It is a bad mistake to close a thread....

[Tenez]

First topic message reminder :

....Because people disagree about tennis matter. Be careful not to over moderate this forum. As far as I could read, there was no insults, no sexism, racial abuse and that should be the only concern of the mods.

We all come from 606 for its good and its bad, most of us would still be there if it wasn;t for its closure.

[laverfan]

"I call him an old fuddy duddy (behind his back) and then go and listen to some Jethro Tull together."

I am glad to have another Tull fan on 606v2.

[Guest]

For those using the "foe" button unfortunately it doesn't work. I tried it yesterday and it doesn't hide comments.

[Tenez]

Hey, Haddie-nuff, are you Deecoco? I mean Spain and all that....

Oh yeah she is! The one and only...

[wow]

This is the funniest thread I have read in long time. I think mods, admins and the posters are doing everything right.

It feels good to be part of 606v2.

[Wooffie]

It is with utter dismay that I read this chaos that has erupted on here today. Its quite laughable really ... because this is the "genteel" sport of tennis that we're all supposed to be talking about.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see what is wrong here.

There are those hell bent on re-creating 606 because that is what they love and thrive and feed on, and it has got ****** all to do with tennis. There is no chance of "just ignoring it", as it pollutes every single thread on here.

And I am sorry for the founder, and admins and mods because its a thankless task and an unpaid job, and I'm also sorry for the vast, vast majority of people who come on here because posting about a game they like is all they want to do.

I mean ... I could write tomes ... but I couldn't care less now or even be bothered. Off you go ... do with this forum what you will. And the quote of the day is this ..

Don't worry. I won't do create another account. I'd simply join another forum and try to pump life into it, like I did here.

That says it all ... Good-night.

[socal1976]

Lets all just step back take a breath I think the mods are doing a good job of trying to strike a balance here. And I would hope everyone would use courtesy to other posters and show some respect for the great athletes and players that we have the privelege of watching. Everybody lets just remember its a game, and we are all here because it is meant to be fun.

[Jarvik]

Like I said - 606 is alive and well UNFORTUNATELY

What, the 606 you were a regular contributor to?

I really don't see why debate or contrary views must be stated in non-inflammatory language. I'm not talking offensive abuse but there is surely a danger here of over sanitisation. This is a forum not a fan club. It's a given we all follow tennis. Who could possibly take real offence to the likes of Unbiased Educator, Jewel of East etc? Amusing idiots perhaps, wums surely but it's up to others, and reality itself, to take care of opinions such as theirs. I used to enjoy going on the old site after, say, a big win by Federer, to see what some of these characters had to say for themselves!

A prescription such as "Treat others as you would want to be treated" which seems to be a position statement of v2 strikes me as inappropriate. What if a poster likes a light-hearted debate about the respective qualities of a top player? Or wants to forcefully put down the playing style of a rival player? We all set the bar differently when it comes to being annoyed or taking offence at ott views, but why should site moderation be set at the lowest level? If someone wants to make a habit of referring to Federer as a shanking has-been from a weak era then this really shouldn't be subject to moderation just because it's a silly wind-up.

I understand a number of fans on 606 were increasingly bitter about the constant rafa/roger bashing and other 'wum' posts. (wum - such a bbcism). But all forums descend/ascend into conflict to some degree. Let's face it, we're following fierce competitors, let's not sanitise the followers too much for following suit.

Obviously there's a balance to be made but please let's not drive away all the Dennis the Menaces or else we'll have a forum full of Walter the Softies and that really will miss the point of why 606 was so important - because of it's badness as well as its goodness!

[sportslover]

Lets all just step back take a breath I think the mods are doing a good job of trying to strike a balance here. And I would hope everyone would use courtesy to other posters and show some respect for the great athletes and players that we have the privelege of watching. Everybody lets just remember its a game, and we are all here because it is meant to be fun.

Agree - If you want to continue with the wumming and attract the wrong type of poster I would suggest ja606 or something similar would suit some of the old 606 posters.

606 went downhill when the maronic posters started appearing and because of lack of proper moderation started the downhill slide.

So yes 696v2 keep up the good work and this will not happen here.

[Tenez]

Good post Jarvik. What was your pseudo on 606?

[Tenez]

Lets all just step back take a breath I think the mods are doing a good job of trying to strike a balance here. And I would hope everyone would use courtesy to other posters and show some respect for the great athletes and players that we have the privelege of watching. Everybody lets just remember its a game, and we are all here because it is meant to be fun.

Agree - If you want to continue with the wumming and attract the wrong type of poster I would suggest ja606 or something similar would suit some of the old 606 posters.

606 went downhill when the maronic posters started appearing and because of lack of proper moderation started the downhill slide.

So yes 696v2 keep up the good work and this will not happen here.

But SL, despite the wumming you were one of the most regular in 606 so clearly the wums did not bother you as much? In fact you were almost always responding to their baiting instead of ignoring them.

Am I wrong?

[Guest]

This isn't 606. This is a new site run and managed by different people. We give up our free time to run this site and will not allow wums to spoil it for the members. Banter is one thing, but trolls and wums will be dealt with.

[eirebilly]

This site is nowhere near as bad as the 606 was. There are a few notorious WUMs missing on here which is a good thing.

Personally i feel that this site is well run and kept pretty much in order, people just should'nt take too much to heart. I very rarely posted on the tennis 606 due to some really shocking posters but i feel alot more comfortable posting here.

[wow]

This isn't 606. This is a new site run and managed by different people. We give up our free time to run this site and will not allow wums to spoil it for the members. Banter is one thing, but trolls and wums will be dealt with.

Superlike

[sportslover]

Tenez most of the tennis fans on 606 responded to the wums (I would call a lot of them maronic idiots) to defend a particular player, and as you yourself well know being involved in numerous " debates" or wind ups involving a certain Rafa Nadal!

However the main thing is if they aren't there in the first place there is no need for any response.

I still think that this forum has got the balance right and if it keeps the posting to genuine tennis fans and avoids the "maronics" then there shouldn't be a problem.

OK one has to be able to accept criticism on a particular player but without the character assassination just because one doesn't like that particular person!

[Tenez]

Sure having 5 threads of Murray bashing is not very helpful.

However I maintain that I prefer to read some substance in a wumming way than absurdities from posters who take themselves seriously (I don't count you as one of them of course ) and there are a few around.

[eirebilly]

The one thing that always annoyed me was when posters slated players for their personality. Most sportsmen/women have an on court personality and an off court personality so it really drove me mad when people attacked players for that when they dont know them personally.

[Guest]

The big point here is that the majority rule in accordance with the regulations.

Most of us like to discuss differing opinions, we like to talk about players, their styles, their losses and wins, what we think of them and how we perceive the difference between all our opinions and to discuss them in a civilised manner.

But, as posters, respect is the first thing we should all think about when we comment on a public space such as this.

A lot of us have come from 606 and we know what we want from a site that talks about sport. We also know what we don't want........

Antagonism
Insults
Lies
Deceipt
Winding up people
Name calling
Derision
Personal asides

Quite a few more probably, but the point is this, imagine a forum without moderation and a forum with total moderation. If you can find a place with the moderation in the middle and with decent rules and regulations then I believe that is what V2 is.

If you prefer to have complete freedom of speech without any restrictions, then obviously, V2 is not for you. There is either moderation or there is not.

We are trying to strike a balance between free flowing narrative and allowing a certain amount of controversial postings without people upsetting other posters because they deem to have the freedom to do so without thought or feeling for others on this forum.

Again, this is a public forum not a privately select, invited members only site and as such it is down to the founders of this site to run it as they see fit, for the appreciation and enjoyment of its contributors.

Of course this will not be liked by everyone, but as Hero has said many times, this is not 606, it is 606"V2", a better version that tries to cater for as many people as it can, and this is not always possible, we all have different views, but the main thing is we have all had to bend our contributory habits on here to fit in with the sites vision. The "majority" of posters have done that and are happy most of the time with what the Admins are trying to do here and I'm afraid it ain't going to change for a few posters who think that we are over-moderating.

Thats the way it is, and that is the way the site has been set up.

Feel free to moan about it, if enough people join in, then I'm sure the Admins will look at it and think about making small changes here and there.

But respect people, respect, without it we have anarchy and the site will plunge into tribalism and will fail as a soapbox to express our feelings in a civil manner. If anyone feels the necessity to argue a point in a belligerent, insulting manner or in a malicious way, they will have to think about joining some other forum, we don't want that here, simple really.


https://www.606v2.com/t1019-site-rules


These are the rules you agreed to when you signed up, these are the rules you must adhere to when you post, its not rocket science is it.

[Jarvik]

I'm sorry but there is a wealth of difference between respect for others and tribalism/anarchy. Respect is not what I used to feel when I read the views of Icecold and their ilk. I was often annoyed at their provocations and childish insults to players and their followers. But while I don't respect some posters I respect their right to be part of the mix - within reason.

Speaking as a moderator myself, albeit not on this site, there is no perfect way of drawing the line, no exact science to blocking annoying or wind-up posts. In that regard v2 is not ‘better’ than 606 just different. Respect for others should not be the ultimate criterion to judge whether a post be permitted, any more than should potential offence over-ride other considerations. If the general feeling is that the likes of AIR and Catalan Power took up too much space on the old site then amen to that – but to keep such voices out altogether will ultimately be counter-productive for what I hope aspires to be a lively and fun discussion forum.

[djlovesyou]

Hilarious thread.

I just want to know what word replaces a rather successful tennis player. (I did preview, I can see now)

I'm often offended on these tennis threads too. I perhaps cry 3 or 4 times a day reading them.

Here are a list of words I want replacing with something a little more acceptable:

Shanky
Paraguay
British Wildcard
Bagel
Henmania
Hopman Cup
David Cup
Pee in a cup
Mardy Fish.

Thanks for listening mods.

[socal1976]

Every time you write cr** it comes out as rudey poo. I find that very amusing as well.

[graf_the_greatest]

The moderators/admin team are a little more draconian than I was hoping for but on the plus side they do at least communicate with us which is more than they ever did on 606. All you'd ever get from them was a warning e-mail without any explanation. So there are positives.

[socal1976]

I think the mods are doing a good job but I also think Graf that they should ligthen up a little and let posters ignore some of the posts and people who they find annoying.

[Wooffie]

Having to ignore posts and people they find annoying results in non-participance on the tennis forum because is seems like every article is awash with it.

[Davie]

So you are saying that as long as everyone agrees with you it's all fine?

[CaledonianCraig]

There is a difference in disagreeing and being a downright wind-up merchant though Davie. I have disagreed with people on here and move on but a wind-up merchant won't let disagreements or dislikes they have drop and so lower the tone of the forum in my opinion.

[legendkillar]

Davie you are missing the point she is making. She is saying on previous experience like so many users here, that there are people who persistently write articles with the intention to wind people up and even comment on threads to wind people up. Thus in the end people give either commenting or writing threads because they know that they will be the subject of annoying genuine tennis fans.

[Haddie-nuff]

Davie you are missing the point she is making. She is saying on previous experience like so many users here, that there are people who persistently write articles with the intention to wind people up and even comment on threads to wind people up. Thus in the end people give either commenting or writing threads because they know that they will be the subject of annoying genuine tennis fans.

I am going to have to agree..Ignoring someone who is persistently wumming is not the answer in my view and so because Ive been reprimanded on more than one occasion I find it best not to participate in the discussion at all... when in doubt say nought and I cant get into trouble any more. Getting rid of the symptom rather than the cause. So the wums take over yet again.

[yummymummy]

As far as I am concerned there is only one fly in the ointment
(so far) Haddie !

The Mods will do whatever is necesarry to restore the equalibrium
of the tennis thread I am sure

[Haddie-nuff]

Yummy ... I sincerely hope so... It would be a shame to see this forum degenerate into another 606. We have some absolutely super, sensible, well balanced and knowledgeable poster on here.. who whether they dislike a player or no discuss tennis. If the forum could be allowed to run without all that wumming there would be very little moderating to do. And what a friendly place it would be

[cats_r_cool]

It was, shall we say, a little hostile earlier in the week but seems to have calmed down now thankfully. I've ventured away from the Rafa thread for a good read and see lots of good discussions going

[yummymummy]

We iz really friendly on the tennis forum cats-r-cool

Unless we Rrrrrrrrroused

[Haddie-nuff]

It is nice to roam the threads and make a comment here or there.. not wise and informative as some of our knowledgeable posters, but nice to have a little say without being jumped on... shouldn´t have to be locked up in our "fan cages" because we are scared to say something.
Anyroad up peace prevails and long may it do so

[cats_r_cool]

Agree Haddie. I don't claim to know how strings affect play and such like but love reading what those that do know about all that stuff have to say, and it's nice to do so without having your blood pressure go through the roof.

[sportslover]

I think in fairness 606v2 is certainly better than 606 ever was and the moderation seems to be fairly balanced so far.

I think the message is there for any "nasty wummery" i.e. for those intent on doing this not to bother as they will be wasting their time.

[yummymummy]

Amen Sister

I iz neither wise nor informative

DON'T ALL AGREE AT ONCE

:run1:

[lydian]

Yep, the forum should be open for all and not feel you have to defend your opinion or support of any one player in the face of continual scepticism. It was a little uglier in the week on here and I recognise I was part of that dialogue. However, I just felt I had to take a stand was all - and I'm sorry if my part in that led to anyone feeling they couldnt openly venture into the main part of the board. That would never be my intention, after all this forum is for everyone to contribute, and feel they can contribute, equally. It's been alot calmer the past couple of days, long may that continue... 8)

[Haddie-nuff]

Yummy..... come back your in good company

[cats_r_cool]

Yummy

Well done to your boy on his win by the way

[Haddie-nuff]

Yep, the forum should be open for all and not feel you have to defend your opinion or support of any one player in the face of continual scepticism. It was a little uglier in the week on here and I recognise I was part of that dialogue. However, I just felt I had to take a stand was all - and I'm sorry if my part in that led to anyone feeling they couldnt openly venture into the main part of the board. That would never be my intention, after all this forum is for everyone to contribute, and feel they can contribute, equally. It's been alot calmer the past couple of days, long may that continue... 8)

Dont apologise Lydian... your presence was most welcome and reassuring... and dont you ever threaten to leave us again YOU HEAR MY BOY

[cats_r_cool]

Crikey Lydian, don't apologise. You're a hero Many a time I was like, 'yeah, go Lydian'.

Must :run2: Rafa is playing.....

[cats_r_cool]

Haddie just beat me to it!!

[lydian]

Haddie and cats_r_cool, lol, many thanks for that

And promise no more 'threats'

[yummymummy]

Yep, the forum should be open for all and not feel you have to defend your opinion or support of any one player in the face of continual scepticism. It was a little uglier in the week on here and I recognise I was part of that dialogue. However, I just felt I had to take a stand was all - and I'm sorry if my part in that led to anyone feeling they couldnt openly venture into the main part of the board. That would never be my intention, after all this forum is for everyone to contribute, and feel they can contribute, equally. It's been alot calmer the past couple of days, long may that continue... 8)

The one true voice of reason on a certain forum is now HERE !!!

[MTS1]

I'm just back from holiday and have only just read much of what's gone on. I think it is encouraging that there are many mods/admin etc who are about as 606 appeared to have been lacking in that area. I haven't posted for a while but knew when 606 closed the level of input on here would rocket but I enjoy healthy debate. I also enjoy reading what the more knowledgable posters post as I watch tennis as a hobby and enjoy watching all the players, not just my favourite players and the information posted lets me understand the game a bit more.

[sportslover]

Could it be we have a wum free Wimbledon.

As a Murray supporter I usually stayed away as it was "open season" for all the football wums to come over and post the usual rubbish.

I do think (hope!) that that is a thing of the past and that ALL the players will get respect win or lose.

[legendkillar]

I am loving the love in the thread

[lydian]

lol LK, yes funny how this thread that started out life as a challenge to the mods has become a place of solitude and haven of brotherly and sisterly love...where there's a will, there's a way... 8)

[cats_r_cool]

Think we need a group

[legendkillar]

[Wooffie]

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