyed far more success with us than with the Dragons and also furthered his education with WRU Coaching badges which he is now using in some backwater area.

Because you're commenting on a Dragons thread? You came in with a nasty and unnecessary post and I couldn't understand why, therefore assumed you were attention seeking. I'm not sure why you think Gough improved? The only reason Ospreys wanted him was to gain another capped international on their books. He was already a Wales regular, so again I'm not sure where you think he improved? Richard Fussell dear god. He was a limited player with us and nothing changed when he joined you, in fact I often thought he was the worst player on the pitch in all his games for Ospreys. When I read Ospreys fans saying that he should be capped for Wales I had to slap myself to see if I was dreaming - it just goes show how delusional you fan boys really are .

[wayne]

So who are these legion of ex-Dragons who have gone on to international stardom at that Utopia of European rugby that is the One True Swansea?

You are really quite thick, where did I say they were ex Dragons, as we've TAKEN so very few of your players, we have far higher standards than your little club, just for my information how many Ospreys have your lot TAKEN from us, please don't include Aled (can't catch a ball) Brew in that list, as we wanted shot of him.

[wayne]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved.

That is your problem Saint, why would you assume that I was talking only about Dragons players joining the Ospreys, when there are so few that we've taken from your Region, what would it be Dan Evans, Ian Gough and Richard Fussell is there many others? No I was talking about many players from different clubs, for your information 2 of the above materially improved since joining us IMO, and the third enjoyed far more success with us than with the Dragons and also furthered his education with WRU Coaching badges which he is now using in some backwater area.

Because you're commenting on a Dragons thread? You came in with a nasty and unnecessary post and I couldn't understand why, therefore assumed you were attention seeking. I'm not sure why you think Gough improved? The only reason Ospreys wanted him was to gain another capped international on their books. He was already a Wales regular, so again I'm not sure where you think he improved? Richard Fussell dear god. He was a limited player with us and nothing changed when he joined you, in fact I often thought he was the worst player on the pitch in all his games for Ospreys. When I read Ospreys fans saying that he should be capped for Wales I had to slap myself to see if I was dreaming - it just goes show how delusional you fan boys really are .

You really are thick, can you read and comprehend English, Gough was the one who enjoyed more success (tell me what trophies he won with the Dregs) and got his coaching badges through us. You got pulled up the other day by saying ALL Ospreys supporters, and when shown up you used the pathetic excuse that you frequent other forums, it still doesn't make ALL.
Fussell was never International class and I've never said he was, but considering he made himself into an adequate stopgap for us in 2 positions he definitely improved, and this is just sour grapes because we TOOK him and the other 2 from you.

[wayne]

Let me just say, to the number of reasonable Dragons supporters on here, and there are a good number you don't need or deserve this pair, unless you are playing us I ALWAYS want you to win, at least you tried to embrace Regional Rugby, you were handicapped as we were in my area, because of the likes of Russell and Samuel, I GENUINELY only want the best for Newport Gwent Dragons

[mikey_dragon]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved.

That is your problem Saint, why would you assume that I was talking only about Dragons players joining the Ospreys, when there are so few that we've taken from your Region, what would it be Dan Evans, Ian Gough and Richard Fussell is there many others? No I was talking about many players from different clubs, for your information 2 of the above materially improved since joining us IMO, and the third enjoyed far more success with us than with the Dragons and also furthered his education with WRU Coaching badges which he is now using in some backwater area.

Because you're commenting on a Dragons thread? You came in with a nasty and unnecessary post and I couldn't understand why, therefore assumed you were attention seeking. I'm not sure why you think Gough improved? The only reason Ospreys wanted him was to gain another capped international on their books. He was already a Wales regular, so again I'm not sure where you think he improved? Richard Fussell dear god. He was a limited player with us and nothing changed when he joined you, in fact I often thought he was the worst player on the pitch in all his games for Ospreys. When I read Ospreys fans saying that he should be capped for Wales I had to slap myself to see if I was dreaming - it just goes show how delusional you fan boys really are .

You really are thick, can you read and comprehend English, Gough was the one who enjoyed more success (tell me what trophies he won with the Dregs) and got his coaching badges through us. You got pulled up the other day by saying ALL Ospreys supporters, and when shown up you used the pathetic excuse that you frequent other forums, it still doesn't make ALL.
Fussell was never International class and I've never said he was, but considering he made himself into an adequate stopgap for us in 2 positions he definitely improved, and this is just sour grapes because we TOOK him and the other 2 from you.

I can assure you I'm not and I can read, you angry little pip squeak. Oh wow, I really said the word ALL? Jeez, you got me well snared there. If at the time I did say that then I was intending to wind someone up. I guess it's worked wonders for you to still be frothing at the mouth over it weeks later .
Well done to Goughy on helping you win those trophies, but I don't see how that means he improved as a player? He just went to a better team, and actually slipped down the Wales pecking order at the time of the move... I would have liked to have kept hold of him, but you were most welcome to the other 2. I also wouldn't have minded Lydiate back but it's not something I lose sleep over, which is unfortunate for you because you're running out of ammo.

[wayne]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved.

That is your problem Saint, why would you assume that I was talking only about Dragons players joining the Ospreys, when there are so few that we've taken from your Region, what would it be Dan Evans, Ian Gough and Richard Fussell is there many others? No I was talking about many players from different clubs, for your information 2 of the above materially improved since joining us IMO, and the third enjoyed far more success with us than with the Dragons and also furthered his education with WRU Coaching badges which he is now using in some backwater area.

Because you're commenting on a Dragons thread? You came in with a nasty and unnecessary post and I couldn't understand why, therefore assumed you were attention seeking. I'm not sure why you think Gough improved? The only reason Ospreys wanted him was to gain another capped international on their books. He was already a Wales regular, so again I'm not sure where you think he improved? Richard Fussell dear god. He was a limited player with us and nothing changed when he joined you, in fact I often thought he was the worst player on the pitch in all his games for Ospreys. When I read Ospreys fans saying that he should be capped for Wales I had to slap myself to see if I was dreaming - it just goes show how delusional you fan boys really are .

You really are thick, can you read and comprehend English, Gough was the one who enjoyed more success (tell me what trophies he won with the Dregs) and got his coaching badges through us. You got pulled up the other day by saying ALL Ospreys supporters, and when shown up you used the pathetic excuse that you frequent other forums, it still doesn't make ALL.
Fussell was never International class and I've never said he was, but considering he made himself into an adequate stopgap for us in 2 positions he definitely improved, and this is just sour grapes because we TOOK him and the other 2 from you.

I can assure you I'm not and I can read, you angry little pip squeak. Oh wow, I really said the word ALL? Jeez, you got me well snared there. If at the time I did say that then I was intending to wind someone up. I guess it's worked wonders for you to still be frothing at the mouth over it weeks later .
Well done to Goughy on helping you win those trophies, but I don't see how that means he improved as a player? He just went to a better team, and actually slipped down the Wales pecking order at the time of the move... I would have liked to have kept hold of him, but you were most welcome to the other 2. I also wouldn't have minded Lydiate back but it's not something I lose sleep over, which is unfortunate for you because you're running out of ammo.

I've already told you, Gough WASN'T the one that I said improved, that was Fussell and Evans, so YES you are thick, Gough improved his success rate, (that wasn't hard as he had won SFA with you lot), he improved his coaching credentials which were non existent until he joined us, Lydiate made the point how he needed to become a better player and not be a one trick pony as he was with you, I purposely left him out as there was a team in between us 2, but yet again as he admitted in an interview with the Ospreys Supporters Club, he has more strings to his bow, especially carrying and lineout work.
What ammo am I running out of? I haven't named any of the players I was referring to in my opening point, because of your ineptitude in reading skills (assuming).
As for me frothing at the mouth, don't flatter yourself, I have a very good memory as I showed in our Private Message discussion when you had to APOLOGISE.

[PhilBB]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved. That hasn't been justified either, even if you believe Dan Evans to be just ONE example. It's my opinion that he is on the same level and still just a decent club player that can lack consistency, and I think the stats are pretty useless. I'm also entitled to give an opinion right? I think you get a bit upset when people disagree with you. Odd.

Your last statement, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Sorry, what's a bit like me?

Let's discuss Dan Evans. What kind of logic dictates that he hasn't improved if he is now an assured performer at a higher level? I've no problem with you disagreeing with me, but what's odd is you not giving a reason but just a flat answer.

"It's my opinion and so it is. That's it. Because I say so" is the debating level of a 5 year old taking his ball home with him. I'd hoped for more from you, more including discussing other opinions and their bases.

Are you up for that? It seems not. I wonder as to why.

[PhilBB]

when you had to APOLOGISE.

Oh, so that capability does exist.

Excellent.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Let's discuss Dan Evans. What kind of logic dictates that he hasn't improved if he is now an assured performer at a higher level?

In fairness, Dan Evans was as consistently good for us as he's been for the Ospreys, so I'm not sure it's clear he's improved.

[PhilBB]

Let's discuss Dan Evans. What kind of logic dictates that he hasn't improved if he is now an assured performer at a higher level?

In fairness, Dan Evans was as consistently good for us as he's been for the Ospreys, so I'm not sure it's clear he's improved.

Well, for a starting point, can we agree that he is now performing at a higher level than he managed for the NGD?

[Luckless Pedestrian]

No. He was great for us, too. He's doing it in the Champions Cup, if that's what you mean.

[PhilBB]

No. He was great for us, too. He's doing it in the Champions Cup, if that's what you mean.

Which is, by definition, a higher level than he achieved with the NGD

[Luckless Pedestrian]

Yes.

[GavinDragon]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved.

That is your problem Saint, why would you assume that I was talking only about Dragons players joining the Ospreys, when there are so few that we've taken from your Region, what would it be Dan Evans, Ian Gough and Richard Fussell is there many others? No I was talking about many players from different clubs, for your information 2 of the above materially improved since joining us IMO, and the third enjoyed far more success with us than with the Dragons and also furthered his education with WRU Coaching badges which he is now using in some backwater area.

Sam Parry
Joe Bearman

[PhilBB]

There's something of the old jibe of 'Cardiff talentectomy' about all of this. A player shining amongst poor players at a lesser team moves to the bigger team where he is no longer the big fish in the pond. Therefore, he's not noticed as much. Therefore, people think that the player hasn't improved.

It's an odd logic.

[wayne]

A threat? Far from it and you won't find any of that in my posting history. Just saying how it is.

I have done, several times. I got bored of your generic response (which I clearly pointed out), so I no longer wish to engage with you. You're boring as well btw.

Not 'saying how it is' but how you think it is. The two, as your posting history also proves, are often detached.

You've not justified much at all, if anything. You've not addressed how Evans performing at a higher level than he ever did with the NGD is clearly an improvement in his play.

I can see why you'd run from anybody who unpicks your flimsy and baseless opinions, but try not to be so transparent about it.

A bit like you then?

I replied to a post which stated that a number of individuals had gone (assuming from the Dragons) to the Ospreys and improved.

That is your problem Saint, why would you assume that I was talking only about Dragons players joining the Ospreys, when there are so few that we've taken from your Region, what would it be Dan Evans, Ian Gough and Richard Fussell is there many others? No I was talking about many players from different clubs, for your information 2 of the above materially improved since joining us IMO, and the third enjoyed far more success with us than with the Dragons and also furthered his education with WRU Coaching badges which he is now using in some backwater area.

Sam Parry
Joe Bearman

Yes thanks for that Gavin, Joe has taken a lot of stick on our own forum and many considered him well past his sell by date, but I think he has been a good signing overall, has he improved I very much doubt it, yet considering he was past his 30th birthday when he joined us, I would not expect him to have done, as for Sam, his scrummaging and loose play has definitely improved from when he first joined us, as for his throwing in to the lineout it is and always has been since he joined us very poor, and as I've said on here a number of times I would have Scott Otten before him now and for a few months past, considering why we signed him (replacement for Hibbard and the precarious position of our finances) he has been a reasonable acquisition, but basically a punt that hasn't worked out, he's not RCC standard and probably not good enough for matches against the top 6 or so clubs in the Guinness League, thanks again Gavin for the reasonable input.

[Guest]

Tom Isaacs.

[Luckless Pedestrian]

There's something of the old jibe of 'Cardiff talentectomy' about all of this. A player shining amongst poor players at a lesser team moves to the bigger team where he is no longer the big fish in the pond. Therefore, he's not noticed as much. Therefore, people think that the player hasn't improved.

It's an odd logic.

Isn't it possible that he's playing no better or worse than before?

[Guest]

Just for fun, and because I think it's all getting a bit too serious here (plus, something that isn't really easily measured. Personal opinion is about the best measure we've got here unfortunately), here's some players who've been improved by the Dragons since leaving the Ospreys:

Aled Brew
Tom Prydie

[PhilBB]

Isn't it possible that he's playing no better or worse than before?

Sure, it's possible, but what would temper that is that he is now proving it at a higher level.

Let's remember that he was ousted from the NGD because Lyn Jones told him that Byrne and Amos (ha!) would be his full backs. So it's clear that he's gone from an outcast at the worst pro team in Wales to shining for the best at a higher level than he ever performed at for the NGD.

Doesn't that lean toward an improvement in his play?

[Guest]

Can I add weight to the Dan Evans argument too: he was bloody good for the Dragons, in my opinion. Don't have his metres gained stats to hand but he was consistently the top of the stats for metres gained and players beaten when playing for us. Scored a load of tries too. I was very sad to see him go.

To shine as a back in a rubbish team, one with little or no platform, not a great team for backs to show their skills, shows how good he was for us. Must be easy for him at the O's with that platform

[Luckless Pedestrian]

He was 'shining' for the Dragons, too.

I'm not trying to score points here, I just don't think you can say a player who has moved from one club to a better one must be playing better than he ever has before, purely because he's moved clubs.

[Guest]

Isn't it possible that he's playing no better or worse than before?

Sure, it's possible, but what would temper that is that he is now proving it at a higher level.

Let's remember that he was ousted from the NGD because Lyn Jones told him that Byrne and Amos (ha!) would be his full backs. So it's clear that he's gone from an outcast at the worst pro team in Wales to shining for the best at a higher level than he ever performed at for the NGD.

Doesn't that lean toward an improvement in his play?

Or an improvement in the platform that creates the space for him. Having the likes of Biggar putting him in space vs Tovey or Angus O'Brien. Having world class forwards freeing you up to concentrate on your running game rather than digging around in rucks for the ball, as was probably the case at the Dragons

[True Raven]

Isn't it possible that he's playing no better or worse than before?

Sure, it's possible, but what would temper that is that he is now proving it at a higher level.

Let's remember that he was ousted from the NGD because Lyn Jones told him that Byrne and Amos (ha!) would be his full backs. So it's clear that he's gone from an outcast at the worst pro team in Wales to shining for the best at a higher level than he ever performed at for the NGD.

Doesn't that lean toward an improvement in his play?

He's not shining for the Ospreys at all this season, he's looked limited in attack and has dropped far too many passes and high balls this season that a professional player shouldn't. You guys do realise you're talking about Dan Evans here right? He's hardly improved since he left the dragons because he didn't have a high ceiling in the first place.

[Stone Motif]

Tom Isaacs.

Ieuan Jones improved so much he can't even get in our A team

[Stone Motif]

Isn't it possible that he's playing no better or worse than before?

Sure, it's possible, but what would temper that is that he is now proving it at a higher level.

Let's remember that he was ousted from the NGD because Lyn Jones told him that Byrne and Amos (ha!) would be his full backs. So it's clear that he's gone from an outcast at the worst pro team in Wales to shining for the best at a higher level than he ever performed at for the NGD.

Doesn't that lean toward an improvement in his play?

He's not shining for the Ospreys at all this season, he's looked limited in attack and has dropped far too many passes and high balls this season that a professional player shouldn't.  You guys do realise you're talking about Dan Evans here right?  He's hardly improved since he left the dragons because he didn't have a high ceiling in the first place.  

You'll be drummed out of Ospreylia talking that kind of heresy

[wayne]

So from different posters he was now so good in 2014, so how come in 2 seasons for the dragons he was only involved in 24 games in total (can't be bothered to look how many of those he started or subbed) in less than 2 seasons with a much better team he has played in 47 (that's forty seven), 28 in his first season and 19 up to now this season, he will probably be over 50 appearances by seasons end, now that is what is called appreciated.
I think it was Griff (if it wasn't I'm sorry) who brought Tom Isaacs into the debate, considering he only played for one season for the Dragons, and in that monumental season he played 7 games, whereas in 5 seasons for us he played 66 games although I must admit the majority were as a substitute, so yes he definitely improved under us. Just to add got that wrong, Isaacs played 66 matches in 4 seasons starting 35 and subbing in 31
True Raven yes he has been so bad that he has played in all our major matches this season, no emergency cover has been brought in to cover for him, what I will say is he is not as good as last season, when he was voted Player of the Season by our supporters (think) and according to the Fail when the Guinness Team of the Season was voted on Liam Williams was selected at full back with honourable mention to Dan, and yet he hasn't improved.
Considering this topic has been hijacked into thinking I was talking about the Dragons, (because 2 posters can't comprehend basic English) when there are so many others who have improved, you only have to look at our squad for this season to see a number who have benefitted from being in our environment, not necessarily this season because of injury but over the past 2 or 3 seasons.

[wayne]

Tom Isaacs.

Ieuan Jones improved so much he can't even get in our A team

He went from you to the Blues, and because of an injury crisis we took a punt on him, and you were stupid enough to then take him back, funnily enough Aled Brew did something similar, us, loaned to you, brought him back, let him go, signed for you, where is he now? Now that is a piece of turd.

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