The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub, Belfast

by Guest Wed 18 Apr 2012, 9:44 am

First topic message reminder :

Welcome to the Virtual Rugby Pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat. The pub has ventured to Belfast, as Red Stag is still struggling to come to terms with Munsters QF loss to Ulster Wink

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the pictures of Brian McLaughlin, John Hart, Duncan Bell, Michael Lynagh, Mick O'Driscoll, Deiniol Jones and Shane Williams.

Get well "Noddy" Lynagh - our thoughts are with you. Hug

Old Pub: https://www.606v2.com/t27620-the-dew-drop-inn-virtual-beach-leileifiafiafale-samoa

by red_stag Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:45 pm

Rava, loads of em.

One comment in particular used very strong language and was removed by moderators.

by Glas a du Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:46 pm

Hmmm? What do you reckon hazel or bamboo?

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:49 pm

perthshirepuma wrote:Evening, amigos. Back from a fine day in sunny (!) Oban. Saw some of Scarlets v Munster - exciting finish. Got Quins v Tigers recorded.

Did I understand that Kiwi has a press pass for the HC final and won't need Hound's spare ticket? Anyone know? My bro is coming to Twickers (look out, pub) and is on the lookout for a ticket.

Howya gorgeous. I think the Ound may still have that ticket. Whisky

It going to be a Leinster v Ospreys Grand Final btw. 2 best teams in the League meeting up. In fairness.

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:49 pm

This man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azB5wGPRcV0 invented it.Also this http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-the-coaches/09000d5d8226512b/Winner-winner

How do you put a link in a word by the way? I've forgotten.

Spoiler:

by Glas a du Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:51 pm

Right I'm going to say my bit, those of a sensitive disposition look away now.

I've never liked broad beans and I'm not going to plant any this year. I'm living on the edge with a second row of peas #musicalfruits.

by Rava Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:53 pm

A win tomorrow for Warriors should just about clinch it for them.

Pleased if that happens. This league needs successful Scottish teams to survive. Fact is Munster would have survived not qualifying so it would have been nice to have Scarlets in there this year. Still possible but they need Ulster to do them a favour Rolling Eyes

Apart from Glas A Du kiss

I cant think of any Scarlets fan who would have the nerve to ask that.

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:55 pm

Ronaldo outshines Messi as Madrid win in the Camp Nou. If you saw how they defended against Barca and against Bayern Munich, you would have thought there were two different Real sides playing.

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:56 pm

Glas a du wrote:Right I'm going to say my bit, those of a sensitive disposition look away now.

I've never liked broad beans and I'm not going to plant any this year. I'm living on the edge with a second row of peas #musicalfruits.

You mad impetuous basterd ya. I like yer style. But love broad beans. Ale

Just looking at the Welsh PRO12 roundup. Ulster v Leinster. How the feck did they award that Ulster try? NO try.

by Guest Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:57 pm

I don't think Alain cost us the game, but I take complete umbridge with anyone who.can say that was a decent refereeing display from him and his officials.

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:59 pm

Spoiler:

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 8:59 pm

Thomond wrote:Ronaldo outshines Messi as Madrid win in the Camp Nou. If you saw how they defended against Barca and against Bayern Munich, you would have thought there were two different Real sides playing.

My educated guess, is that Mourinho will have an even glummer fisog when Bayern dispatch them in Madrid. Too much nous for them.

Bayern v Barca Final. Save yer money. guinness

by Rava Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:01 pm

That was a game Scarlets should have won. They were the perpetrators of their own demise. They gave up possession do many times it was unreal. To blame the ref or his assistants would be very short sighted.

by MrsP Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:02 pm

Gibson wrote:
Glas a du wrote:Right I'm going to say my bit, those of a sensitive disposition look away now.

I've never liked broad beans and I'm not going to plant any this year. I'm living on the edge with a second row of peas #musicalfruits.

You mad impetuous basterd ya. I like yer style. But love broad beans.

Just looking at the Welsh PRO12 roundup. Ulster v Leinster. How the feck did they award that Ulster try? NO try.

You complaining about the officals Gibbo?

Whistle

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:02 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:I don't think Alain cost us the game, but I take complete umbridge with anyone who.can say that was a decent refereeing display from him and his officials.

Woooo. There's lovely. cider

Must hurt pal. But ye really have to learn to be smart and play the ref and what is in front of ye. And learn how to finish out a game. Its the same as last year.

Im a closet Scarlets fan. Wanted to see them do it. But IF they were my team, Id go mad with frustration.

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:03 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:I don't think Alain cost us the game, but I take complete umbridge with anyone who.can say that was a decent refereeing display from him and his officials.

Here we go..... Scarlets drew that game due to them playing "dumb footy" not because of the ref, marginal decisions hampered both sides.

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:06 pm

MrsP wrote:
Gibson wrote:
Glas a du wrote:Right I'm going to say my bit, those of a sensitive disposition look away now.

I've never liked broad beans and I'm not going to plant any this year. I'm living on the edge with a second row of peas #musicalfruits.

You mad impetuous basterd ya. I like yer style. But love broad beans.

Just looking at the Welsh PRO12 roundup. Ulster v Leinster. How the feck did they award that Ulster try? NO try.

You complaining about the officals Gibbo?

Yup. No try. And... we just cruised out there. It wasnt even close. We did what we had to do. No more. No less.

Best to be honest in these situations.

kiss

by MrsP Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:11 pm

by Guest Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:13 pm

Thomond wrote:
rugbydreamer wrote:I don't think Alain cost us the game, but I take complete umbridge with anyone who.can say that was a decent refereeing display from him and his officials.

Here we go..... Scarlets drew that game due to them playing "dumb footy" not because of the ref, marginal decisions hampered both sides.

Excuse me Thom, but wtf? I've just said I didn't think Alain cost us the game Rolling Eyes

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:15 pm

Im listening to a Cymru Game Show. Love the language. Its so sexy.

I think I may have understood a question.

Answers, are a long way away.

No change there then

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:15 pm

You still criticised the ref, when to be honest both sides could be annoyed with him.

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:17 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:
Thomond wrote:
rugbydreamer wrote:I don't think Alain cost us the game, but I take complete umbridge with anyone who.can say that was a decent refereeing display from him and his officials.

Here we go..... Scarlets drew that game due to them playing "dumb footy" not because of the ref, marginal decisions hampered both sides.

Excuse me Thom, but wtf? I've just said I didn't think Alain cost us the game

You didn' t either Dreamer. Have to understand that Munster fans are hurting too. This is the Cup of also-rans for them. It cuts deep.

I blame Ulster for that. And Leinster. Just sayin.

by Guest Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:18 pm

Then what the hell was that post of yours about then?

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:20 pm

I think my point is, that I have no beef with the ref but you and a large number of Welsh fans do, I don't see Munster fans complaining. This could get ugly, so I suggest we live it at that. Hug

Not talking about you here, but I don't understand some Scarlets/Welsh fans mentality when they complain about the ref rather than their own teams deficiencies.

by **Notch** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:20 pm

I didn't see the game, but good teams make the referee work for them. It's something Ulster comprehensively failed to do last night. Professional rugby is built on extracting the most from everything you can to win. You have to learn how to disrupt the other team and get away with it. The top teams must do so much analysis on referees- it's essential.

Thats why there can be no excuses for us if we lose to Edinburgh. We've had Roman Poite for two successive quarter-finals, at this point we should know him well enough to ensure when he blows his whistle it's in our benefit.

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:23 pm

Notch wrote:I didn't see the game, but good teams make the referee work for them. It's something Ulster comprehensively failed to do last night.

He knows ya know. Its that simple. How many times does it take to learn that lesson?

by **rodders** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:23 pm

Actually Notch after watching the game again I thought we got a fair deal last night from the ref.

Leinster were just far better at the breakdown.

by **Notch** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:26 pm

They were, it was an outstanding display by that Leinster backrow. Jennings and Heaslip wouldn't have improved it on the night. McLaughlin and Ryan were very good.

And it's strange, but it was the best game of the season by both Robbie Diack and Willie Faloon. Willie went out on a high, delighted to see that. Diack finally pulled the finger out!

by Guest Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:27 pm

Thomond theres only 'beef' because you are implying that I'm blsiming the officials for the loss when I've even gone out of my way to say I don't.

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:28 pm

Fair enough, for that I apologise, I'm obviously reading too much of the match thread.

Hope you accept the apology and move on.

by Glas a du Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:28 pm

Thomond is right, as is Stag. However I bet they are also relieved the boards aren't kicking off about how poor 'one man' Munster are at the moment, am I right? thumbsup

by Guest Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:30 pm

Aye Thom, sure, am just annoyed at my team is all. It was a hugely frustrating match to watch live.

by MrsP Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:31 pm

Did you really think Faloon was that good?

I agree on Diack. Best I've seen from him in a long time but I'm not sure about Faloon. Gave away a lot of pens although I think he last one was unfortunate. Ref seemed to indicate the scrum was over. Haven't watched the game back yet though and things always look different from the stand.

eg. I was convinced our last line out was straight last night but have seen that on telly since and it sooo wasn't!

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:33 pm

Glas, one man? If we are a one man team,O'Mahony is the guy. I though Munster did alright, we have a better team than the sum of our parts, Kilcoyne did very well in the loose and scrum. Munster need a backs coach, hope Umaga gets the job. Munster will always do good in the pack, we have a decent backline but poor backs coaching. Two well taken tries (first was absolutely pathetic from a Scarlets point of view) and Zebo outplayed North again... (from just wing play, North contributes a lot in rucks unlike Zebo)

by **Notch** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:34 pm

He was a lot more conspicuous around the park in terms of support play and metres made... I know he gave away a few pens but at least he was contesting the breakdown. Compared to the way he played earlier in the season, I thought he was better all round.

I hope to be watching that player next year at Connacht, not the guy who's played the last few months.

by **Biltong** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:35 pm

Notch wrote:I didn't see the game, but good teams make the referee work for them. It's something Ulster comprehensively failed to do last night. Professional rugby is built on extracting the most from everything you can to win. You have to learn how to disrupt the other team and get away with it. The top teams must do so much analysis on referees- it's essential.

Thats why there can be no excuses for us if we lose to Edinburgh. We've had Roman Poite for two successive quarter-finals, at this point we should know him well enough to ensure when he blows his whistle it's in our benefit.

Nptch as much as I want to disagree with you on that it has unfortunately become a game of outwitting the referee and outlasting the opposition. rugby sadly is no longer always about the better team winning, but the team that plays the game of chess the best.

I have to say though, I do not like this new way of playing rugby where laws are manipulated and physical prowess is no longer the victor.

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:35 pm

Rava wrote:That was a game Scarlets should have won. They were the perpetrators of their own demise. They gave up possession do many times it was unreal. To blame the ref or his assistants would be very short sighted.

A man who knows his rugby. guinness

Really wanted Scarlets to make it - on a personal rugby level. Love the way they enhance the PRO12. Love the way they play.
But they shoot themselves in the foot, at every given opportunity - to finish off key games.

Must be maddening as a loyal fan. They've had it in them to make the playoffs for the last 2 years. But they didn't.

Cue Dreamer. Just say it girl. WHY?

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:36 pm

biltongbek wrote:
Notch wrote:I didn't see the game, but good teams make the referee work for them. It's something Ulster comprehensively failed to do last night. Professional rugby is built on extracting the most from everything you can to win. You have to learn how to disrupt the other team and get away with it. The top teams must do so much analysis on referees- it's essential.

Thats why there can be no excuses for us if we lose to Edinburgh. We've had Roman Poite for two successive quarter-finals, at this point we should know him well enough to ensure when he blows his whistle it's in our benefit.

Nptch as much as I want to disagree with you on that it has unfortunately become a game of outwitting the referee and outlasting the opposition. rugby sadly is no longer always about the better team winning, but the team that plays the game of chess the best.

I have to say though, I do not like this new way of playing rugby where laws are manipulated and physical prowess is no longer the victor.

I don't think a lot of that is true.

by Guest Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:37 pm

by Rava Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:39 pm

On Faloon I agree with Notch. I thought he was very good last night.

Interesting trivia. Some won't get this.
It's 30 years today that a young Norman Whiteside made his Man U debut. A massive talent that really was never realised.

by Glas a du Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:39 pm

Dreamer, we can not expect to beat Munster going off halfcock. Our second half was good, our first was awful. Priestland had a mare and Nigel cocked up the front row substitutions.

BUT it's only a game. There's always the next game and the next season. It happens. The inescapable fact is that we need to develop a street wise element to our game. Our forwards are athletes, we need more dog. I've been saying it for ten years, I doubt they are going to do anything about it now. If we shore up our front five we can put the pressure on instead of soaking it up.

I know you're not going to like this but Roblin, Biggar or Sweeny would have been better for us tonight.

by **Biltong** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:39 pm

Thomond wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
Notch wrote:I didn't see the game, but good teams make the referee work for them. It's something Ulster comprehensively failed to do last night. Professional rugby is built on extracting the most from everything you can to win. You have to learn how to disrupt the other team and get away with it. The top teams must do so much analysis on referees- it's essential.

Thats why there can be no excuses for us if we lose to Edinburgh. We've had Roman Poite for two successive quarter-finals, at this point we should know him well enough to ensure when he blows his whistle it's in our benefit.

Nptch as much as I want to disagree with you on that it has unfortunately become a game of outwitting the referee and outlasting the opposition. rugby sadly is no longer always about the better team winning, but the team that plays the game of chess the best.

I have to say though, I do not like this new way of playing rugby where laws are manipulated and physical prowess is no longer the victor.

I don't think a lot of that is true.

Maybe half?

by **rodders** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:40 pm

MrsP wrote:Did you really think Faloon was that good?

Sorry to interject.

I thought it was frustrating watching Willie last night. He showed some sublime skill and class, particularly the key pass for the try. However that just adds to the frustration that he hasn't kicked on and made the grade this season. Hes got such brilliant skills but he seems to drift in and out of games rather than put in 80 min performances. Ferris said last season that he was one of the hardest tacklers in the team but he hasn't shown the same aggression this year enough.

I hope the move to Connacht and regular game time brings the best out of him because he is super talented.

Diack had his best game in a while last night for sure. Funny his form dipped when Pedrie came now in Pedries last home game he finds some form...... Whistle

by **Notch** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:42 pm

The more complex a system of laws is, the more loopholes there are. The fact that the IRB are so determined to change the emphasis on interpretation means the winning teams will be the ones that adapt quickest.

I'm not a cynic (honestly) but thats the situation- knowing how to circumnavigate the complex delicacies if the scrum and breakdown can be worth quite a few points over the course of the season.

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:42 pm

Closer to none, teams are going to cheat happens in every sport, rugby, soccer, Gaelic Football, Cricket everything. The best team on the day nearly always wins, Leinster played better than Ulster last night and got their deserved win.

by Gibson Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:43 pm

rugbydreamer wrote:

Know how passionate and committed you are. Been there. Seen you jumping up and down at a HC Pool game(yeah v Munster). You, and your ilk, are key to their future. The noise at that game, was the loudest Ive heard this season. You put the other regions to shame. Great fans and a ver ver sexy team. It will come

Believe. cider

by red_stag Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:43 pm

Was it Faloon who made that embarassing attempt at a tackle for Leisnters try? I think Pedrie will be a loss to Ulster.

A lot of what Biltong says about refereeing is compleltey true. The laws have turned refereeing from a difficult task into a near impossible one.

by Guest Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:43 pm

Glas, no offence intended but that post was a tinsy bit patronising.

I.agree with it (apart from.the last bit Wink

)

Going to.phone my Mam and dad so I can have a proper rant Smile

by **Notch** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:45 pm

Thomond wrote:Closer to none, teams are going to cheat happens in every sport, rugby, soccer, Gaelic Football, Cricket everything. The best team on the day nearly always wins, Leinster played better than Ulster last night and got their deserved win.

I have to agree with all of that I'm afraid!

It's a shame because I really enjoy our arguments guinness

by Thomond Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:48 pm

I think people make too much of the referee. In general, the best side wins, the two were even tonight and it showed in the result.

by **rodders** Sat 21 Apr 2012, 9:48 pm

Notch wrote:The more complex a system of laws is, the more loopholes there are. The fact that the IRB are so determined to change the emphasis on interpretation means the winning teams will be the ones that adapt quickest.

I'm not a cynic (honestly) but thats the situation- knowing how to circumnavigate the complex delicacies if the scrum and breakdown can be worth quite a few points over the course of the season.

I think the changes in interpretation have lead to more inconsistancies and the team that adapts to the referee tends to have edge.

Its easy to get misty eyed about the old days, have a look at old rugby clips people were flopping all over the place at the breakdown. It would be impossible to have an infringement free ruck imo, its the nature of the game and its always been that day. In the past people just did a bit off rucking with the studs and that sorted things out!

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