The Stratospheric Supersonic Dew Drop Inn, Roswell, New Mexico

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Hello and welcome to the Virtual Rugby Pub, a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The pub has made its way to "sleepy" Roswell New Mexico, take off point for the first ever supersonic free-fall this week.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no tampering with the pictures of Felix Baumgartner and Chris Budgen up on the wall.




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Not bad from glos!! Want more tries! Hey if munster can do it we can, even the shed were shocked!!

GOOGLE just got shafted by their financial people. Love it.

Well done Glaws. And well done Bath.

Evening Gibbo. Quiet in here tonight.

And back in De Diff! The sense of disappointment in the shed was comical when it was announced the barf had won!! Not bad from glos, seemed to go off boil in 2nd half and missed Tindall (did I reall say that)?!

Bed now, work then Greenday musical tomorrow!!

Morning all, there's stuff a-brewing: &

There's something lurking suspiciously on my couch this morning and I'm damned sure it wasn't there when I went to bed last night

Call the police, Asbo. Don't do a Tony Martin on him.

for me, please, and I hope Cari's feeling better this morning.

Morning pub

Waiting for an engineer to turn up and, hopefully, fix the heating.

Better to need the heating fixing now than in January, Swanny!

One for the wall (a cut-and-paste job):

https://www.606v2.com/t36243-welsh-rugby-union-say-wales-s-regions-reject-central-contracts#1620812

Tank Feic Fer dat.

Very true Lucky. It broke a week ago and this is the 2nd visit by an engineer. The first one wasn't 100% sure he'd identified the problem correctly so now we've got a senior engineer coming to check. The first one didn't even carry parts so couldn't have fixed it anyway! Not particularly impressed with the service so far. If this one doesn't fix it I suspect I'll be seeing my ar$e later

littleswannygirl wrote:I suspect I'll be seeing my ar$e later

So the yoga classes are going well?

There's a bloke from head office who comes down to Newport now and then, and I've heard him say that so-and-so 'has seen his ar$e'. I still don't quite know what he means by it.

Morning all. please.

Swanny apparently its to be a balmy 15 degrees today, so you shouldnt be too

Morning all. I hope you get that heating sorted out swanny.

Many years ago my (very old) cast irn boiler broke down and I didn’t have the money to get it fixed. In those days I was proper skint. The ‘heating’ consisted of turning the oven on and leaving the oven door open. Plus a fan heater when it got really cold. That was not a nice winter.

lucky. I hope Cari is feeling better too, what with a Heino weekend coming up.

I see Castres have made 12 changes to their team for their home game tonight. Last week, when they were away, they fielded a near 2nd team because they only really care about performing in front of their ‘home’ fans. Who tonight will watch them at the Stade Ernest Wallon in Toulouse.

ERC really should do something about all this squad rotation malarkey.

Morning all,

Hound, I know that the French teams generally have a totally different view of home and away games but it would seem Castre also have done a lot of squad rotation even with the team they put out for home games.

Very strange!

Also hope Cari is feeling a bit better!

Morning all, asbo special for me! Looking forward to this Greenday musical as I haven't seen any footage of it!!

I don't know what to make of the idea of a Green Day musical!

I'm the same lucky! It's based on the american idiot album which isn't one of my favs but hoping the put older songs in it.

Apparently rave reviews in u.s, my manager saw it on broadway and reccommended it.

That was sort of a concept album, wasn't it? If it was then a musical should work.

Quite a lot of it did tell a story, for example you had the St Jimmy 3 songs in one so hopefully it'll be a good craic!!

Enjoy it!

That I will do!! And then rugby tomorrow bring it on!!!!

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Morning all, there's stuff a-brewing: &

There's something lurking suspiciously on my couch this morning and I'm damned sure it wasn't there when I went to bed last night

That scruff has no shame

Nick Griffin is scum. Thoughts?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20000954

In this case he's just plain misguided. It's fair enough that as a private citizen you can decide who can and can't come into your house, but once you've opened it up to paying guests as somewhere to stay, then necessarily your personal views can't come into it. (To a large extent, anyway; if someone's
p!ssed as a newt or being violent, I'm sure you could turn them away.)

Its not a home. Its a business.

Businesses cannot discrimate. Private individuals can choose who to welcome or not.

Will he be blaming his sat-nav?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-20001098

WillyGilly wrote:Nick Griffin is scum. Thoughts?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20000954

He's an obb, no doubt, but the philosophical argument he raises is interesting. Should the rights of the gay couple always trump the rights of a Christian to act in accordance with their beliefs?

A right to discrimination is a bit much, but questioning the balance between certain groups rights is valid.

red_stag wrote:Its not a home. Its a business.

Businesses cannot discrimate. Private individuals can choose who to welcome or not.

Yeah, thats it. Its just such a shame that the issue has provoked abusive responses on both sides. It's quite a cut and dry case of discrimination though. The B&B owners were very much in the wrong. I feel marginally sorry for them because whilst the courts decision is fair the abuse they've gotten over the case isn't. They have sincerely held beliefs and they don't seem like bad people, just earnest and misguided.

red_stag wrote:Its not a home. Its a business.

Businesses cannot discrimate. Private individuals can choose who to welcome or not.

Why? She's the one losing money. There should be a human right to lose money!

Glas a du wrote:He's an obb, no doubt, but the philosophical argument he raises is interesting. Should the rights of the gay couple always trump the rights of a Christian to act in accordance with their beliefs?

A right to discrimination is a bit much, but questioning the balance between certain groups rights is valid.

I think the message should be that members of any religion can act in accordance with their own beliefs so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. In this case, they did infringe on someone else's rights. Doesn't make them bad people or justify the abuse they've gotten but the courts seem to have actually reached a fair decision here.

Thats a problem which is much, much wider than Christianity. It applies to any dogma which people use to justify dictating how others should or should not act in public.

Notch wrote:

red_stag wrote:Its not a home. Its a business.

Businesses cannot discrimate. Private individuals can choose who to welcome or not.

Yeah, thats it. Its just such a shame that the issue has provoked abusive responses on both sides. It's quite a cut and dry case of discrimination though. The B&B owners were very much in the wrong. I feel marginally sorry for them because whilst the courts decision is fair the abuse they've gotten over the case isn't. They have sincerely held beliefs and they don't seem like bad people, just earnest and misguided.

Old fart alert. You're wrong. She won't let anybody who isn't married sleep in a double bed. That's discrimination between people who are married and not married not between people who are gay or straight. I think the court have got it wrong and hope the B&B owners aren't scared off from an appeal. Christians are not afforded the same respect for 'custom' as anybody else and it is time that changed.

Notch wrote:The B&B owners were very much in the wrong. I feel marginally sorry for them because whilst the courts decision is fair the abuse they've gotten over the case isn't. They have sincerely held beliefs and they don't seem like bad people, just earnest and misguided.

Homophobic atheists have sincerely held beliefs, too.

Glas a du wrote:

red_stag wrote:Its not a home. Its a business.

Businesses cannot discrimate. Private individuals can choose who to welcome or not.

Why? She's the one losing money. There should be a human right to lose money!

Unless you are a Life Insurance company in which case you may discriminate on the grounds of:
Gender
Age
Marital status
Parental status
Income
Smoking status
Weight
Alcohol consumption
Medical conditions
Occupation
Sexuality

and Hobbies

Notch wrote:

Glas a du wrote:He's an obb, no doubt, but the philosophical argument he raises is interesting. Should the rights of the gay couple always trump the rights of a Christian to act in accordance with their beliefs?

A right to discrimination is a bit much, but questioning the balance between certain groups rights is valid.

I think the message should be that members of any religion can act in accordance with their own beliefs so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. In this case, they did infringe on someone else's rights. Doesn't make them bad people or justify the abuse they've gotten but the courts seem to have actually reached a fair decision here.

Thats a problem which is much, much wider than Christianity. It applies to any dogma which people use to justify dictating how others should or should not act in public.

No rights exist without compromising the rights of others. It's all about balance and the balance is wrong here.

Glas a du wrote:

red_stag wrote:Its not a home. Its a business.

Businesses cannot discrimate. Private individuals can choose who to welcome or not.

Why? She's the one losing money. There should be a human right to lose money!

The problem is consistency. You can't have one rule for a small family-run B&B and a different rule for the Holiday Inns of this world. A business can deny service to anyone they please, but if its found to be because of bigotry they should be willing to deal with the consequences.

If you don't, you open the door for hotels to theoretically turn away people because of religion, sexuality, race etc. Suddenly you're laying down the template for a pretty unpleasant society.

Bigotry? Would you accuse a Muslim who needs a few hours off on a Friday of bigotry? That's the problem.

And there is a difference. Holiday Inn are a corporation and a legal person but without beliefs except in capitalism. You can't equate them to a person renting out the spare room.

But it's not someone renting their spare room. It is a B&B which is a business. As much as "management reserves the right to refuse admission". The criteria for refusal must be covered in a code of practice which B&B owners must abide by

Glas, if you're suggesting that a person running a business should be allowed to discriminate against potential customers as his religious beliefs dictate, what's to stop any businessman who holds no particular religious beliefs but is just plain bigoted doing the same? Discrimination is discrimination whatever its motive. Where would it end? Would a racist be allowed to refuse a black couple?

Glas a du wrote:Bigotry? Would you accuse a Muslim who needs a few hours off on a Friday of bigotry? That's the problem.

And there is a difference. Holiday Inn are a corporation and a legal person but without beliefs except in capitalism. You can't equate them to a person renting out the spare room.

Of course you can. It's the exact same. Somebody owns a business which is providing temporary accommodation to tourists at a price. Just because the business owners live there doesn't change it. It's a business not a private residence. If it happens to be in your home that doesn't give you the right to make someone else feel like a second-class citizen because they have a different way of life.

Thats a very false equivalent because taking a few hours off on friday isn't hurting anyone. I would accuse a Muslim hotel owner who believes all women must abide the hijab dress code and refuses to accommodate 'indecently' dressed women of bigotry though. The thing is, they are trying to force their way of life on someone else.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Glas, if you're suggesting that a person running a business should be allowed to discriminate against potential customers as his religious beliefs dictate, what's to stop any businessman who holds no particular religious beliefs but is just plain bigoted doing the same? Discrimination is discrimination whatever its motive. Where would that end? Would a racist be allowed to refuse a black couple?

Precisely.

Anyway, who talks religion or politics in a boozer befor 12pm. If this was a rugby tour, we'd all be eating dogfood at court in the morning.

To be honest, I respect the B&B owner's right to choose the guests she accepts. That said, if she has a policy of not letting doubles to unmarried guests* then it should say so clearly on her website - once she's accepted a booking and the guests have arrived it's a bit late to turn someone away**


* If she opts to also exclude civil partnerships then again it should be clearly advertised. If only so I can choose to show my disagreement with the policy by staying elsewhere.

** Unless she stumps up for a nicer room at another establishment nearby.

Nick Griffin talking about human rights is like Harold Shipman giving lectures on medical ethics.

Also, I just thought I'd add that the Christ who these hoteliers claim to follow said diddly squat about homosexuality. He did, however, say some stuff about loving thy neighbour as thyself, not judging lest ye be judged, let him without sin cast the first stone, that kind of thing.

As far as I understand the B&B owners would have been very happy to allow the couple to stay in their home but not in a double room.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Also, I just thought I'd add that the Christ who these hoteliers claim to follow said diddly squat about homosexuality. He did, however, say some stuff about loving thy neighbour as thyself, not judging lest ye be judged, let him without sin cast the first stone, that kind of thing.

Completely agree there.