The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

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Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the Lionel Nallet photo on the bar. That's a banning offence

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

2 questions:

- why are people saying Manu T is a bollix? and
- is there any question that Healy's eye injury was caused by dark deeds from an English player?

Genuine questions from an interested fan who didn't see the game, though I've skimmed the highlights.

I think they're calling him a bollix as he injured Wally even if it wasn't intentional,also I don't know about the Healy injury.

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Thanks Thomond.

It's bit harsh to call someone a bollix because he is involved in a tackle which accidentally leads someone to fall awkwardly and be injured. The tackle looked ok to me if a bit messy and, in the absence of any official complaint from the Irish RFU, seems to have been one accepted by all parties as just of those things. Hardly the stuff of which a bollix is made? But I feel strongly the RWC as a whole - not just Ireland - will be the poorer for the absence of Wallace, an outstanding player.

As for the Healy injury, if by any chance it is shown that foul play by an individual English player was at the heart of the issue, I as an English fan would wish to see that player banned for a lot longer than just the upcoming RWC.

Probably won't come to that but I just thought I'd slip that in, as well as the genuine tribute to D Wallace, to show that not all us English are the cheating, moaning one eyed Devil Incarnate some on these Boards make us out to be.

Simon - don't take it too seriously. Someone has to be to blame in these things...it's an outlet for frustration and disappointment, and Tuilagi is the obvious target. I don't think there's anything else in it though.

Thanks Cari, but I still think it's a bit harsh to tag a player with such a label if he has the misfortune to be the accidental instrument of another's serious injury.

This is rugby. It's a tough game and, however fit and well tuned the players, sh1t sometimes will happen. It's desperately bad luck on Wallace, Ireland and true rugby lovers, in that order. But it's a slippery slope we find ourselves on if we start to slag off a player because we feel someone has to be held to blame every time a player is seriously injured.

Bollix isn't as strong a word as you are deeming it to be,it was more out frustration than blame.

Simon, like I said, it's not to be taken seriously at all. If you read through the threads that were ongoing during the game yesterday, no one was having a go at Tuilagi when the incident happened. Most of the fans here know that sort of thing is part and parcel of rugby.

Anyway, I think perhaps this conversation is appropriate on another thread.

Ok, I'll drop it.

On another note, therefore, well done Australia for spicing up the RWC yesterday, to England for finally laying their longstanding Dublin bogey, and good luck to all 4 sides who'll represent these islands at the forthcoming RWC.

Cheers all. I'm off.

Yeah the Aussie match was superb yesterday. Certainly makes the WC interesting....

Well Dublin are in the final,they too play defensive football,but Kerry V Dublin should make for a better spectacle.

THE DUBS ARE IN THE FINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cari,head over for it! Tickets are always available,Kado and myself should steer you in the right spot to secure them.

SimonofSurrey wrote:2 questions:

- why are people saying Manu T is a bollix? and
- is there any question that Healy's eye injury was caused by dark deeds from an English player?

Genuine questions from an interested fan who didn't see the game, though I've skimmed the highlights.

Manu is a Bollix for the same reason Ashton and Banahan are Bollix - they behave like overgrown schoolboys...oh no! My protest! Argh!

Dreamer.

Dim probs Glas.

I don't recall anyone in here calling Manu ah bollix because of a tackle but guess people will read things as they want to.

Just finished listening to Man U v Arsenal on the radio. Needless to say I'm very happy and my poor Dad really isn't!

Have had a lovely day today, plus my grandparents came over and brought loads of food and treats with them so all wonderful. Hope everyone else has been having a great weekend too

Bollix is a strong word in Britain... they are very funny about swearing in England especially. In Ireland, we are very much more liberal with our language. Bollix ranges from an expression of frustration to a term of affection.

I would affectionately refer to my Dad as a wee bollix on occassion for instance. Thats not the way Willy meant it but it should just be construed as "I dislike that particular player and I'm disappointed that injury has resulted from the actions of said player"

Manu is a bollix full stop. No argument.

Your weekend sounds lovely Dreamer Mine improved when the Dubs won the semi - wasn't a great game though to be fair, but a win's a win.

Notch - erm, that's what I was trying to explain...bollix seems to be a term of endearment over there.

Yes , I am constantly greeted by close friends in Dublin by "How you doin ya Dutch bollix ya?" Lovely. We use cursing in a completely different way, than the more linguistically prudish UK. They are only words. Why are people afraid of words? To be afraid of them or making them taboo... arms them. To use them frequently disarms them. Like Brit. That was a bad word in NI & Ireland, until the British started using it themselves in media. Some of my black friends call each other the N word all the time. I do too. But they know me. Its all about context,inclination and familiarity. There is no such thing as BAD language in the right context. Innit?

No, context is of course important in everything. It's very much the same with mates. Sometimes we have post-sectarian banter between those of us from different sides of the community. This is commonplace. Obviously this requires we know each other quite well.

Also, Leinster have stated that their two Saffers did make some comments which were 'misinterpreted' by Mujati.

Leinster Rugby acknowledge that there was an exchange during the match between two Leinster players which was misinterpreted...

So, really hard to know whether they are being honest about their intentions or not. We'll probably never know. I guess that's the end of it. No real way of knowing whether it was a genuine misunderstanding or not.

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/newsroom/8329.php

Yeah but Gibbo you ARE a bollix

Huh? So they're saying that something that shouldn't have been said was said but misunderstood?

ooooh! Just seen an advert for Y Clwb Rygbi on S4C. Can't believe it all kicks off next week!!!!!!!!!!!! I've missed rugby.

A rabid Rangers (and Orangeman) friend of mine over here, have freaked the Clogs out with that a few times. We start a pretend row over the pool table and imaginary death threats are made. You'd want to see their faces. Oh how we laughed.

Cari wrote:Yeah but Gibbo you ARE a bollix

This is very true pal. And an aul grumpy bollix at that. I'm Black and I'm Proud today. The Dubs have made the All Ireland Final for the 1st time since 1995. Deep Joy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtEKUWRpUWg

Did you watch it though? Not a great game...still a win's a win

If I could, I'd be there for the final meself.

Notch wrote:Also, Leinster have stated that their two Saffers did make some comments which were 'misinterpreted' by Mujati.

Leinster Rugby acknowledge that there was an exchange during the match between two Leinster players which was misinterpreted...

So, really hard to know whether they are being honest about their intentions or not. We'll probably never know. I guess that's the end of it. No real way of knowing whether it was a genuine misunderstanding or not.

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/newsroom/8329.php

I'd say they had a personal word and cleared it up. Only way for men to really sort things out. However, it should be a good warning to any others, who may just lose their cool and say something untoward even in a jokey way. But it goes on all the time and most ignore it. Due to the SA players selection background, Notch alluded to earlier, I can see where this could have been escalated. Respect costs nowt. Im glad Leinster and Saints have sorted it out quickly and didn't let it fester. There was great respect between both sets of fans in Cardiff, before and after the game. Long may that reign.

Cari wrote:Did you watch it though? Not a great game...still a win's a win

If I could, I'd be there for the final meself.

I didn't C. Bro-in-law had me watching some soccer game. Manure vs Arrsenil. Not bad. Not bad at all.
Curry time.

I find it highly patronising the way you lot refer to the UK as if it was some homogenous mass. The use of swear words as endearment is common in every part of the "UK". For example Cofis (Caernarfon people) call each other Cont and think nothing of it.

We're referring to the ruling classes of Britain, which is to say, the South of England.

Ah Glas, I was expecting that. Trust you to pick up on it. Its true. The Welsh(broken down by area/region), Geordies, Cockneys, Norn-Irish, West Country, Brummies, Glaswegians, Skousers et al, all have an individually great self-effacing sense of humour. I love it. Love the regional differences that make up the YUK and Ireland. The very spice of Life.

To think, that Maggie Thatcher wanted to enforce pronounced- English as the standard in Britain in the education system not so long ago. That woman was mad.

Notch wrote:We're referring to the ruling classes of Britain, which is to say, the South of England.

What! Rant, fume!



Gibbo, ti'n iawn Cont?

A cofi once told me that this was his idea of a good Saturday night:

Cwrw cont, curry cont, feit cont.

Cwrw is beer, you can work the other two out.

We really need a fishing emoticon on this site

True though, is the worst part

Notch wrote:We're referring to the ruling classes of Britain, which is to say, the South of England.

I'm from the South of England, does this mean I'm in charge Notch ya wee bollix?

Howdy all

Have seen no rugby yet this weekend, probably watch the England game in a bit. Love it when people from other countries dislike England players, as it generally happens when one of them has inflicted defeat on their team.

Had a lovely day out at Bristol Zoo today anyway.

And finally...


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That's better, I feel a sort of inner peace now...

LDCPete wrote:

Notch wrote:We're referring to the ruling classes of Britain, which is to say, the South of England.

I'm from the South of England, does this mean I'm in charge Notch ya wee bollix?

Howdy all

Have seen no rugby yet this weekend, probably watch the England game in a bit. Love it when people from other countries dislike England players, as it generally happens when one of them has inflicted defeat on their team.

Had a lovely day out at Bristol Zoo today anyway.

And finally...


Flip Poopie Kumquat soloist Love sacks!!!


That's better, I feel a sort of inner peace now...

So true. Go Pete!

Evenin All.

Off work until Thursday...what to do what to do...

Evening Gibbo

How goes it me old mukka?

Evening Cari

Always nice having a week off, hopefully it will be nice for you.

Well it was a nice day today, bar a couple of sudden downpours. I'm going to have a bit of a clear out I think, take some stuff up to the charidee shop.

Glad to see you had a lovely family weekend. You off tomorrow too?

Yeah, back to work Tuesday, hopefully tomorrow will be nice as want to mow the garden as it looks like a forest at the moment.

LDCPete wrote:
Howdy all

Have seen no rugby yet this weekend, probably watch the England game in a bit. Love it when people from other countries dislike England players, as it generally happens when one of them has inflicted defeat on their team.

Had a lovely day out at Bristol Zoo today anyway.

And finally...


Flip Poopie Kumquat soloist Love sacks!!!


That's better, I feel a sort of inner peace now...

Well said Pete.

Did you manage to swap the kids for some good animals at the zoo

Ah...cutting the grass....so glad I live in a flat when it comes to that.

Just watching a programme with Ross Kemp about football hooligans in Poland. It's ridiculous over there and they're supposed to be hosting some european football next year.

I was tempted notts, especially when stood by the gorilla enclosure and the youngest was shouting 'IN' and trying to climb over the barrier.

Never been to Bristol Zoo before, really enjoyed it, great for the kids.

LDCPete wrote:

Notch wrote:We're referring to the ruling classes of Britain, which is to say, the South of England.

I'm from the South of England, does this mean I'm in charge Notch ya wee bollix?

It's not for me to imply the Metropolitan Police have a role to play in enforcing the status quo

I've never been to a zoo. well I went to Manor Park when I was akid which had some animals, nothing exotic though.

I have not been to Bristol Zoo but have been a couple of times to Longleat it's a brilliant day out there.

Notch wrote:

LDCPete wrote:

Notch wrote:We're referring to the ruling classes of Britain, which is to say, the South of England.

I'm from the South of England, does this mean I'm in charge Notch ya wee bollix?

It's not for me to imply the Metropolitan Police have a role to play in enforcing the status quo

To be fair I like a bit of 'Rocking all over the world' Nothc, but I wouldn't force Rossi and Parfitt on the masses!

Evenin nice people. Ah ye goys have a Bank Holiday weekend ja? My life has turned into a feicin perpetual Bank Holiday and I need to change that. Miss weekends being weekends ya know?

Pete, I have the sis and bro-in-law staying. Good people. Nice to spend time with them. He's a real soccer-head (Liverpool to the core) and had an eye on the rugby with me yesterday. Man, he came out with some innocent comments which had me searching. Good to hear his perspective. Like. "So, why is dis bollix Kidney playing with no set pattern and the lads playing with no passion. What's goin on man?"

"Errrm. Dunno really Larry. Good question"

LDCPete wrote:

Notch wrote:

LDCPete wrote:

Notch wrote:We're referring to the ruling classes of Britain, which is to say, the South of England.

I'm from the South of England, does this mean I'm in charge Notch ya wee bollix?

It's not for me to imply the Metropolitan Police have a role to play in enforcing the status quo

To be fair I like a bit of 'Rocking all over the world' Nothc, but I wouldn't force Rossi and Parfitt on the masses!

That would be truly hardline policing

Yeah Gibbo it's a Bank Holiday here....hence I'm in here so late on a schoolie night.

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