Re: Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Can't see anything wrong with oil companies. Like every other business they are out to make money, but somehow it is frowned upon to make more than anyone else.
It is not the fault of the oil companies if there is future harm to the environment, as if there wasn't a demand or the product they wouldn't be continuing to invest in finding it. (if there even is an issue with the environment)
Oil companies probably put more money into alternatives than anyone else. Statoil in particular.

As for climate change, there is no doubt it is occurring, however considering the age of the earth is measured in billions of years and we are only able to go back as far as the last ice age (10-15000 years) to measure climate trends. I'm yet to be convinced of man's actual contribution. The number one greenhouse gas is not C02, CH4 or any other by product of our use, but infact naturally occuring water vapour, which our burning of fossil fuels barely make a dent in. Of course it's all about tolerances and thresholds, but with the likes of India, China and America being the worlds biggest polluters, I'm not going to feel guilty about European energy consumption. It seems very convenient that as people are reliant on fossil fuel then it is easy to tax it by both increasing it's price and the guilt associated with using it.

Anyway, all these lentil knitters who go on about the "evil" of oil have never ever given a viable alternative.
Personally I think Nuclear power is the way forward, but the uneducated hippies will never allow it.

[Diggers]

No I dont. There are plenty of other articles on the site not related to Woods. So if a Woods article gets a few people reading the board and they also read other articles then I dont see a problem.
We have had this all before, I dont see the BBC Golf board as providing an in depth service, in fact any of their sports boards. They have too much to cover, its just impossible. So they have to do the best they have with the resources available to them in terms of providing results and articles. Christ, I remember people moaning when Laird didnt get a mention when he was world number 376 and had just finished 43rd in some second rate PGA event. As if thats a practical level of coverage when they have so many sports to feature.
I think as a general sports website it is very good. If you in depth niche reporting then look elsewhere.

[McLaren]

The bbc sports website used to be great until they changed the look, not sure it works all that well.

[Diggers]

No, I agree Mac, not keen on the new look myself. Might be a bit of a case of just getitng used to how to navigate it best. Think its changed to match all the other BBC sites that already looked that way.

[kwinigolfer]

It looks like the site was designed by, well designers, and not by sports people.
The navigation has deteriorated and big stories (like Tiger) struggle to stand out.
The "Live" texts haven't been refreshing and the quality of journalism is plumbing new depths since they moved from London to Salford.
Trying to follow the footie is a nightmare.

Absolute dog's dinner and they need to go back to Go, fined $200.00.

[McLaren]

Has Carrick retired from international football? I just wasn't aware of a better central midfielder from England playing at the moment.

[kwinigolfer]

Agree Mac, Ridiculous not having him in the squad, should be in any first XI.

[Fader]

Has Carrick retired from international football? I just wasn't aware of a better central midfielder from England playing at the moment.

Really, Parker central midfield playing much better. Carrick is overrated and never performed at international level. Being one of the best for your club doesn't always equate to same for your country of which there are plenty of examples through out football especially english football

[McLaren]

Barry, downing, johnson and gerrard have hardly played well this season have they?

In fact when has downing ever played well?

You would be kidding yourself to think a good run of form from Parker puts him in the same class of player like a first choice man utd player like carrick.

And Walcott, bloody hell!!!!!!!

[super_realist]

Mac, it's just a friendly against Holland, not the European Championship squad.

[Fader]

Can't stand Walcott and i'd have parker in any team utd or england ahead of Carrick based on what he does for the team as a whole and how consistent he is every season compared to Carrick and end of day it's not about how you do for your club it's how you perform on the world stage and Carrick never has when given the chance. Even Walcott has done more for England and imo he's a one trick pony. Also to compare Carrick to Gerrard is a no brainer Gerard is far more versatile than Carrick.

Besides a friendly against Holland, who really cares.

[McLaren]

Put your hand up if you think a bill should be introduced proposing that a torrie government cannot change anything to do with the NHS?

[kwinigolfer]

No problem if they improve the NHS.

[McLaren]

Kwini

Are you still on those beers?

[kwinigolfer]

Not yet . . . . .
We have a local brew called the "Hibernator"; aptly named and very good!

NHS clearly better than anything in the U.S. - had to have some stitches in a cut a month or so back. Bills still coming in, $850.00 and counting for what was pretty much a botched job. And there's no recourse whatsoever.

Always was well served by the NHS and hope that it might become the poster child for excellence in health care that I'd imagine 99% of Britain wants it to be.

[navyblueshorts]

I think that Nasty Party are pretty horrendous in general and they're obviously making a complete arse of handling the NHS just now. Takes something to alienate the entire health professions in this country. Way to go Dave. Still, Labour's love-in with PFI will be scamming us and our children for years to come.

That said, there's a lot that could be better; mainly in the personnel and the way they treat the jobs they have. Having had some fun(!) with our twins the last three years, I can vouch for the acute care but the further away from the life/death situation you get, the worse (in general) the care is. Don't get me started on post-hospital community health either....

[puligny]

Who lit the blue touch paper on the NHS? "there will be no top down reorganisation of the NHS" ( no lips Cameron) "this reorganisation is so big you can see it from space" (CEO NHS). It's the most bizarre waste of money time energy and effort!! Wrong changes at the wrong time. I'd better stop now this could get messy!!!!!!!

[navyblueshorts]

It's messy already puligny! The clinicians/GPs etc I know via work and golf are pretty much unanimous that it's a pile of doo-doo for a whole load of reasons.

There's not a lot worse than politicians on a dogmatic crusade who refuse to reconsider something because they think they'll lose face. Idiots.

[puligny]

NBS - I sense we are as one on this! Mind you bar one Tory chum who would happily back anything they say, do etc I am struggling to find anyone who thinks this particular exercise is anything other than a total disaster. I have kept my mp busy with a steady flow of emails etc and have only received platitudes, dogma and gibberish in return. The whole thing beggars belief and I struggle to believe it can't be stopped.
I am not against change - but this is inept. Driven by dogma and the only beneficiaries will be the likes of KPMG etc who are already lining up to manage the so called GP commissioning.

[Doon the Water]

I wonder how many Lib Dem MPs will jump ship to Tory before the next election?

The Labour councillors in Glasgow have already jumped to SNP. Who would ever have thought that Glasgow would not be run by Labour.

[GG]

Put your hand up if you think a bill should be introduced proposing that a torrie government cannot change anything to do with the NHS?

+1

[McLaren]

Not this agian;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17229009

seems people still cant accept obama is american.

[navyblueshorts]

What a cretin. He's 79 for goodness sake, he's obviously a tinny short of a six-pack and why he's still employed as a Sheriff is anyone's guess.

[Doon the Water]

Sports Relief.

That really annoying little horror on the advert has really put me off contributing this year. [and no it's not Garry Lin-acher]

[Diggers]

I'd give more to charity if they promised never to have any more sports relief or so called comic relief shows. They are very bad indeed, especially if they involve the fat smug expletive that is James Corden.

[Doon the Water]

He would make a good England soccer manager though Diggers.

[Diggers]

He'd make a better punch bag Doon.

[McLaren]

But diggers they mean we get to see the bbc news women in all their glory.

[Fader]

All forms of telefon that feel the need to put rubbish on the goggle box in order to eek money out of the public should be banned.

I'm all for charity and do believe the funds for comic and sports relief go to good causes, I just don't think there is the need for the contrived tripe they put on our screens to get it. They'd be better off with a few short films about the travel to these locations showing what's needed and how it can be changed.

No need for Linekar, Cordon, Lenny Henry, Ade Edmonson or anyone to fill airtime with nonsense tv, we get enough of that for our licence fees.

[Diggers]

You can argue charities are part of the problem, UK ones anyway. Why should people be raising money for ambulances etc when the govt have money got spurious occupations and nuclear subs.
Maybe we should be demanding out monies are spent in a suitable manner. Having to contribute cash to pay for NHS services and playground equipment etc is effectively additional taxation.

[Fader]

Diggers:

I'd agree with every word you have written there. Our taxes and N.I contributions should be paying for NHS, ambulance services etc and feel the constant things shaken under my nose for air ambulances etc are the singly most awful charities as these are things we should have already paid for and have with our taxes.

When I was a child I was unforntunate enough to require growth hormone injections from guys hopsital, now I had these for 8 years they are not cheap but they were through the nhs. My parents cost was to see me go through varying operations and the amount it cost in constant travel to London. They never sought assistance for funding anything as I am their son, they merely accepted that they had to pay out for certain things because you just do that for your kids.

Fast forward about 16years from my last appointment under Guys hospital, its now Guys and St Thomas' kids needing same treatments as I got have parents setting up charities in their names to seek additional funding for their treatments! Well more for their travel and overnight stay expenses because the treatment is still on the NHS, yet they recoup thousands a year in donations for costs and that goes where! I don't know but one thing is for certain its not on treatments like those donating are led to believe, I know this because as a result of what I went through my mother ended up retraining and going to work with them and still does to this day and is a specialist nurse in growth problems now.

[Doon the Water]

Watching the TV series on the NHS it is amazing how things have progressed in the last 50 years.
Looking back things were not as rosey as some of us auldies sometimes make out.
My Mrs had breast cancer when she was 39 and her chances of survival were rated as 40/60. She received very good private treatment for 18 months then back on the NHS. It was the same surgeon which was a blessing but the hospital treatment was chalk and cheese. I remember waiting three and a half hours one day for an appointment. All the patients were booked in for 2pm appointments, sometimes up to a dozen patients. Usually seen in alphabet order and we were a W.

When she recovered she set up the Wiltshire branch of Breakthrough breast Cancer which has raised over £1m in 15 years.

[kwinigolfer]

AVB out at Stamford Bridge.

[McLaren]

Even for chelsea that seems a little rash. When will they ever let a manager build a team?

If I were a chelsea fan I would hope that Terry, lampard and few more of the old guard will be following AVB. Cant imagine a group of players dictating to the manager at old trafford.

[super_realist]

Football, footballers, football managers and above all football supporters are becoming increasingly irksome. The sooner the sport does a 'Rangers' the better.

[kwinigolfer]

Mac,
Unfortunately, or fortunately for the rest of us, AVB was too young to clear out his own age group. And looked like he went about it in completely the wrong way.
Get rid of players you don't think have what you want, but don't let them fester on the bench.
A lesson in any type of management, if you don't communicate what you're doing.

[Diggers]

The problem being I doubt he was given the opportunity to clear out the old guard. Lampard etc all too matey with Roman for they to ever happen.
Better lesson would be never take a job unless you are the one in full control.

[Diggers]

Nice to see Fulham stuff Wolves. Hopefully Wolves will be down this year, never a club I've liked whereas always had a soft spot for Fulham and have played at Craven Cottage...very badly in a pony 5 a side event, but was still good fun.

[kwinigolfer]

Sorry to see Fulham stuff Wolves. Always had a soft spot for Wolves though never played there (a work game on Cradley Heath's ground as close as I got), hope they acquire some fortitude or they'll be goners.
Not as bad as my beloved PFC though.

[Diggers]

Wolves and a couple of rubbish small north western towns going down, don't care which ones really, will do for me.

[oldparwin]

Does anyone really think that the FA will be so stupid as to appoint Redknap as England Manager, I mean he has left a trail of dodgy dealings with every club he has been with??

[kwinigolfer]

Mandaric and Redknapp financial greed/dyslexia, aided and abetted by the Football/Premier Leagues, largely responsible for PFC's current plight. Looting in broad daylight.

[Diggers]

Oldparwin , I don't think anyone thinks he won't be appointed. And let's face it the England job is one where dodgy financial dealings don't come into it, it's all about the coaching and management.
They said was good to see a predominantly Engish side in Man Utd stuff Spurs. Hart for De Gea, Cole for Evra, Lescott and Richards to come in..not a bad young side if Wilshire could get fit.

[kwinigolfer]

Never thought I'd say these words:
"Come on Arsenal!". 2-0 after 25 minutes.

Come on Lucky Arsenal!!

[navyblueshorts]

Certainly would be some result if they could pull it off.

[kwinigolfer]

Bloody Hell!!

[McLaren]

Bloody hell alright. I was out so only just saw the score. what were they doing in the second half?

[kwinigolfer]

Ran out of gas. O-C apparent hamstrung in the first minute, Walcott off hobbled half way through - no pace left. Van Persie with a big miss but a sitter missed by ACM also.
Fair result, but exciting.
Alex Song had a shocker.

[Nay]

Milan improved greatly to be fair and controlled the last 25 Mins

[kwinigolfer]

Agreed, but perhaps because of all the above.

[Nay]

Agreed,

but also they knew if they could hang on arsenal would have to push even more, and they ended up just leaving massive gaps behind the midfield

I see our clubs are looking at opportunity of money raising friendly

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