It is a bad mistake to close a thread....

[Tenez]

....Because people disagree about tennis matter. Be careful not to over moderate this forum. As far as I could read, there was no insults, no sexism, racial abuse and that should be the only concern of the mods.

We all come from 606 for its good and its bad, most of us would still be there if it wasn;t for its closure.

[Adam D]

Correction - it is a bad mistake to question the admin and moderation team.

Now any further comments?

[graf_the_greatest]

Why are we not allowed to ask questions of the admin/moderation team? I thought they were chosen from among the users of 606v2. That is one of the many great things about this site compared to the draconian and illogical mistakes made by old 606.

This is a much more mature and intelligent forum than its predecessor and surely polite questions should be encouraged.

[Adam D]

I thought they were chosen from among the users of 606v2. That is one of the many great things about this site compared to the draconian and illogical mistakes made by old 606.

That will be the other admins and mods. I am the Draconian and illogical member of the board. Hello.

[Tom_____]

I thought they were chosen from among the users of 606v2. That is one of the many great things about this site compared to the draconian and illogical mistakes made by old 606.

That will be the other admins and mods. I am the Draconian and illogical member of the board. Hello.

????

You cannot be serious

[graf_the_greatest]

Hello Omnipotent One!

[Davie]

Oh yes he's deadly serious

[polished_man]

....Because people disagree about tennis points. Be careful not to over moderate this forum. As far as I could read, there was no insults, no sexism, racial abuse and that's should be the only concern of the mods.

We all come from 606 for its good and its bad, most of us would still be there if it wasn;t for its closure.

I have to agree with you, I find this thing rather annoying......

[Haddie-nuff]

So much for democracy --- can we have a smiley that is
"shakes head in disbelief"-

[Fernando]

So much for democracy --- can we have a smiley that is
"shakes head in disbelief"-

no you cannot use that >

[yummymummy]

GO FOR IT HOBO

Sick and tired of the *I Hate (insert name here) threads .

[yummymummy]

Tenez - Your absolute dislike of a Certain Player is getting
rather tedious - As it did on 606 !

[noleisthebest]

....Because people disagree about tennis points. Be careful not to over moderate this forum. As far as I could read, there was no insults, no sexism, racial abuse and that's should be the only concern of the mods.

We all come from 606 for its good and its bad, most of us would still be there if it wasn;t for its closure.

I'm with you on this one Tenez.
Mods jump in with their boots too often for no reason; a bit of a heated debate doesn't harm anyone. I prefer civilized disagreements than sanitized unity any day.

The number of cases that thrived on 606....I used to be called (that's during the time I allowed everyone to think I was a "dude") a wife-beater and many other names by people who are mostly on MTL now which is why I won't go there despite being registered a while ago well before 606 announced closing down).

I always wondered why some people were so much against you, you always seemed civil, just had your doubts about certain players, why, you are entitled to have your opinion.

Sadly this is the day and age of cowering behind the shield of political correctness (read big buck of suing culture), so it's best to avoid getting worked up too much about thins that are neither in mine or your control.

I've learnt to ignore a lot of things and shut them out; life's too short to let spoilers ruin the great party called tennis !

[Haddie-nuff]

Hey Davie what would you call this according to your quote to me
Quote

Unfortunately I prefer those wumming with the truth than those talking little sense with a straight face,and wrse taking themselves seriously


Wow now there IS an attacking comment on the person or his position dont you think ????

He who wrote it will recognise it I think

[legendkillar]

Can I suggest we have another mod in the tennis section that is a tennis fan? I know we have Jubbahey and he does a good job, but I think with the growing number of posters, we need another mod.

It appears that debates on the tennis threads turn into a slanging match and no use of logic or reasoning can help bring resolution to these desputes.

Users than get labelled with tags that they are unable to shake off and when new users join, prevents these users making new friends.

[noleisthebest]

It will be a shame if over-zealous mods ruin this forum before it gets the chance to properly develop.

Anyway, enough of that, Wimbers is coming...anyone going?

[legendkillar]

It will be a shame if over-zealous mods ruin this forum before it gets the chance to properly develop.

Anyway, enough of that, Wimbers is coming...anyone going?

I was going to go to Queens, but £98 for a Masters 250 event and the end of seasons masters 1500 event is £88 a ticket I know which one I will be going to.

I did enter a lottery last December to buy Wimbledon tickets before the event begun, but no luck.

[lydian]

It will be a shame if over-zealous mods ruin this forum before it gets the chance to properly develop.

Or the over-zealous Nadal haters...

[socal1976]

Ok, I hate to say it, but on this point i agree with Tenez. I appreciate the mods trying to keep things civilized, but there is a degree of moderation that at some point over steps the line and tends to quell debate and take some of the fun and banter out of the site. The administrators have done a good job with this site so far, but there is a fine line between moderation and censorship. I disagree with most of the things Tenez has to say, in fact his obsession with denigrating Nadal and anyone not named Roger federer can be quite irritating. But I think as long as people don't start calling each other names or make inappropriate references to race or sex, or don't threaten each other then what is wrong with holding a controversial opinion? What is wrong with saying things that others might not like as long as you do it politely, is it so wrong to think Nadal is a moonballer or that Fed is shanky? Both viewpoints are illogical and wrong. But the readers on the site can simply ignore those that they feel don't have anything to add to the debate. And occassionally, find common ground and an interesting interchange of ideas with someone that they disagree with.

Quite frankly this site is growing and so far I think we have the cream of the crop of the old 606 so far. The Rafateers, Nitb, lydian, legendkillar, yes and even BB and Tenez. (and several more that I probably should mention) I signed up for MTL and after week never posted again because there are a zillion members all whom find great difficulty in creating a post on tennis that is longer than 8 words. But this site will be stunted if all we are allowed to do is sign in and congratulate whoever the last person who won was or say things that are uncontroversial or that never creates dissatisfaction for any group of fans.

[Haddie-nuff]

I agree with most of what you say Socal... I also would say that the only thing that 606 got right in my view was when a poster "over stepped" or said something that the mods neither liked or disagreed with it was done by personal message not... posted on the thread for all to read with the intent of a public humiliation.I think every member is deserved of respect by fellow posters and moderators alike.

[yummymummy]

He missed

[socal1976]

Yes, haddie, effective management is most effective when it is done with a velvet glove not with an iron fist.

[legendkillar]

I love velvet

[Haddie-nuff]

Yes socal praise in public ...criticise in private .. good managerial policy

[yummymummy]

Oh Gaaawed

This is turning into 606 part deux !

I have no problem with the Moderation over here - It's a
damn site more *user-friendly* than the other place !

If peeps don't like it - My advise is Don't Post It !!!!

[legendkillar]

Can I advise that the Fed Fans use the Fed's Head if they want discuss amongst themselves the evils facing Federer?

I remember when Djokovic was winning a certain Nadal fan (I won't mention names) made absurd remarks about Djokovic.

When I want to write about my favourite player I go to Murray's Field of Dreams.

The Pre-Rafa Lites is the best example of how it is used in a positive way.

Users like myself, yummy, MFC, CC, Solerina, sportslover who like Murray discuss on their when Andy is the subject matter.

May the Federer fans please use their place and not flood the main topic area with such bile!

[yummymummy]

Well said Legend !!!!!!!!

[Haddie-nuff]

Can I advise that the Fed Fans use the Fed's Head if they want discuss amongst themselves the evils facing Federer?

I remember when Djokovic was winning a certain Nadal fan (I won't mention names) made absurd remarks about Djokovic.

When I want to write about my favourite player I go to Murray's Field of Dreams.

The Pre-Rafa Lites is the best example of how it is used in a positive way.

Users like myself, yummy, MFC, CC, Solerina, sportslover who like Murray discuss on their when Andy is the subject matter.

May the Federer fans please use their place and not flood the main topic area with such bile!

Yes but legend we shouldn´t all have to remain in our "corner" so to speak.. isnt this a place for general tennis discussion it doesnt always have to be fan based

[legendkillar]

Can I advise that the Fed Fans use the Fed's Head if they want discuss amongst themselves the evils facing Federer?

I remember when Djokovic was winning a certain Nadal fan (I won't mention names) made absurd remarks about Djokovic.

When I want to write about my favourite player I go to Murray's Field of Dreams.

The Pre-Rafa Lites is the best example of how it is used in a positive way.

Users like myself, yummy, MFC, CC, Solerina, sportslover who like Murray discuss on their when Andy is the subject matter.

May the Federer fans please use their place and not flood the main topic area with such bile!

Yes but legend we shouldn´t all have to remain in our "corner" so to speak.. isnt this a place for general tennis discussion it doesnt always have to be fan based

Ideally I would like to see the main used for 'generic' tennis subjects that are not about the top 4 in the mens game. I agree that users shouldn't be kept in 'corners' but with the nature of some of the topics this past week has generated more negative remarks then I can remember. If I was to write about Nadal I would go to Rafa section, Same with Federer and with Djokovic.

I don't want to keep seeing negative tennis posts on the main all the time.

[Tom_____]

I signed up for MTL and after week never posted again because there are a zillion members all whom find great difficulty in creating a post on tennis that is longer than 8 words.

The posters here have a problem creating a post with under 8 smileys

Well you only managed 6 there, so i guess you belong here 8)

Wjhat does that say about you?

Well, it says you can't take a joke and felt you had to abuse your admin powers to edit my post and add a bunch of smileys.

[yummymummy]

Hewwow Haddie

General discussion with a certain Hatah here ????


Long live tennis I say

[Haddie-nuff]

Hi yummy... Tennis is the thing ... we aLL have our favourites
but the bottom line is the game isn´t it... viva la difference...

[lydian]

That's fair enough socal...yes MTL is a different type of forum.

Wummery is fine but it can easily overstep the mark and before long you end up with a very cynical and polarised forum like 606 became. Its fine for people to not like how Nadal plays but do they have to ram it down everyone's throat every post and talk to people arrogantly to boot? I quite frankly got sick of it over on 606 as taints the way the place felt so I just left as did others including Duggietoo who got really abused and was the most impartial poster you could meet. So, yes lets have debate, I'm all for that and not have pleasant niceties but its the thin end of the wedge if overzealous views arent moderated before wummery becomes endemic and people cant make comments about players before being branded fanboys, or made to feel guilty for supporting/following certain players. This forum is still small and to see constant how bad is Nadal discussions everyday will put people off joining IMO. Or put them off staying...

[Tenez]

I always wondered why some people were so much against you, you always seemed civil, just had your doubts about certain players, why, you are entitled to have your opinion.

Thanks NITB and Polished. Likewise I find your posts very sensible.

It's always the same story. You talk about a player's game and the fanatics simply can't bear it. You could say all day long that Davydenko or Robredo were journeymen, noone woud care, bar the knowlegeable players but as soon as you wanted to talk about Nadal's "strategic high topspin" game, some would cry.

I guess there are lots of young people out there...

[legendkillar]

I always wondered why some people were so much against you, you always seemed civil, just had your doubts about certain players, why, you are entitled to have your opinion.

Thanks NITB and Polished. Likewise I find your posts very sensible.

It's always the same story. You talk about a player's game and the fanatics simply can't bear it. You could say all day long that Davydenko or Robredo were journeymen, noone woud care, bar the knowlegeable players but as soon as you wanted to talk about Nadal's "strategic high topspin" game, some would cry.

I guess there are lots of young people out there...

I would actually like it alot if people did post about other players or aspects of the game apart from the top 4. Least it would show they have interest in tennis as a sport and not 'fanatics' of certain players

[Haddie-nuff]

"I guess there are lots of young people out there"

God I sincerely hope so otherwise this world is in a bad way

[Adam D]

I never thought I would write this but Haddie said something very relevant

There would be something very wrong with a forum where you could only talk about the top 4 players in the world, only within the confines of their respective fan clubs.

This is a forum and THESE are the rules.

If someone doesnt like your favorite player, that is okay. Take it on the chin and move on.

If you dont like a certain player, feel free to criticise but only if you have a fair argument to post. Do NOT post negatives that are either unfounded or only to incite a reaction.

Criticism of another player is not WUM behaviour. It only becomes WUM like once it is off topic, pointless, repetitive and without foundation.

The biggest rule of all though is - TREAT OTHERS WITH THE SAME RESPECT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN RETURN.

Digs and ribbing is absolutely fine - just dont overstep the mark and post it for the sake of posting it. And dont retaliate!

(example - DAVIE always insults my beloved Welsh rugby team. We laugh about it, I call him an old fuddy duddy (behind his back) and then go and listen to some Jethro Tull together. Use this as a template)

[Haddie-nuff]

Oh can I take this as a pat on the back HOBO or is that taking things too far

[yummymummy]

SO - WHO'S GOING TO WIN QUEENS ????

Poor little Oliver got smashed this afternoon (And I DON'T mean
drunk)

[lydian]

Tenez, you cant come over all altruistic when we all know you were banned from 606 for extreme Nadal wummery.

When you say "you talk about a player's game" as if you do it so innocently...you fail to mention you do it incessantly about ONE players game. I;ve seen you do it on 606 for a long time, everyone came to know you as an anti-Nadal obsessive. Your obession was far more than any fanatics attention. Now I'm nowhere near a Nadal fanatic, just really a lukewarm fan, but your wummery is really irritating, and the way you speak to posters who dont agree with you. For example on the other thread to talked to people like they dont have knowledge and you say as much, then you address legendkiller by saying "Listen LK, I am telling the truth". Hardly endearing is it?
Then you talk about high topspin when most of the time you're just calling Nadal a moonballer as a term of wummery.
Then you end with a veiled insult to all those who dont agree with you.

If this is what the forum thinks is fine and wants to condone then fine.

[Tenez]

May the Federer fans please use their place and not flood the main topic area with such bile!

Oh C'mon. There is no bile or anything wrong saying that Nadal's shots are safe. or that his gme is extremely physical. Federer and Murray keep saying it at every interview almost.

There is however something very childish in refusing to see it. I woudl not dwell on it if posters where acceptig it like I can accept that Fed is likely to shank after the 4th BH in a rally.

I am just describing what I see. Nothing else.

[lydian]

Hobo...I'm fine with that as long as other posters stop their incessant anti-player talk. Otherwise I'm out of here.

[Tenez]

Lydian - for someone who doesn;t want to bring this site to 606 level, whatever that is, you are doing a good job of it.

I wasn't banned by the mods per se in 606...and that happened only after 5 or 6 years of posting there...It's just the Nadal fanatics that kept complaining...like they are doing now. The most serious and knowledgeable posters of 606 never had a problem with my posts.

[yummymummy]

Don't go Lydian

The *Wum* is a pain we are forced to bear (at the moment)

[yummymummy]

Lydian - for someone who doesn;t want to bring this site to 606 level, whatever that is, you are doing a good job of it.

I wasn't banned by the mods per se in 606...and that happened only after 5 or 6 years of posting there...It's just the Nadal fanatics that kept complaining...like they are doing now. The most serious and knowledgeable posters of 606 never had a problem with my posts.

Are you KIDDING ???

[Adam D]

Lydian and all others please take note.

We do not want anyone to leave this forum. However, we are not going to pander to peoples threats of walking if people arent dealt with.

We have rules in place and we aim to enforce them.

If someone is acting in a wum fashion, then they will be dealt with.

We have made the rules quite clear and are monitoring the situation. Everyone needs to take responsibility - if you believe that someone is breaking the rules, then please let the mod and admin team know about it.

However, if you do report something, wait for it to be dealt with. DO NOT make the matter worse by responding.

We want everyone to enjoy themselves. This is improving very difficult on this section due to peoples strong opinions and others sensitive nature. We are trying to run a fair forum with set rules - if anyone has any further comments, you know who your moderators are or you can PM the admin team.

[lydian]

I'm doing nothing of the sort except having an issue with your posting style which others object too as well.
Tenez, dont label me a Nadal fanatic, I have given no evidence of that.
You and I both know what happened in 606 and how you crossed the line...

Here's a challenge - why dont you just stop your incessant anti-Nadalism so we can have some decent discussions in here?

Yes?

[lydian]

Fair enough Hobo.

[Tom_____]

Lydian and all others please take note.

We do not want anyone to leave this forum. However, we are not going to pander to peoples threats of walking if people arent dealt with.

We have rules in place and we aim to enforce them.

If someone is acting in a wum fashion, then they will be dealt with.

We have made the rules quite clear and are monitoring the situation. Everyone needs to take responsibility - if you believe that someone is breaking the rules, then please let the mod and admin team know about it.

However, if you do report something, wait for it to be dealt with. DO NOT make the matter worse by responding.

We want everyone to enjoy themselves. This is improving very difficult on this section due to peoples strong opinions and others sensitive nature. We are trying to run a fair forum with set rules - if anyone has any further comments, you know who your moderators are or you can PM the admin team.

The other day Jubb said posts describing Nadal as a moonballer would be moderated - is this the case or not?

Can you also delete the smileys you glued to my earlier post please. I don't see how you can expect anyone to abide by rules on here when you happily alter some ones post to suit yourself.

[Haddie-nuff]

Lydian dont you dare go DO YOU HEAR ME ... dont you dare

P l e e z e .. The "pain" is only bearable when you are around

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