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ENGLAND v ARGENTINA
26 November 2016
14:30 GMT (UTC+0)
Twickenham Stadium, London

Live on Sky Sports 1

Referee: Pascal Gauzère (France)
Assistant Referees: Marius Mitrea (Italy), Ian Davies (Wales)
TMO: Gareth Simmonds (Wales)

A. Head to Head

19 Played 19
14 Won 4
1 Drawn 1
4 Lost 14
488 Points 282

B. Recent Form

9 November 2013
Twickenham, London
31 – 12 to England

15 June 2013
Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires
26 – 51 to England

8 June 2013
Estadio Padre Ernesto Martearena, Salta
3 – 32 to England

10 September 2011
Otago Stadium, Dunedin, New Zealand
13 – 9 to England

14 November 2009
Twickenham, London
16 – 9 to England

13 June 2009
Padre Ernesto Martearena, Salta
24 – 22 to Argentina

6 June 2009
Old Trafford, Manchester
37 – 15 to England

11 November 2006
Twickenham, London
18 – 25 to Argentina

C. Teams

ENGLAND 
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15 Mike Brown, 14 Jonny May, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Owen Farrell, 11 Elliot Daly, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Tom Wood, 6 Chris Robshaw, 5 George Kruis, 4 Courtney Lawes, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Dylan Hartley (c), 1 Mako Vunipola

Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Joe Marler, 18 Kyle Sinckler, 19 Charlie Ewels, 20 Teimana Harrison,, 21 Danny Care, 22 Ben Te’o, 23 Henry Slade

ARGENTINA
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15 Joaquín Tuculet, 14 Matías Orlando, 13 Matías Moroni, 12 Santiago González Iglesias, 11 Santiago Cordero, 10 Juan Martín Hernández, 9 Tomás Cubelli, 8 Leonardo Senatore, 7 Javier Ortega Desio, 6 Pablo Matera, 5 Matías Alemanno, 4 Guido Petti, 3 Ramiro Herrera, 2 Agustín Creevy (c), 1 Lucas Noguera

Replacements: 16 Julián Montoya, 17 Santiago García Botta, 18 Enrique Pieretto, 19 Facundo Isa, 20 Tomas Lezana, 21 Martin Landajo, 22 Jerónimo De la Fuente, 23 Juan Pablo Estelles


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Post by nathan Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:06

trebellbobaggins wrote:he is allowing so many Arg penalties yet no cards.  

They'll have someone in the bin soon

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Post by Heaf Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:07

Can we swap the TJ for the ref as he seems to know what's going on more - twice he's had to step in to give pens.

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:07

Lol

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:07

about time he actually picked them up on their cheating.

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:08

Farrells kicking has gone a bit of boil

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Post by offload Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:09

Good decisions from the ref there for the penalty try. Liked that he didn't use the tmo.
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Post by Geordie Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:10

Billy V and Robshaw are playing like men possessed!!!!!

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Post by offload Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:13

I think Argentina will be very disappointed with their first half hour, not playing smart rugby.
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Post by stub Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:14

GeordieFalcon wrote:Billy V and Robshaw are playing like men possessed!!!!!

So good to see!

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Post by offload Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:15

First scrum at 35 mins - unusual.
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Post by nathan Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:17

Not good...

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:17

England are losing so many good players ahead of the Aussie game.  Billy V now by the looks of it.  It's going to a serious test of Engs depth (As is this to be fair.). Very worrying.  I think the Aussies will have to be big favourites to get a small amount of revenge.


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Post by nathan Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:18

Harrison, we'll lose now

He runs like bambi


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Post by mid_gen Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:18

Eek Billy looks in trouble. He's been immense today, never seen him looking in such good shape either.

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Post by Geordie Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:20

That's a massive blow.

Harrison needs an immense game!!!

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Post by offload Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:23

Surprised Wood hasn't gone to 8? Does Harrison play there much?
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Post by mid_gen Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:23

We could really do with not losing someone to the bin right now...

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:25

Harrison has made that pack so weak.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:26

my goodness they got on the wrong side of this ref today.

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Post by Geordie Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:27

Am I the only one with no confidence in Harrison?

Yellow to Cole now ouch

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Post by mid_gen Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:27

In that position he needs to be shoving and let the flankers keep their eyes up to make the tackles.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:27

he's totally out of his depth Geordie.  ten minutes two men down.  the writing is on the wall.

sadly I think that try could be the turning point. we lost a man then had to replace our best player with a poor one.

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Post by stub Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:30

Well, game on I suppose.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:31

Jones has his work cut out now. has to go find some players before next week for a start.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:32

No scrums for 35 minutes then 10 minutes straight of them.

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Post by Geordie Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:32

Nah regroup at half time.

Sort it out. Is Hughes in the bench?

Smash these cheating dirty argie bast:#ds!!!!!!

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Post by Geordie Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:33

Unless Harrison has a blinder second half he won't wear the white shirt again!

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:33

dog farts

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Post by Heaf Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:33

nathan wrote:
mid_gen wrote:Red for me, he's landed on his head.

I thought it was his shoulder
That's because it was ... Garces needs a lesson in biology ... arm first then shoulder

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Post by rozakthegoon Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:34

Hughes isn't on bench. Any other backdown/2nd row on bench?!

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Post by rozakthegoon Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:34

I really wanted Harrison to do well. But he looks very much out of his depth. Seems a poor bench choice.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:35

I think he's only there because Eng have so many injuries.

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Post by Geordie Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:39

Harrison was poor last week as I said at the time. Why is Hughes not on the bench?

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Post by Scottrf Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:40

I don't know how the ref was so sure about the grounding on their try from his angle. Harrison had an arm under it.

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Post by wolfball Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:40

trebellbobaggins wrote:my goodness they got on the wrong side of this ref today.

Really? i'd say this ref has gone out of his way not to penalize england. That 5 mins of scrum messing would have been a yellow and a penalty try 8 time out of 10.

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Post by Heaf Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:42

Heaf wrote:
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mid_gen wrote:Red for me, he's landed on his head.

I thought it was his shoulder
That's because it was ... Garces needs a lesson in biology ... arm first then shoulder
And by the way since when has pulling a player back by the arm not been a penalty offence?  But for the TJ he would have also let Argentina get away with taking a man out in the air and a chop tackle with no arms ...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:43

Harrison is nowhere near this level, what was he doing?!??!!

This is going to take some doing in the 2nd.

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Post by Heaf Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:43

wolfball wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:my goodness they got on the wrong side of this ref today.

Really? i'd say this ref has gone out of his way not to penalize england. That 5 mins of scrum messing would have been a yellow and a penalty try 8 time out of 10.
Couldn't be a PT from that ...

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:45

Robshaw held back in that try too

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:45

wolfball wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:my goodness they got on the wrong side of this ref today.

Really? i'd say this ref has gone out of his way not to penalize england. That 5 mins of scrum messing would have been a yellow and a penalty try 8 time out of 10.

he's been ignoring an awful lot from Arg.

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Post by rozakthegoon Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:45

Ewels heart will be beating fast! A lot on him when he comes on

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:47

that was too easy. 2 men down and sadly the space will mean a stuffing now.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:49

just worries me what the class of Australia will do to this team next week.

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:50

trebellbobaggins wrote:just worries me what the class of Australia will do to this team next week.

You are getting ahead of yourself, why not worry about this game first huh

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:55

nathan wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:just worries me what the class of Australia will do to this team next week.

You are getting ahead of yourself, why not worry about this game first huh

because I fear Bill V gone and the red card have gifted this to Arg (who look like a poor team in a fair match) and I worry more about this weaker eng side coping with a great Aussie team,

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Post by nathan Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:57

trebellbobaggins wrote:
nathan wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:just worries me what the class of Australia will do to this team next week.

You are getting ahead of yourself, why not worry about this game first huh

because I fear Bill V gone and the red card have gifted this to Arg (who look like a poor team in a fair match) and I worry more about this weaker eng side coping with a great Aussie team,

Well go and take a Valium or something, have some hope!


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Post by doctor_grey Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:57

trebellbobaggins wrote:
nathan wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:just worries me what the class of Australia will do to this team next week.

You are getting ahead of yourself, why not worry about this game first huh

because I fear Bill V gone and the red card have gifted this to Arg (who look like a poor team in a fair match) and I worry more about this weaker eng side coping with a great Aussie team,
Regardless of the outcome of this one, England will be right pished off and will hammer the Aussies back to Botany Bay.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 15:59

That would be nice Dr! Just what the Dr ordered.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:02

doctor_grey wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:
nathan wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:just worries me what the class of Australia will do to this team next week.

You are getting ahead of yourself, why not worry about this game first huh

because I fear Bill V gone and the red card have gifted this to Arg (who look like a poor team in a fair match) and I worry more about this weaker eng side coping with a great Aussie team,
Regardless of the outcome of this one, England will be right pished off and will hammer the Aussies back to Botany Bay.

I agree. This will blow all feelings of complacency out of this team either way. The big worry now is just Billy. Our chief OZ tormentors were Haskell, Itoje, Billy and Farrell, and we could be left with only Farrell left for next week

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 26 Nov 2016 - 16:03

OF missing isn't great but Harrison then knocking on just seems to sum him up today.

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