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As,
Id have high hopes for Jackson. From the 1st time I saw him play. Great prospect. But Madigan has to tour in NZ. That alone, will bring him into the Irish fold sooner.

Ulster, in letting IHumph go, are really getting ruthless. Must be getting an experienced 10 in, to help young Paddy develop?

Any Saffer 10's going cheap out there? And more importantly - do they pray to the right God?

Depends on how Jackson plays really, he's an unknown quantity. He's played about 8 games or something for Ulster. It's all a bit soon to be talking him up. Just let him get on with doing his thing for Ulster.

I would say Madigan but sooner or later he's going to have to move to Munster or Ulster if he wants to be in the Ireland squad. Either that, or just replace Sexton for Leinster AND Ireland.

Notch wrote:Depends on how Jackson plays really, he's an unknown quantity. He's played about 8 games or something for Ulster. It's all a bit soon to be talking him up. Just let him get on with doing his thing for Ulster.

I would say Madigan but sooner or later he's going to have to move to Munster or Ulster if he wants to be in the Ireland squad. Either that, or just replace Sexton for Leinster AND Ireland.

It could happen. IMO he is a vastly more talented rugby player than Sexton. A hell of a lot more talented.

However you need more than talent to succeed. Sexton is developing the mental strength needed to play #10 at a very high level.

red_stag wrote:

Notch wrote:Depends on how Jackson plays really, he's an unknown quantity. He's played about 8 games or something for Ulster. It's all a bit soon to be talking him up. Just let him get on with doing his thing for Ulster.

I would say Madigan but sooner or later he's going to have to move to Munster or Ulster if he wants to be in the Ireland squad. Either that, or just replace Sexton for Leinster AND Ireland.

It could happen. IMO he is a vastly more talented rugby player than Sexton. A hell of a lot more talented.

However you need more than talent to succeed. Sexton is developing the mental strength needed to play #10 at a very high level.

Really, Staggy? More talented than the Sexton we see for Ireland or the one we see in Leinster's blue? They are two different players imo

More talented than Sexton was at his age. By "talent" I am referring to just his current rugby physical and technical skills.

However the other two things are hard work and mental fortitude. Sexton has both of them and it has really enhanced his game.

Remember as my old coach used to say "Hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard"

I totally disagree that Madigan is more talented than JS. What areas? How is he more talented? He may improve and aspire to that level, but as we all know, that dont always come about.

The only chance Madigan has of replacing Sexton, imo, is if Sexton moves to France in 2 years. I really think Leinster have that in mind. And the reason why they gave Madigan a 2 year contract. He will get oodles of game time in the PRO12 and enough in the HC, to keep him rolling. Also, Sexton could get injured and he may sieze that chance. He has a way to go yet though.

Not a bog question at all, Madigan by a country mile

Gibson wrote:I totally disagree that Madigan is more talented than JS. What areas? How is he more talented? He may improve and aspire to that level, but as we all know, that dont always come about.

The only chance Madigan has of replacing Sexton, imo, is if Sexton moves to France in 2 years. I really think Leinster have that in mind. And the reason why they gave him a 2 year contract. He will get oodles of game time in the PRO12 and enough in the HC, to keep him rolling. Also, Sexton could get injured and he may sieze that chance. He has a way to go yet though.

Gibbo,

Read my last post. I am just saying that Madigan has a wide skill set now than Sexton did four years ago and if he has the same work ethic and mental fortitude he can of course replace Sexton in the Leinster team.

Fair enuf Stag. I had posted before reading that one.

Yes, he is sublimely talented. And out and out creative standoff with magic feet, a superb pass, great spatial awareness and a very sharp brain. I hope he starts pushing Sexton soon. Will need to sort out his positional and place kicking 1st. Whoever wins that battle - Leinster win either way.

Notch wrote:

Ozzy3213 wrote:So many doubters, but TOL/iHumph is going to be good for us I believe.

A scrum half who can't pass and an outhalf who won't tackle. What could possibly go wrong?

Interestingly I don't recall people being so critical of TOL prior to him getting injured and missing out on the Lions tour. From memory the majority of posters on 606, Irish or otherwise were touting him heavily as first choice 9. I accept he has not hit that level since coming pack from injury, but clearly he can pass a rugby ball.

In relation to iHumph not tackling, meh!!! We have had a string of non tackling 10's at Irish, reaching the AP final in 2009 with one. We used ot cover it by putting Steffon Armitage in the 10 channel to defend off set piece ball, so no reason why we can't pop a backrower there again.

Gibson wrote:Fair enuf Stag. I had posted before reading that one.

Yes, he is sublimely talented. And out and out creative standoff with magic feet, a superb pass, great spatial awareness and a very sharp brain. I hope he starts pushing Sexton soon. Will need to sort out his positional and place kicking 1st. Whoever wins that battle - Leinster win either way.

Thats the main thing and very true.

There is a feeling of a fresh start in Munster I have to say. There is talk of a coaching team of:

Rodd Penney - Director of Rugby
Anthony Foley - Fowards Coach
Tana Umaga - Backs Coach

It would be a great match. We are having a massive clear out this year. Hayes, Flannery, MickODriscoll, Wallace, O'Leary and Mafi are all leaving/retired earlier in the season and there is talk of Leamy retiring too.

Our head coach (McGahan) and backs coach (Holland) and team manager (Payne) are all leaving too. Its gonna be a new look Munster next year in some ways.

Ozzy, regarding O'Leary in fairness you are harping back to games he played almost four years ago. Rugby is massively different now.

Your backs will be as confrontational as your forwards with those coaches!!!! 15man maul's is it?!

Id love to see TOL and IHumph shine at Exiles. It may be just the move they need to get them back to their best.
It can be a very strong force - players who are out to prove their dissenters wrong. The more physical Jeff, may suit them down to the ground. Specially TOL.

If they do up their game to suit, Irish could really reap the benefits.

prop_lyd wrote:Your backs will be as confrontational as your forwards with those coaches!!!! 15man maul's is it?!

Prop, only Penney and Foley are confirmed. Our backs coach is yet undecided. Umaga applied for head coach along and was picked on the shortlist along with Foley and Penney so it would be great to get him as backs coach. He is apparently open to the idea.

Which is where it would be awesome to see............the collisions would be huge!!!! Wonder if he'd come as 'player' coach just to line up BOD?

red_stag wrote:Ozzy, regarding O'Leary in fairness you are harping back to games he played almost four years ago. Rugby is massively different now.

As I recall Stag, 4 years ago scrum halves were still required to pass a ball, something that TOL apparantly cannot do.

As Gibbo has suggested, both TOL and iHumph may have a point to prove, and that is something that has been a factor for Exeter Chiefs this season and last.

Penney looks like a great move Stag. As is Axel for for the forwards. Penney is a forwards coach also though eh? Will he take a back seat, just play Head Coach and let Axel get on with it? He is the right man to develop your Academy and younger players to their max. A lot of his CV shows this as a major strength of his.

I mean, coach for the U20 All Blacks. Not a bad background like.

Ozzy he can pass. His pass is not an issue IMO. He is a slow distributor however which has been a major criticim of him in last 3 years.

His strenghts are that he is excellent in first phase attacks brings the "extra flnanker" thing the backrow.

Gibson wrote:I mean, coach for the U20 All Blacks. Not a bad background like.

We have the last two caoches for the Baby blacks coaching in Ireland next year. Penney with Munster and Anscombe with Ulster.

Ok changing the subject a bit: anyone who can...put on Countdown today to see Rachel Riley's dress

red_stag wrote:Ozzy he can pass. His pass is not an issue IMO. He is a slow distributor however which has been a major criticim of him in last 3 years.

His strenghts are that he is excellent in first phase attacks brings the "extra flnanker" thing the backrow.

That is possibly something that Brian Smith can address. I think he could do well for us. He's still young enough to make improvements to his game and if he still harbours any international ambitions this could be the catalyst for him.

Is certainly going to be interesting to see how him and iHumph do for us.

Gibson wrote:I mean, coach for the U20 All Blacks. Not a bad background like.

To be fair tho, Gib, with the baby Blacks at our disposal, reckon even you and I could coax a JWC winners medal out of them!

I've just got back in lads and lasses.

Are Ulster, Munster and London Irish still in CRISIS?

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

Gibson wrote:I mean, coach for the U20 All Blacks. Not a bad background like.

To be fair tho, Gib, with the baby Blacks at our disposal, reckon even you and I could coax a JWC winners medal out of them!

I reckon if we got hauld of em As, their careers would be finished by the time they were 21. They'd have a ball though.
Those Kiwis are far too serious. Need lighting up a bit. Ya know...

All roysh Kiwi bud?

Rava wrote:I've just got back in lads and lasses.

Are Ulster, Munster and London Irish still in CRISIS?

No I'm quite excited about the new future of Munster. Players come and go. The team remains the same

London Irish are excited with their hot and cold, sweet and sour pairing of O'Leary and Humphreys though they aren't sure which is which right now

Only Ulster are in CRISIS with the Heineken Cup final looming

I see that Munster have released Declan Cusack to Ulster to replace iHumph

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:I see that Munster have released Declan Cusack to Ulster to replace iHumph

Oh really?

Asbo,

You rascal!

Staggy, think you and I are going to get into trouble on the Ulster threads in a minute - solidarity, bud!

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Staggy, think you and I are going to get into trouble on the Ulster threads in a minute - solidarity, bud!

I know. Lets keep the ball moving though. I think there are some big fish to be reeled in. Next post will be that its announced on radio.

Feicers

Rava wrote:Feicers

Tis a pity he didn't try "Gavin Henson to Ulster"

It's not too late!

I've lobbed it in there, MrsP - I don't think geoff will be impressed and it's all your fault

Well, he said he wants to play 10 didn't he?

Sounds like just the sort we want.



Has he ever been to SA?

Asbo, I think my follow up will help things too.

Ulster says NO to Gav. . . . .for now!!!

You 2 are going to end up on the naughty step for sure!!!

I may have a niblble

red_stag wrote:Asbo, I think my follow up will help things too.

Ulster says NO to Gav. . . . .for now!!!

Oh, that is v v good work there, young man - 5 stars for you!!

Softly softly catchy monkey

Youse is big bullies!

Would it stretch things too far if Henson was only a short term cover during Paddy Wallaces surgery?

I have to say its nice to see you so involved again Staggy given your lack of interest in the lead up to last weeks Semi Finals.

Rava wrote:I have to say its nice to see you so involved again Staggy given your lack of interest in the lead up to last weeks Semi Finals.

Rava, I'll not lie to you. It knocked the stuffing out of me it did. It has taken me a while to find my mojo.

All jokes aside I am glad that:

- At least an Irish team will be champions
- Connacht have the Heineken Cup again next year
- There is a feeling of a new dawn for Munster with a clearout of players and coaches

I'm looking forward to the 19th.


Reigning European Champions v The Poor Man's Munster.


It's going to be a cracker

red_stag wrote:

Rava wrote:I have to say its nice to see you so involved again Staggy given your lack of interest in the lead up to last weeks Semi Finals.

Rava, I'll not lie to you. It knocked the stuffing out of me it did. It has taken me a while to find my mojo.

All jokes aside I am glad that:

- At least an Irish team will be champions
- Connacht have the Heineken Cup again next year
- There is a feeling of a new dawn for Munster with a clearout of players and coaches

Having failed to get the better of us on the pitch or in the "sing-off", Stag has determined to do all he can to wind up Ulster fans!

Well I'm just pleased you've found that mojo