Scotland v South Africa, 3 October

by **George Carlin** Mon 28 Sep 2015, 6:31 am

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SCOTLAND V SOUTH AFRICA
3 October 2015
KO: 16:45 BST
St. James' Park, Newcastle

Live on [tbc]

Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales) Scotland v South Africa, 3 October - Page 10 Worshi11

Scotland v South Africa, 3 October - Page 10 Worshi11

Touch judges: Chris Pollock (New Zealand) & Leighton Hodges (Wales)
Television match official: George Ayoub (Australia)

A. Head to Head

25 Played 25
5 Won 20
0 Drawn 0
20 Lost 5
270 Points 652

B. Recent Form

28 June 2014
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, Port Elizabeth
55 – 6 to South Africa

17 November 2013
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 28 to South Africa

15 June 2013
Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
30 – 17 to South Africa

17 November 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
10 – 21 to South Africa

20 November 2010
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
21 – 17 to Scotland

15 November 2008
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
10 – 14 to South Africa

C. Teams

SCOTLAND
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Scotland v South Africa, 3 October - Page 10 Kirsty10

15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 35 caps; 9 tries, 2 pens, 51 points 
14 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 8 tries, 40 points
13 Richie Vernon (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps
12 Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby) – 31 caps; 4 tries, 20 points
11 Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 22 caps; 10 tries, 50 points
 10 Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors) – 20 caps; 2 tries, 6 cons, 9 pens, 1 drop, 52 points
09 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester) – 43 caps; 3 tries, 51 cons, 92 pens, 393 points
 
01 Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) – 12 caps
02 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 12 caps
03 Willem Nel (Edinburgh Rugby) – 5 caps; 1 try, 5 points
04 Richie Gray (Castres) – 48 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
05 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 16 caps; 1 try, 5 points
06 Josh Strauss (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
07 Blair Cowan (London Irish) – 13 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
08 David Denton (Edinburgh Rugby) – 29 caps

 16 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 91 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 49 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
18 Jon Welsh (Newcastle Falcons) – 9 caps; 1 try, 5 points
19 Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 14 caps
20 Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 13 caps
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby) – 7 caps
22 Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 12 caps; 1 try, 1 con, 1 pen, 10 points
23 Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors) – 98 caps; 14 tries, 70 points

SOUTH AFRICA
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Scotland v South Africa, 3 October - Page 10 Charli10

01. Tendai Mtawarira
02. Bismarck Du Plessis
03. Jannie Du Plessis
04. Eben Etzebeth
05. Lodewyk De Jager
06. Francois Louw
07. Schalk Burger
08. Duane Vermeulen

09. Fourie Du Preez (captain)
10. Handre Pollard
11. Bryan Habana
12. Damian De Allende
13. Jesse Kriel
14. JP Pietersen
15. Willie Le Roux

16. Adriaan Strauss
17. Trevor Nyakane
18. Frans Malherbe
19. Pieter-Steph Du Toit
20. Willem Alberts
21. Ruan Pienaar
22. Pat Lambie
23. Jan Serfontein

by **RDW** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:29 pm

We've had a better last 20 but need more points to show for it

by eirebilly Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:31 pm

Biltong wrote:Hell, can you guys stop bitching?

Not sure its bitching when SA have had about 4 of those shoulders to head missed by the officials and at least two neck throws missed. Its simply about time that they got punished for it. I have nothing to gain either way as I am not a supporter of either team so I can see things without fan glasses on.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:31 pm

Laidlaw is far too laborious at the breakdowns and it is costing Scotland dearly.

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:32 pm

Tell your players to stop ducking in the tackle

by **RDW** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:32 pm

Ffs Scotland - they're a man down

by glamorganalun Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:33 pm

Scotland not in the game so far SA should get a BP when back to 15 players.

by **George Carlin** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:34 pm

Biltong wrote:Tell your players to stop ducking in the tackle

by doctor_grey Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:34 pm

I think the drubbing is just beginning.
Starting to look a wee bit ugly.

by R!skysports Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:34 pm

We are very poor
SA not really needing to do much so far to get 2 tries

by **RDW** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:35 pm

And another neck high tackle on jonny Gray!

by Hammersmith harrier Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:35 pm

Ducking in the tackle- Legal
High Tackles- Illegal
Tacking with no use of arms- Illegal

South Africa getting away with murder yet again.

by mikey_dragon Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:35 pm

George Carlin wrote:
Biltong wrote:Tell your players to stop ducking in the tackle

Time for a joust?

by R!skysports Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:36 pm

Biltong wrote:Tell your players to stop ducking in the tackle

Lol

6 foot 5 vernon neck tackled by burger at the end again

by majesticimperialman Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:37 pm

SA deserving their lead at half time. Scotland at the moment don't look like scoring a try, but living off the boot of Laidlaw for their points.

by tigertattie Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:38 pm

South Africa a playing clever. Playing dirty, but playing clever.

I'd get Sam HC on, move laidlaw to 10 and hook weir.

Need to play with more tempo and stop letting South Africa boss is around the park

by glamorganalun Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:38 pm

There are some highish tackles/holding up but not looking dangerous but at least the game is not stop start using the TMO thank goodness.

by tigertattie Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:38 pm

South Africa a playing clever. Playing dirty, but playing clever.

I'd get Sam HC on, move laidlaw to 10 and hook weir.

Need to play with more tempo and stop letting South Africa boss is around the park

by GLove39 Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:38 pm

Deservedly behind. But Frak me, why have South Africa been given carte blanche to tackle us constantly by the neck.

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:39 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:And another neck high tackle on jonny Gray!

Look at his body positioning, he is falling into the tackle

by R!skysports Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:39 pm

But the reason we are losing is they are better than us

by Majestic83 Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:39 pm

Terrible first half from us, poor tactics, execution & attitude.

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:40 pm

tigertattie wrote:South Africa a playing clever. Playing dirty, but playing clever.

I'd get Sam HC on, move laidlaw to 10 and hook weir.

Need to play with more tempo and stop letting South Africa boss is around the park

Well that is me stopping to read this thread.

by cakeordeath Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:41 pm

SA are getting everything their own way including decisions. Breakdown is a disaster with SA players lying on the wrong side. Maybe we should use Billtongs logic and just stamp on them, and then tell them to stop lying there

by Hammersmith harrier Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:42 pm

Do you guys really expect anything else from them, I can't remember the last time I watched SA play a clean game.

by whocares Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:43 pm

Regardless of the SA tackling technique, Scotland look underpowered. They seem to move backwards at every tackle and commit way more players in the rucks than their opponents. If that doesnt change I fear the 2nd half will look very long from a Scottish perspective...

by **George Carlin** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:44 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
Biltong wrote:Tell your players to stop ducking in the tackle

Time for a joust?

Scotland v South Africa, 3 October - Page 10 Joust10

by tigertattie Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:45 pm

Oh don't get us wrong whocares. We're totally allowing South Africa to play the game they want. We're pish and deserve to be losing this

by **George Carlin** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:47 pm

Haven't been able to watch this one, but it sounds like a bit of a clusterfeck.

I would have no objection to hooking Weir for Clyne, with Laidlaw to 10.

We need to do what we've done in all matches up until now and have an unrecognisably different second half.

by cakeordeath Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:48 pm

It is men against boys out there. We have to commit large numbers to the ruck or we will lose possession. Our "strike" runners are making little or no ground. Laidlaw is back to his ponderous self.

by Chunky Norwich Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:48 pm

A totally disgraceful performance from Nigel O'Wens. He simply has not got a clue at scrum time. His TMO let him down fr the first try. He has missed countless cheap shotes at ruck time and wants to be on television all ganme.

This man should not referee the Pro12 Final let alone the world cup final. Absolutely abysmal.

by **RDW** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:50 pm

Biltong wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:And another neck high tackle on jonny Gray!

Look at his body positioning, he is falling into the tackle

Doesn't justify a neck high tackle

by glamorganalun Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:51 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:A totally disgraceful performance from Nigel O'Wens. He simply has not got a clue at scrum time. His TMO let him down fr the first try. He has missed countless cheap shotes at ruck time and wants to be on television all ganme.

This man should not referee the Pro12 Final let alone the world cup final. Absolutely abysmal.

Rubbish/

by eirebilly Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:51 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:A totally disgraceful performance from Nigel O'Wens. He simply has not got a clue at scrum time. His TMO let him down fr the first try. He has missed countless cheap shotes at ruck time and wants to be on television all ganme.

This man should not referee the Pro12 Final let alone the world cup final. Absolutely abysmal.

Yes the TMO let him down, not Owens himself. He has missed a bit but he also relies on his linesmen and they are the most guilty for missing the late shots myself. Its not been a great performance from the whole officiating team, not just Owens.

by offload Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:51 pm

I'm not buying this under powered stuff. It looks to me to me to be a bit of the mental toughness missing. Hopefully they'll come out stronger after a kicking in the dressing room.

by Shifty Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:52 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:A totally disgraceful performance from Nigel O'Wens. He simply has not got a clue at scrum time. His TMO let him down fr the first try. He has missed countless cheap shotes at ruck time and wants to be on television all ganme.

This man should not referee the Pro12 Final let alone the world cup final. Absolutely abysmal.

Oh rubbish hes one of the very best in the world. Scotland are getting creamed because they picked an under strength team. the Boks will always do the rough stuff it's part of their game. Just be thankful Kobus Wiese isnt playing, Owens would still be trying to find Scottish bodies come the next game against Samoa! Whistle

by **George Carlin** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:54 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:A totally disgraceful performance from Nigel O'Wens. He simply has not got a clue at scrum time. His TMO let him down fr the first try. He has missed countless cheap shotes at ruck time and wants to be on television all ganme.

This man should not referee the Pro12 Final let alone the world cup final. Absolutely abysmal.

Can't say that I agree Chunky - but the O'Wens thing makes me laugh every time.

by offload Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:54 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:A totally disgraceful performance from Nigel O'Wens. He simply has not got a clue at scrum time. His TMO let him down fr the first try. He has missed countless cheap shotes at ruck time and wants to be on television all ganme.

This man should not referee the Pro12 Final let alone the world cup final. Absolutely abysmal.

Been on the pop early?

by tigertattie Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:55 pm

We'll do well to come out of this with a losing bonus point

by glamorganalun Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:56 pm

Hogg should be yellowed for acting.

by wales606 Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:57 pm

Well done Nigel Owens,

I would have liked to see that penalised with a penalty and maybe a yellow.

Shocking dive.

by tigertattie Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:58 pm

Nigel Owens loves to rip the pish out of football

by tigertattie Sat 03 Oct 2015, 5:59 pm

Jesus duncan. Where did that come from?

by **RDW** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 6:01 pm

Chunky Weir!!

And just for completeness, a neck high tackle on him from Pietersen.

Feckin restarts though!!

by doctor_grey Sat 03 Oct 2015, 6:01 pm

tigertattie wrote:Nigel Owens loves to rip the pish out of football

too funny. But we now have a match, don't we?

by eirebilly Sat 03 Oct 2015, 6:02 pm

Scotland are not out of this, SA will tire judging by the last 7 to 10 matches from them. Big chance here.

by Chunky Norwich Sat 03 Oct 2015, 6:02 pm

George Carlin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:A totally disgraceful performance from Nigel O'Wens. He simply has not got a clue at scrum time. His TMO let him down fr the first try. He has missed countless cheap shotes at ruck time and wants to be on television all ganme.

This man should not referee the Pro12 Final let alone the world cup final. Absolutely abysmal.
Can't say that I agree Chunky - but the O'Wens thing makes me laugh every time.

Don't get me wrong, Scotland are losing because S Africa are way better. But this is a terrible performance from O'wens. The clamour for him to referee the final is sickening. I'm so glad he doesn't get to referee Wales.

by tigertattie Sat 03 Oct 2015, 6:02 pm

Worried about Swinson, Welsh and Wilson getting on.

by mikey_dragon Sat 03 Oct 2015, 6:04 pm

Owens had no choice but to go for yellow. Laidlaw almost got away with it, though.

by Artful_Dodger Sat 03 Oct 2015, 6:05 pm

Don't like Mtawarira clapping in Laidlaw's face as Laidlaw walks off having been yellow carded. Very footballish.

by **RDW** Sat 03 Oct 2015, 6:05 pm

Mistakes crippling us - restarts, Weir's bad pass, stupid stupid from Laidlaw

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