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5000-1 - The 2016/17 Premier League thread
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The other thread is coming to an end and I think it's nice to have a new memory to take us through this year.
And with the new season starting today, what better time to refresh things and start again. The preamble of pre-season is over: 2016/17 LETS BE AVIN YA
The other thread is coming to an end and I think it's nice to have a new memory to take us through this year.
And with the new season starting today, what better time to refresh things and start again. The preamble of pre-season is over: 2016/17 LETS BE AVIN YA
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GSC wrote:Why on earth would Antonio be playing RB anyway.
Bilic likes his stamina, strength and the pace on the overlap. But whilst Antonio can do a job, and is very good help for the full back, he clearly has no positional sense for it.
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Have Clyne play at LB and stick Emre at RB?Crimey wrote:I'd be happy with either Can coming in, allowing Henderson and Gini as the two pressing centre-midfielders or Origi coming in and Firmino dropping deeper. Just nice to have options for once.
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DAVE667 wrote:Have Clyne play at LB and stick Emre at RB?Crimey wrote:I'd be happy with either Can coming in, allowing Henderson and Gini as the two pressing centre-midfielders or Origi coming in and Firmino dropping deeper. Just nice to have options for once.
Can at RB is miles worse than Moreno at left back.
I think we're just going to have to suck it up and cope with Moreno personally.
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Think he's a better player now than and would do a decent job until an alternative for Moreno comes along (hopefully Milner is fit soon but even that's not ideal)Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Have Clyne play at LB and stick Emre at RB?Crimey wrote:I'd be happy with either Can coming in, allowing Henderson and Gini as the two pressing centre-midfielders or Origi coming in and Firmino dropping deeper. Just nice to have options for once.
Can at RB is miles worse than Moreno at left back.
I think we're just going to have to suck it up and cope with Moreno personally.
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DAVE667 wrote:Think he's a better player now than and would do a decent job until an alternative for Moreno comes along (hopefully Milner is fit soon but even that's not ideal)Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Have Clyne play at LB and stick Emre at RB?Crimey wrote:I'd be happy with either Can coming in, allowing Henderson and Gini as the two pressing centre-midfielders or Origi coming in and Firmino dropping deeper. Just nice to have options for once.
Can at RB is miles worse than Moreno at left back.
I think we're just going to have to suck it up and cope with Moreno personally.
I just don't see how it'd work, particularly in the system Klopp wants to play.
The full backs have to provide almost all the width and Can just isn't going to hug the touchline in the same way that Moreno and Clyne do. Not to mention his positioning isn't great anyway and putting Clyne on his wrong side is going to make his positioning worse.
Moreno has been poor, but I feel like making two players play out of position just to push him out isn't the solution.
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Is it any worse than having a liability of the pitch who stifles the team's attacking capabilities as they're wary of the fact he's leaving them short at the back so are looking to cover for him. Thought Wijnaldum, Henderson and Lallana were tripping over each other on Sunday and felt it was because they were dropping back to keep an eye on Moreno rather than pressing forward.Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Think he's a better player now than and would do a decent job until an alternative for Moreno comes along (hopefully Milner is fit soon but even that's not ideal)Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Have Clyne play at LB and stick Emre at RB?Crimey wrote:I'd be happy with either Can coming in, allowing Henderson and Gini as the two pressing centre-midfielders or Origi coming in and Firmino dropping deeper. Just nice to have options for once.
Can at RB is miles worse than Moreno at left back.
I think we're just going to have to suck it up and cope with Moreno personally.
I just don't see how it'd work, particularly in the system Klopp wants to play.
The full backs have to provide almost all the width and Can just isn't going to hug the touchline in the same way that Moreno and Clyne do. Not to mention his positioning isn't great anyway and putting Clyne on his wrong side is going to make his positioning worse.
Moreno has been poor, but I feel like making two players play out of position just to push him out isn't the solution.
Maybe I just have a downer on the lad! You're only as strong as your weakest link and at the minute I think it's quite clearly him. We can't afford to give him half a season to get his act together if we're looking to get anywhere near top four. The issues he had last season haven't gone away and it's going to cause big problems.
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DAVE667 wrote:Is it any worse than having a liability of the pitch who stifles the team's attacking capabilities as they're wary of the fact he's leaving them short at the back so are looking to cover for him. Thought Wijnaldum, Henderson and Lallana were tripping over each other on Sunday and felt it was because they were dropping back to keep an eye on Moreno rather than pressing forward.Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Think he's a better player now than and would do a decent job until an alternative for Moreno comes along (hopefully Milner is fit soon but even that's not ideal)Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Have Clyne play at LB and stick Emre at RB?Crimey wrote:I'd be happy with either Can coming in, allowing Henderson and Gini as the two pressing centre-midfielders or Origi coming in and Firmino dropping deeper. Just nice to have options for once.
Can at RB is miles worse than Moreno at left back.
I think we're just going to have to suck it up and cope with Moreno personally.
I just don't see how it'd work, particularly in the system Klopp wants to play.
The full backs have to provide almost all the width and Can just isn't going to hug the touchline in the same way that Moreno and Clyne do. Not to mention his positioning isn't great anyway and putting Clyne on his wrong side is going to make his positioning worse.
Moreno has been poor, but I feel like making two players play out of position just to push him out isn't the solution.
Maybe I just have a downer on the lad! You're only as strong as your weakest link and at the minute I think it's quite clearly him. We can't afford to give him half a season to get his act together if we're looking to get anywhere near top four. The issues he had last season haven't gone away and it's going to cause big problems.
Moreno is a problem, creating two problems to try and compensate is definitely worse.
It would totally stifle the team's attacking capabilities by having Clyne and Can as full backs.
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Having people sitting deeper just in case Moreno f8cks up also stifles our attacking capability as we've no-one to link up play with the forwards. Still, all about opinions and when he smashes in a 35yd screamer against utd, I'll probably forgive him...until next time!Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Is it any worse than having a liability of the pitch who stifles the team's attacking capabilities as they're wary of the fact he's leaving them short at the back so are looking to cover for him. Thought Wijnaldum, Henderson and Lallana were tripping over each other on Sunday and felt it was because they were dropping back to keep an eye on Moreno rather than pressing forward.Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Think he's a better player now than and would do a decent job until an alternative for Moreno comes along (hopefully Milner is fit soon but even that's not ideal)Crimey wrote:DAVE667 wrote:Have Clyne play at LB and stick Emre at RB?Crimey wrote:I'd be happy with either Can coming in, allowing Henderson and Gini as the two pressing centre-midfielders or Origi coming in and Firmino dropping deeper. Just nice to have options for once.
Can at RB is miles worse than Moreno at left back.
I think we're just going to have to suck it up and cope with Moreno personally.
I just don't see how it'd work, particularly in the system Klopp wants to play.
The full backs have to provide almost all the width and Can just isn't going to hug the touchline in the same way that Moreno and Clyne do. Not to mention his positioning isn't great anyway and putting Clyne on his wrong side is going to make his positioning worse.
Moreno has been poor, but I feel like making two players play out of position just to push him out isn't the solution.
Maybe I just have a downer on the lad! You're only as strong as your weakest link and at the minute I think it's quite clearly him. We can't afford to give him half a season to get his act together if we're looking to get anywhere near top four. The issues he had last season haven't gone away and it's going to cause big problems.
Moreno is a problem, creating two problems to try and compensate is definitely worse.
It would totally stifle the team's attacking capabilities by having Clyne and Can as full backs.
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I don't think they were sitting deeper to cover him and if that's what they were trying to do, they were doing an awful job of it.
The system Liverpool have played under Klopp relies on the full backs providing widths, if the full backs don't get forward and stay wide we'll end up being even more crowded in the centre.
The system Liverpool have played under Klopp relies on the full backs providing widths, if the full backs don't get forward and stay wide we'll end up being even more crowded in the centre.
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I think Moreno would be pretty good in a 352 formation, like Juve play, as an attacking wing back.
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He did when Liverpool played 3-4-3 in 14/15, it was his most successful period.
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Perhaps he was so bad even they couldn't get him out of the hole he'd dug for himself. It's not the getting forward that's the issue with him, it's the getting back and staying back IN POSITION and putting in decent tackles etc....these are not small issues that need addressingCrimey wrote:I don't think they were sitting deeper to cover him and if that's what they were trying to do, they were doing an awful job of it.
The system Liverpool have played under Klopp relies on the full backs providing widths, if the full backs don't get forward and stay wide we'll end up being even more crowded in the centre.
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Looks like Liverpool are interested in Fabio Coentrao but Zidane wants to keep him as back up to Marcelo. But if I were Klopp I would try my best to sign Jonas Hector. He may not be as attack minded like Moreno but at least his defensive abilities are sound.
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As Crimey says, Klopp's wanting an attack minded team but I just think Moreno is a liability and whilst one should have faith in the manager, it would be nice to hear just what he see in Moreno in order to persist with him. As I said, the howlers he committed last year as still there and I'm disappointed that he hasn't gone some way to rectifying them during the Summer break.nadeem2099 wrote:Looks like Liverpool are interested in Fabio Coentrao but Zidane wants to keep him as back up to Marcelo. But if I were Klopp I would try my best to sign Jonas Hector. He may not be as attack minded like Moreno but at least his defensive abilities are sound.
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Don't believe those rumours, Klopp's press conference today did not indicate that he plans to sign a new left back at all.
I think the facts are that Klopp isn't interesting in taking a conservative approach, I imagine we'll see plenty of scores like that this year. The team is set up take risks, including countering at pace, which means our full backs are often going to be out of position. I actually think his best strength is recovering, as he's so fast often he can catch back up to the winger. I agree his tackling and positioning are poor and Liverpool should sign a replacement.
However, I just don't know of many realistic full backs out there who can push forward at the level Klopp wants but is also magical in defence. Players like Marcelo and Alba are capable of it, but even they make similar mistakes, but they're way out of our league.
I think the facts are that Klopp isn't interesting in taking a conservative approach, I imagine we'll see plenty of scores like that this year. The team is set up take risks, including countering at pace, which means our full backs are often going to be out of position. I actually think his best strength is recovering, as he's so fast often he can catch back up to the winger. I agree his tackling and positioning are poor and Liverpool should sign a replacement.
However, I just don't know of many realistic full backs out there who can push forward at the level Klopp wants but is also magical in defence. Players like Marcelo and Alba are capable of it, but even they make similar mistakes, but they're way out of our league.
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If Klopp wants an attack minded left back that can defend aswell then he should go for either Ricardo Rodriguez or Alex Sandro. They won't be cheap, but both are very good attacking wise and can defend. They are a more realistic option than Marcelo/Alba. But as you say, it looks like Klopp will stick with Moreno for now.
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Kammy. Go away
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Casual, innit. Friday night, havin a laugh down pub. Footie on? Oh aye, bantz
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"I dont mind Wayne being there, as long as he's penetrating" - Giggsy's sex addiction still a problem
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He was eyeing up the female presenter in the pub.
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Rooney assist
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Great header that.
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He's really struggling to adapt to the Premier league isn't he!
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I've been banging the Zlatan drum for years. He'll bag 20+ league goals this year.
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Hero wrote:He's really struggling to adapt to the Premier league isn't he!
Fine! I'll put him in my Arsenal/Man United combo team
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That was just silly
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Odds on the hat trick?
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West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady tells Trevor Sinclair that "it's our ambition to win the league, that's what we're here for".
Watch out, world. We've just drawn to a team in Romania, now we want the title
Watch out, world. We've just drawn to a team in Romania, now we want the title
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Pogba certainly added a more direct attacking impetus to the team, add to that the height of a number of the players for set pieces and it's looking for a much more promising season ahead. Bailly though once again just looks born for the Premier League.
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Efficient again for United. Pogba just brings such mobility, something the side has lacked in the midfield for years.
Southampton? Worryingly poor. Not threatening on the ball, didnt look like they wanted to do the hard part of winning it back either.
Southampton? Worryingly poor. Not threatening on the ball, didnt look like they wanted to do the hard part of winning it back either.
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Things look good for United though. Not been forced out of their comfort zone and winning with ease. Players settling quickly. Bailly looking good, which must be huge for his confidence considering the fee, his age and the new league.
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Southampton's bubble was going to burst sooner, rather than later. It's just how far they drop, will it be to mid-table or will it be more severe? Without some investment to replace Mane or Pelle, I'd say it will be the latter. I see Puel thinks he can turn Redmond into the next Henry. I'd advise him to ditch that idea with immediate effect
Pogba looked classy & Bailly looks sensational. Worrying for Smalling & Rashford though.
Pogba looked classy & Bailly looks sensational. Worrying for Smalling & Rashford though.
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Rashford will play cups and European games I imagine.
I can see the guardiola experiment going wrong in the pl, I'm not sure high press and leaving your wings exposed will prove successful.
They'll probably win easily after I've said that.
I can see the guardiola experiment going wrong in the pl, I'm not sure high press and leaving your wings exposed will prove successful.
They'll probably win easily after I've said that.
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Complete and utter nonsense that decision.
Otamendi was holding shawcross too.
Otamendi was holding shawcross too.
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Shawcross still hasn't learnt. 1-0 to City - Aguero
As for Cabellero's distribution, it has been awful
As for Cabellero's distribution, it has been awful
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They were both holding, terrible refereeing - well have several penalties in every game if that's the standard set.
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Free header, shocking defending.
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That's a blatant penalty.
What a crap referee we have today.
What a crap referee we have today.
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With all due respect it was a penalty..He stopped Otamendi from jumping..
You can argue that those don't tend to be given but it was a penalty..
Great header from Aguero too...Hard to defend those..
Utd were class yesterday and City are today..
Credit where it's due.
You can argue that those don't tend to be given but it was a penalty..
Great header from Aguero too...Hard to defend those..
Utd were class yesterday and City are today..
Credit where it's due.
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Well that was another farcical penalty, worse than the first if possible.
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Navas is proper crap
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Think guardiola will need to review his approach, the players he has aren't good enough to monopolise possession in the way he wants but they can be devastating and incisive if let off the leash.
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I think he'll probably look at it as his 3rd competitive game in charge after a shortened preseason and not overreact
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Don't think his players are magically going to get better at retaining the ball.
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Suspect they will when Gundogan comes back and they've further gelled as a unit.
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If gundogan can stay fit.
Those fullbacks, navas, sterling and nolito are never going to be able to do what he wants.
Think they've hit it straight out of play more times today than barca or Bayern did in a season under him.
Those fullbacks, navas, sterling and nolito are never going to be able to do what he wants.
Think they've hit it straight out of play more times today than barca or Bayern did in a season under him.
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Good ball from silva and very composed from ihenacho there.
Came from his direct running initially.
Came from his direct running initially.
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