The Hillsborough Memorial Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub, Liverpool

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 13 Sep 2012, 1:04 pm

First topic message reminder :

Hello and welcome to the Virtual Rugby Pub, a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The Pub has made its way to Liverpool in honour of the victims of the Hillsborough disaster, who may finally receive justice.

We are also mourning the sudden loss of Nevin Spence, his father Noel and brother Graeme, who died tragically at their farm in Hillsborough, Co. Down yesterday.

We offer our thoughts and deepest sympathies to his sisters Emma (who remains in a stable condition in hospital), Laura, their mother Essie, family and all friends and fans of the Ulster Rugby community. rose

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no tampering with the pictures of Andy Murray, Craig Newby and Delme Thomas.

guinness

Previous Pub https://www.606v2.com/t34463-the-corso-marauders-dew-drop-inn-virtual-rugby-pub-amsterdam

by Rava Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:12 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Thanks guys, apologies for going off on one, has just been a long few days and I am tired and a bit emotional. Ah well, at least Arsenal are winning in the Champions League tonight!

Pete

Man City have just taken the lead in Madrid.

by Guest Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:13 pm

Rant away my friend, tis what we are here for, always reckon tis best not to bottle things up Smile

My Dad's pretty chuffed at the Arsenal score at the moment too, and that's without him not having stopped talking about their result last weekend, I shall never hear the end of them!

by **Ozzy3213** Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:17 pm

Well Arsenal appear to be doing their best this half to chuck this one away. Can see Montpellier nicking an equaliser here!!!

Rava, have you approved my entry to the Superbru Champions League pool?

by Cari Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:21 pm

Ozzy - Cameron pishes me right off coming out with bollix like that considering the cuts he's making. I thought the same about his involvement in the paralympics. The paralympians were fantastic ambassadors for Britain, but the government will still cut disability benefits and have shut down several Remploy factories. Anyway, I won't drag on the politics...

I'm watching Derren Brown's Svengali show on Channel 4. I saw the show in Cardiff. It was superb. I really didn't know what to expect but I really enjoyed it and was genuinely amazed. He's got a clever talent...

by Gibson Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:24 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Evening all

Please feel free to ignore this post, I just need to vent some frustration as I have just listened to that smarmy self satisfied Kumquat David Cameron wittering on about how todays events are a stark reminder about the dangers that police officers face every day and that is a unique profession that he values dearly. Yeah, of course you do you Frak bumhole, that's why since April I have bringing home on average £300 less each month than I was before due to your changes to my pay and conditions, and I can look forward to now having to work for an extra 4 years than I previously would have had to in order to get my dramatically reduced pension that I am now paying more for. Very strange when I read that MP pensions will only change for new people onto the scheme, not for existing MP's. soloist.

Two PC's lost their lives today doing their job. A job that they did without fear nor favour. For reasons which are yet unclear they were deliberately lured to an address and blown to pieces. Their colleagues are now having to face the task of remain professional and collating the evidence whilst dealing with their own immediate grief. I salute those officers in GMP as I remember all to well the day last year when I was told of my own friend and colleagues murder, albeit in very different circumstances. The world is changing, and at times not for the better, yet the people in power do nothing to ensure that those entrusted with keeping the public safe are provided with the tools to enable them to do so properly.

Sleep well tonight Mr Cameron, I am certain that you will, as you are not the man who walked in from work this evening to a crying wife who knows that on any given day, it could have been her husbands face appearing on the news.

Rest in Peace PC Fiona Bone and PC Nicola Hughes.

Officers down, never forgotten.

Oh Pete. That was a magnificent post, straight from the heart. Ye are the front-end buffer, of a society that has lost its way badly. Badly funded and abetted by public-school whannkers, with no grip on present or any reality. Other than money or power.

You are our front-line, protecting us from the hordes. Every day you wake up. Thanks for that.

Love you man. Ale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_ffgwLVCs

by **Ozzy3213** Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:28 pm

Cari

The best bit with Cameron at the Olympics was at the parade when he did his speech and got polite applause and then got completely upstaged by Boris and had to stand like a spare part at the side of the stage. His face was a picture. I think he better get used to being an onlooker in time for the next election, as he could well be doing a fair bit of it.

I went for 2-1 to Arsenal on Superbru, so hoping this stays scoreline stays as it is!!!

by **Ozzy3213** Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:30 pm

Howya Gibbo you auld main-framer you. How's the job going? guinness

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:32 pm

Cari wrote:Ozzy - Cameron pishes me right off coming out with bollix like that considering the cuts he's making. I thought the same about his involvement in the paralympics. The paralympians were fantastic ambassadors for Britain, but the government will still cut disability benefits and have shut down several Remploy factories. Anyway, I won't drag on the politics...

I'm watching Derren Brown's Svengali show on Channel 4. I saw the show in Cardiff. It was superb. I really didn't know what to expect but I really enjoyed it and was genuinely amazed. He's got a clever talent...

Cariadwr, if you're interested, this was an excellent programme looking at how one of the most famous economists ever might have handled the current crisis: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mxpzv/Masters_of_Money_Keynes/ I'm not sure that there is really a right answer, and it is sadly true that cuts must be made somewhere (not necessarily where they are being made tho), but this was a very watchable piece.

And Gib, not sure what public schools have got to do with anything? Wide of the mark

by PJHolybloke Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:34 pm

Evening pub, guinness

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Pete, when I heard about the WPC's on the radio today, you were the first person I thought of. You're entitled to the rant mate.

Great work on the SUFTUM initiative too, saw your post on the "Come on my lovers" forum.

Hang in there big guy, we need you. Smile

by Cari Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:34 pm

Boris is (unintentionally) funny. Unlike a polititian, he can't really bulls**t or waffle like they do when they can't answer a question. He just goes "Ummm...errr..." and usually makes himself look stupid.

If anyone wants a bit of entertainment, I'd recommend this show. I forgot how clever it was.

by Hound_of_Harrow Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:35 pm

Oz. Well put.
Hug

by Gibson Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:37 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Howya Gibbo you auld main-framer you. How's the job going?

Mate,
Would it seem trite to say, that I am in work Heaven right now pal? It just gets better. Met two aul IBM compadres today, working a floor above me. Getting out on the wrong floor, can be so much fun sometimes. A two-hour lunch-break ensued. zen

Phhok moi, must watch the CL. I fancy Arsenal to win it against all de odds.

Believe.

by **Ozzy3213** Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:42 pm

Will have to up our game from tonight Gibbo, but as Chelsea showed last year it's not always the best team that wins it, so why not. My traditional yearly double of Arsenal and London Irish to win their respective Premierships is looking like money down the drain once again though! Laugh

And glad to hear your enjoying being back in the world of work.

And to all, thanks for your support guys, is appreciated.

I have to add, I love Boris Johnson. He is hilarious. he is one of those people who don't seem to have that valve that most have in their brain, which when you think something, checks to see if it is ok to say. With Boris, it all just comes out and not always in a particularly coherent manner. Priceless.

by Gibson Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:44 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Cari wrote:Ozzy - Cameron pishes me right off coming out with bollix like that considering the cuts he's making. I thought the same about his involvement in the paralympics. The paralympians were fantastic ambassadors for Britain, but the government will still cut disability benefits and have shut down several Remploy factories. Anyway, I won't drag on the politics...

I'm watching Derren Brown's Svengali show on Channel 4. I saw the show in Cardiff. It was superb. I really didn't know what to expect but I really enjoyed it and was genuinely amazed. He's got a clever talent...
Cariadwr, if you're interested, this was an excellent programme looking at how one of the most famous economists ever might have handled the current crisis: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mxpzv/Masters_of_Money_Keynes/ I'm not sure that there is really a right answer, and it is sadly true that cuts must be made somewhere (not necessarily where they are being made tho), but this was a very watchable piece.

And Gib, not sure what public schools have got to do with anything? Wide of the mark

You reckon As? Let's have a wee non-virtual chat about it sometime. I paid for my kids wild & varied education heavily, all the way through, but... I didn't isolate their brains from reality.

by Cari Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:47 pm

Gibbo,

Thought this might interest you... Whistle

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19622330

At least you can get away with Middle Aged Spread... Run

by Gibson Tue 18 Sep 2012, 8:53 pm

Cari wrote:Boris is (unintentionally) funny. Unlike a polititian, he can't really bulls**t or waffle like they do when they can't answer a question. He just goes "Ummm...errr..." and usually makes himself look stupid.

If anyone wants a bit of entertainment, I'd recommend this show. I forgot how clever it was.

That's the pure definition of a good Public School education. The man IS a buffoon, but the Londoners love it. They voted the fool back in. Its all in the accent and the attitude. And subliminal servitude.

Anyway, enough of heavy-speak. Really enjoying my bestest BF - Neil Oliver, on IPlayer - on the Vikings. I'd roide im just for his intelligence and lilting voice alone. Must be public-school educated. guinness

by **Notch** Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:04 pm

No, he's a shrewd careerist who believes in nothing and has perfected the bumbling buffoon act. He has quite a natural aptitude for it, true.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:10 pm

Gibson wrote:
Cari wrote:Boris is (unintentionally) funny. Unlike a polititian, he can't really bulls**t or waffle like they do when they can't answer a question. He just goes "Ummm...errr..." and usually makes himself look stupid.

If anyone wants a bit of entertainment, I'd recommend this show. I forgot how clever it was.

That's the pure definition of a good Public School education. The man IS a buffoon, but the Londoners love it. They voted the fool back in. Its all in the accent and the attitude. And subliminal servitude.

Anyway, enough of heavy-speak. Really enjoying my bestest BF - Neil Oliver, on IPlayer - on the Vikings. I'd roide im just for his intelligence and lilting voice alone. Must be public-school educated.

Oh dear, we're not going to agree tonite, Gib - normally I'd be man-wrestling you in jelly for rights to play hunt the bar of soap with Mr Oliver, but the Vikings is awful - its not about the Vikings, its sadly the Neil Oliver show!

by Cari Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:11 pm

I really enjoyed the Coast series that Neil Oliver did.

Anyway, I'm off. G'night y'all Smile

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:13 pm

Cari wrote:I really enjoyed the Coast series that Neil Oliver did.

Anyway, I'm off. G'night y'all

Me too. And his 'special' on Orkney on the "temple complex" that has been found there was fab - he let the archaeology do the talking and just guided us thru' it

by Gibson Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:17 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Gibson wrote:
Cari wrote:Boris is (unintentionally) funny. Unlike a polititian, he can't really bulls**t or waffle like they do when they can't answer a question. He just goes "Ummm...errr..." and usually makes himself look stupid.

If anyone wants a bit of entertainment, I'd recommend this show. I forgot how clever it was.

That's the pure definition of a good Public School education. The man IS a buffoon, but the Londoners love it. They voted the fool back in. Its all in the accent and the attitude. And subliminal servitude.

Anyway, enough of heavy-speak. Really enjoying my bestest BF - Neil Oliver, on IPlayer - on the Vikings. I'd roide im just for his intelligence and lilting voice alone. Must be public-school educated.
Oh dear, we're not going to agree tonite, Gib - normally I'd be man-wrestling you in jelly for rights to play hunt the bar of soap with Mr Oliver, but the Vikings is awful - its not about the Vikings, its sadly the Neil Oliver show!

Aah As! I loves I'm, I does. Not listening anymore. Nah-nah-nan-naah-naah (hands covering big ears).

I'll have you know, I fancied non public-school Maggie Thatcher - in a sexual way, when she was in her prime.

I'll never make a re-Publican. guinness

by Gibson Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:24 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Cari wrote:I really enjoyed the Coast series that Neil Oliver did.

Anyway, I'm off. G'night y'all

Me too. And his 'special' on Orkney on the "temple complex" that has been found there was fab - he let the archaeology do the talking and just guided us thru' it

Now we have taken the pish enough in the Pub, how was that trip with the kids As? Sounded superb. You took them to their Grandad's crook? This, to me, is essential education. Cant be bought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVaqZajq-I

by WillyGilly Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:26 pm

Guys and gals its been an emotional few days. Thank you so much for all your kind words and prayers since Saturday night. Tomorrow will be horrible for all concerned but god willing we'll make it through. Truth be told I'm still supressing the whole thing and haven't slept much in the last 2 nights. Ran into 2 of nevin's closest friends at work today, who will be carrying him tomorrow. He usually has a wide grin and constantly laughs and jokes around. Today he could hardly speak. Was preparing to leave my house for yesterday and 3 hearses drove past. That more than anything else really brought it home to me. The details of what happened are still emerging, but they are irrelevant. Tomorrow we bury a friend, a brother, a father, a son, a grandfather and an uncle.

Johann Muller's words today were brilliant. A truly fitting tribute. The last paragraph brought me close to tears. I say 'close to' because I suspect I'm saving mine for tomorrow.

by Gibson Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:33 pm

Notch wrote:No, he's a shrewd careerist who believes in nothing and has perfected the bumbling buffoon act. He has quite a natural aptitude for it, true.

It must kill the Tories inside though. Every thing they are trying to suppress, he is acting out, in the raw, full-frontal and front-stage. Its hilarious.

But hey. Phhokit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CGO9I8rmkE

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:42 pm

WillyGilly wrote:Guys and gals its been an emotional few days. Thank you so much for all your kind words and prayers since Saturday night. Tomorrow will be horrible for all concerned but god willing we'll make it through. Truth be told I'm still supressing the whole thing and haven't slept much in the last 2 nights. Ran into 2 of nevin's closest friends at work today, who will be carrying him tomorrow. He usually has a wide grin and constantly laughs and jokes around. Today he could hardly speak. Was preparing to leave my house for yesterday and 3 hearses drove past. That more than anything else really brought it home to me. The details of what happened are still emerging, but they are irrelevant. Tomorrow we bury a friend, a brother, a father, a son, a grandfather and an uncle.

Johann Muller's words today were brilliant. A truly fitting tribute. The last paragraph brought me close to tears. I say 'close to' because I suspect I'm saving mine for tomorrow.

Willy

by littleswannygirl Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:43 pm

Wiily, you will all be in our thoughts tomorrow Hug

by Rava Tue 18 Sep 2012, 9:49 pm

Willy

from me as well. God will give you strength to get through tomorrow.

by **Ozzy3213** Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:17 pm

Willy. Hope tomorrow goes well mate.

by PJHolybloke Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:28 pm

Keep standing Willy Hug

by ChequeredJersey Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:41 pm

Good luck Willy

by **rodders** Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:42 pm

Willy best wishes mate. Thinking about you sir.

by Suspicious lurker Wed 19 Sep 2012, 5:19 am

Morning folks

Willy mate, can't imagine what Hillsbrough is going through this week but I hope Ye all have the strength to get through it Hug

Change in play today, no junction for me this morning. Passing to Stains instead. vomit

by Glas a du Wed 19 Sep 2012, 5:41 am

Neil Oliver? He has the hair of a girl. Anybody that vein or lazy should not be trusted.

David Cameron? Believes in equal opportunities. Manages to upset everybody.

Boris Johnson? Top shagger. thumbsup

by Suspicious lurker Wed 19 Sep 2012, 5:51 am

Glas a du wrote:Neil Oliver? He has the hair of a girl. Anybody that vein or lazy should not be trusted.

David Cameron? Believes in equal opportunities. Manages to upset everybody.

Boris Johnson? Top shagger.

Pretty much agree with all that glas.

by Hound_of_Harrow Wed 19 Sep 2012, 7:23 am

Morning all.

‘Stand up’ Willy.
Hug

Here’s an article Linebreaker might find interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ sport/rugbyleague/ 9551118/Burgess-rugby-clan-in-different-league-to-the-Brownlee-brothers.html

by Suspicious lurker Wed 19 Sep 2012, 7:32 am

Can someone explain something to me please. I've been reading about the new education reforms what's his face is bringing in to replace the current GCSE exams, and how the number of top grades (A* per what ever its called) awarded will be restricted.

This confuses the hell out of me, how can you put a cap on a grade?? Surly if someone deserves a grade they should get it. "i was going to give you an A but is already given two out ao I couldn't give another one"

It's nonsense

by Artful_Dodger Wed 19 Sep 2012, 7:49 am

Hoog wrote:Can someone explain something to me please. I've been reading about the new education reforms what's his face is bringing in to replace the current GCSE exams, and how the number of top grades (A* per what ever its called) awarded will be restricted.

This confuses the hell out of me, how can you put a cap on a grade?? Surly if someone deserves a grade they should get it. "i was going to give you an A but is already given two out ao I couldn't give another one"

It's nonsense

Michael Gove is an absolute numpty - he has pushed through these changes without any consultation of teachers or anybody else for that matter.

by Artful_Dodger Wed 19 Sep 2012, 7:51 am

As we are on education - I turned down an MA in Politics from a Russell Group university (Queens Belfast) and instead I'm doing an MSc in Software Development at a much lesser university because they offered me a scholarship (no fees). Starting to have regrets though Sad

by **rodders** Wed 19 Sep 2012, 7:52 am

Hoog wrote:It's nonsense

Everything is with a Conservative goverment censored

...

by **Pal Joey** Wed 19 Sep 2012, 7:52 am

Hound_of_Harrow wrote:Morning all.

‘Stand up’ Willy.

Here’s an article Linebreaker might find interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ sport/rugbyleague/ 9551118/Burgess-rugby-clan-in-different-league-to-the-Brownlee-brothers.html

Thanks Hound. That's a nice story.
So all 4 brothers and Mrs Burgess are here now. Redfern had a bit of a rough reputation for a long time but in the last 10 years or so it has been spruced up. They would be living by the sea; somewhere like Coogee I'd say - 10 mins to the training ground but much nicer environment for a family. Very Happy

Big match for the Bunnies this Saturday. If they beat Canterbury, it will be their first GF since 1971.

by **rodders** Wed 19 Sep 2012, 7:54 am

Artful_Dodger wrote:As we are on education - I turned down an MA in Politics from a Russell Group university (Queens Belfast) and instead I'm doing an MSc in Software Development at a much lesser university because they offered me a scholarship (no fees). Starting to have regrets though

What are you regretting though Dodger, the University choice or the course topic? Clearly they are two very different topics.... although the Office politics is a good skill for the Software industry.....

by Artful_Dodger Wed 19 Sep 2012, 7:57 am

The dilemma was this - Do I go to a better University and do what I really like (Politics) which would cost me about £4k in fees. Or go to a lesser university and do a course for free as I was offered a scholarship and the course is much better for employment prospects, but also involves 3 hours of travel a day. In the end I went with the latter as I just couldn't afford to turn down a scholarship which saved me £4k and give good employment prospects. When I say regret I suppose I mean I'm a bit rueful not to be going to Queen's, but I might do another Masters there next year anyway.

by **rodders** Wed 19 Sep 2012, 8:08 am

Artful_Dodger wrote:The dilemma was this - Do I go to a better University and do what I really like (Politics) which would cost me about £4k in fees. Or go to a lesser university and do a course for free as I was offered a scholarship and the course is much better for employment prospects, but also involves 3 hours of travel a day. In the end I went with the latter as I just couldn't afford to turn down a scholarship which saved me £4k and give good employment prospects. When I say regret I suppose I mean I'm a bit rueful not to be going to Queen's, but I might do another Masters there next year anyway.

Yes I see your dilemma but the bolded part is the key I suppose, you can always do the other Masters and you haven't lost much other than a year and travel costs, which isn't much in the greater scheme.

by Hound_of_Harrow Wed 19 Sep 2012, 8:14 am

Hoog, I'm surprised it's taken you this long to realise that the world is now operated by numbers. Numbers tell the powers that be everything. No need for flair or ingenuity in this world these days. Just deliver the 'numbers' - quality is no longer necessary.

by PenfroPete Wed 19 Sep 2012, 8:23 am

just a dash of milk please. Still feeling a bit fragile, like a little Cat

but no more Poopie or vomit

(Guess there'll be more vomit

after the game at Parc y Scarlets on Friday Rolling Eyes

)

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 19 Sep 2012, 8:42 am

Morning all, just checking in on my train to Gloucester. Nice and sunny so far.

The exam system is caught betwixt and between. If everyone is getting A*s then they're completely useless as an indicator for universities who want the most able students for tough courses. Down the lower end they allow school leavers to show prospective employers that they are capable of a certain standard (eg can count to 10 wearing shoes and mittens or can read and understand safety instructions). And (assuming teaching methods are improving over the years) grade inflation is inevitable. So the exams need to cover off the basics, then force the top students to show off what they really know. Which isn't easy.

by **rodders** Wed 19 Sep 2012, 9:03 am

Question, and I know the answer is no but I'll ask anyways.... Smile

Is there any way to supress those advertisments which flash across the top of the screen?

by littleswannygirl Wed 19 Sep 2012, 9:04 am

Morning pub. Hot water, honey and lemon for me please.

Think I've peed my agency off this morning Erm

that 'oh!' and then a brief silence kind of gives it away. Tough. I've got virtually no voice so couldn't do half my job anyway, and I'm infectious. I'd be really popular if I decimated their already minimal staff Rolling Eyes

by Suspicious lurker Wed 19 Sep 2012, 9:11 am

But we still havnt covered the fact that people will miss out on the top grade they deserve due to a quota system.

It's almost* like your whole school life is coming down to where your paper is in the pile when being corrected. On top, happy days, on bottom, good luck mate.

* when I say almost I actually mean, for definite

by Suspicious lurker Wed 19 Sep 2012, 9:14 am

littleswannygirl wrote:Morning pub. Hot water, honey and lemon for me please.

Think I've peed my agency off this morning that 'oh!' and then a brief silence kind of gives it away. Tough. I've got virtually no voice so couldn't do half my job anyway, and I'm infectious. I'd be really popular if I decimated their already minimal staff

Hope you feel better soon and are well enough for London drinks next week.........

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