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Breaking News: Pooly quits as Falcons boss after their first home defeat for 2 years, paving the way for a shock return to the Premiership for former Exeter Chiefs, London Welsh and Saracens head coach Driver, who takes charge at Kingston Park.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 1:35 pm

I always thought we'd need a bit of nous in midfield to get the best out of Foden

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Post by Fluxy Mon 07 Jan 2013, 1:36 pm

I think Goode has help take England's back play up a level, without having to deploy a playmaking centre. Would like to see Foden on the wing with Goode at Fullback. Would give is a great balance to the back three along with Ashton.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 1:54 pm

Billy V off to Sarries Chris?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 07 Jan 2013, 1:55 pm

personal preference would be 11. Brown 14. Ashton and 15. Foden regardless of who plays in the midfield

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 07 Jan 2013, 1:58 pm

Stoddart's had to retire....massive shame, always liked him a lot. Won't forget that sliding take vs saints which he ran in to score
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 1:59 pm

Brown not a winger for me. Can do a job but I wan't somebody there that the opposition are going to worry about.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:00 pm

Yea with Pete there, classy FB but not a wing going forward. Done a good job in AI though.

11. May
14. Ashton
15. Goode

Has the lot.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:02 pm

I think we have Scotland first up in the 6 Nations don't we? I suspect that Lancaster will show loyalty to the players who beat New Zealand, but if it was me I would make one change to the backline that started that game, and it would be Christian Wade in for Brown.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:05 pm

Goode could be out Pete, has a shoulder injury apparently.

Croft not likely to take part either as he's being managed by Tigers due to injury.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:08 pm

Croft should be nowhere near. He needs to get back to being 100% fit and lots of gametime under his belt before being considered.
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Post by stnick88 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:08 pm

Love May dont you pooly!

Long way to go for him yet i reckon. Immense potential though. hasnt played in a while though so wouldnt even consider him for england until next season.

Goode did a great job but i think foden has a bit more to offer. dont think we have missed croft to be honest. plenty of backrow options.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:11 pm

Yea I think he's mustard Nick (don't tell Matt), needs defence testing as it seems to be a common issue with Gloucester wingers but he's got something special about him. Prefer him to Wade who's just a bit small for me.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:23 pm

He is strong for a small lad though. Would say Wade's defence isnt much different to Sharples.

Most exciting English winger.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:24 pm

Saw Wade tackle Banahan 4-5 times yesterday, don't think he has an issue with tackling as has very good technique, my issue would be when people put in high balls for him to deal with, but only Nick Evans has done that so far this season.

He's surely got to be in the EPS now, but then again Lancaster called up Biggs before Wade during the AI's, so who knows what he is thinking with the wings!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:27 pm

Biggs is so far from Int standard its untrue.

It's the step up to Int that could be the issue. Not many small wingers make the grade. I do like him but I'm unsure, hopefully get a few games in the 6N. Visser/North/Cuthbert should prove all we need to know.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:39 pm

Biggs is a good AP winger, but thats it. Same as people like Ojo. Not good enough for int.

Wonder whether Varndell might get a look in?

Anyone know if Will James got cited for his tackle on Gibson? Or Sinclair for that matter for the aftermath?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:51 pm

I'd say that Mike Brown's performances on the wing during the AI's were considerably more impressive than Chris Ashton's. Dropping him from the back three for me would certainly be an error.

Goode in my mind is still England's third best full back behind Foden and Brown. I think his good performance against a poor Fiji side is remembered more than his other 3 performances which I remember being pretty average.

Have to say I'm shocked that dropping Mike Brown has been suggested.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:56 pm

Brown was good but just not a winger, he was better than Sharples.

Not remember Goode stepping Carter Steve? It'll stay with me a long time that.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 2:57 pm

Vardell's defence is again just nowhere near Int standard, he'll hopefully be a long way off selection.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:00 pm

See Blair has retired from Int rugby

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:02 pm

Varndell's defence pretty solid these days since joining Wasps - last two years I wouldnt have faulted his defence, he got a lot of practice last year!

For me only thing that stops him being an international is that he isnt physical enough - if he had that then he'd be world class.

Can't believe he got yellow carded for his tackle yesterday, even the Bath fans I was sitting with had a go at the ref for it!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:05 pm

Can't agree there Chris, I think he's poor in defence. Watch him yesterday, he was all over the place.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:07 pm

He had a bad day in defence yday, awful for Abendanons try. Not quite as bad as Biggs and Donalds attempts at tackling Wade though.

But, I think in general Varndells defence has improved, top try scorer this season, 10 in 11. pretty good.

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Post by DHLS07 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:37 pm

I agree with those saying Brown not a winger, but i have to add that Ashton has done very little this season at club or international level to justify keeping his place in the side.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:40 pm

Yea Ashton has been pretty quiet all season. Even Beshocked (totally bias Sarries fan) was saying he needed to sort himself out.

Will we see:

11. Brown
14. Foden
15. Goode

I hope not!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:43 pm

I pray we don't see that back three Pooly. We need to have a look at Wade and see what he can do.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:45 pm

Yea agree, we need some X factor wether that Wade or May

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Post by DHLS07 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:47 pm

15. Brown
14. Wade
11. Joseph

13. Tuilagi
12. Barritt

10. Farrell
9. Care

Very solid in midfield so you can get away with more attacking wingers with also having a solid full back.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:52 pm

I'd be happy enough with that backline against Scotland. Might need a slightly more solid defensively winger against Ireland, France and Wales though.
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Post by DHLS07 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 3:58 pm

I'm not convinced that we do. we have a pack that can get on top of those sides and if we can impose ourselves on them then we should go as attacking as possible. Not much will get through that midfield, and if you know that the other team are going to target out wide then it's much easier to defend aganst.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 4:02 pm

I'm not sure that one performance against the All Blacks means that we suddenly have an all conquering pack. There's lots of potential there for us, but I expect the 6 Nations to be a real battle for us, as we are the team that every one of the other sides wants to beat.
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Post by dammit_chris Mon 07 Jan 2013, 4:23 pm

Would always have Ashton as no1 choice for wing, defensive work for England is very good and not many wings will shine until we get some creativity in midfield.

For me Ashton could thrive with Burns as no10 - if you watch him play for Sarries his workrate and the amount he runs off the ball looking for chances is always top class - just isnt getting the chances at the moment.

Bad choice of clubs for him really.

Pooly saw you mention Vunipola going to Sarries, rumours been going for about a year. I hope it doesnt happen as he's a big player for Wasps and I dont think he will be at a club that suits him if he moves to Sarries - have no idea how Sarries afford all these players and stay within the salary cap.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 4:26 pm

I watched the Wasps game last night and took particular interest in Vunipola as a result of the current hype around him. I have to say I thought he played pretty well, and looks as if he could challenge Morgan for the England 8 jersey. I would have him in ahead of Waldrom for sure.
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Post by stnick88 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 4:40 pm

Needs to work on his control at the base of the scrum. One time the ball rolled out and he didnt even noticed, sometimes comes accross a little brainless.

However his carries are very good and he does work hard and is a real handful for defenders. With good coaching and management could be a top 8 in a couple of years. Agree pete get him in for waldrom.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 07 Jan 2013, 4:45 pm

Agree nick, his work at the back of the scrum was scrappy. That scrum where the ball rolled out was down to a very rare occurrence in the modern game..... a bloody straight feed!!!

It was the only time I saw the hooker have to actually hook the ball and he had no control over it whatsoever, which was what saw the ball shooting out the side. You are right though, Vunipola looked fairly confused by it all, as iif the cogs were turning very slowly indeed.

He needs coaching and will learn with experience, but the raw materials are there and he is a beast of a carrier.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 07 Jan 2013, 4:45 pm

I have noticed a shift in Saracens style of late Chris, particularly when Hodgson is playing.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 07 Jan 2013, 6:57 pm

Sarries can definitely play some really nice attacking rugby - Ashton works best off midfield and fullback line breaks, which is not where Sarries really beat teams - at Saints he had Pisi at 13 and Foden breaking the mdfield at 15, think when he feeds of those breaks he does very well.

Sarries dont seem to score many through their wings - sure Strettle has just got one try in the AP so far, vould be wrong.

Are they playing Farrell at no10 until the 6Nations? Sure I read that is what they were planning on doing.

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Post by Guest Mon 07 Jan 2013, 8:21 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Agree nick, his work at the back of the scrum was scrappy. That scrum where the ball rolled out was down to a very rare occurrence in the modern game..... a bloody straight feed!!!

It was the only time I saw the hooker have to actually hook the ball and he had no control over it whatsoever, which was what saw the ball shooting out the side. You are right though, Vunipola looked fairly confused by it all, as iif the cogs were turning very slowly indeed.

He needs coaching and will learn with experience, but the raw materials are there and he is a beast of a carrier.

To be fair the one of them was an awful bad error. The other one was due to AJ not having his foot across. Used to annoy the hell out of me when my 6 let it happen as everyone blames the 8.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 08 Jan 2013, 8:38 am

Your right Chris that was Strettles first AP try.

No suprise that Sarries scored both tries when Hodgson came on and he was involved in both. Before that it was just Farrell kicking.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 08 Jan 2013, 9:36 am

AP team of the week:

http://www.therugbyblog.co.uk/aviva-premiership-team-of-the-week-round-13?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRugbyBlog+%28The+Rugby+Blog%29

1. Soane Tonga’uiha
2. Dylan Hartley
3. Dan Cole
4. Ed Slater
5. George Skivington
6. Ashley Johnson
7. Matt Kvesic
8. Nick Easter

9. Danny Care
10. Nick Evans
11. David Srettle
12. Brad Barritt
13. Elliot Daly
14. Christian Wade
15. Nick Abendonon

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 08 Jan 2013, 10:30 am

Matt Kvesvic deserves to be in the EPS I think now, if anything happened to Robshaw then we need some people who can play at no7 there as its clear Lancaster wont pick Armitage I think.

EPS named tomorrow isn't it?

Reckon we might see Dowson, Botha, Palmer, Waldroum and Johnson drop out of the forwards and into the Saxons.

Launchbury will definitely be promoted and can see guys like Calum Clark, Matt Kvesvic and Billy Vunipola coming in (think with the increase on the international bench to 23 players it means Mako Vunipola goes in without needing to make a change). Quite like Kruis at Sarries, looks like he is being pushed as the player to replace Borthwick as lineout leader - could see him getting a Saxons spot.

Think Lancaster will ignore Wade too in the main EPS.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 08 Jan 2013, 10:32 am

Dowson has been playing well for Saints. He might keep his place.

Interesting to see where Croft ends up.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 08 Jan 2013, 10:35 am

Dowson has always played very well for Saints, really rate him at AP level and Saints are a much better side when he plays for them - but for me he lacks that little bit of presence and physicality at the next level. Think he's a top player though.

Have you got Kruis in your squad Steve? Think he will end up replacing Parling as he looks a top, top prospect.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 08 Jan 2013, 10:45 am

Kruis is in my squad. I considered him more of a 4 with the work he does round the park but he has been playing 6 for Saracens so who knows.

Expect him to go on tour with England in Summer.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 08 Jan 2013, 12:45 pm

Hope Croft isnt in the squad. doesnt deserve to be, for me would be a pointless selection and a waste of a space. Likewise Dowson. Get Vunipola and Kvesic in.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 08 Jan 2013, 1:19 pm

The EPS is picked looking forwards to the 6N and beyond. Croft is a top draw performer and with Wood our best option at 6. I'm not sure why he'd be a pointless selection Nick.

If there's 6 backrow spots you'd be looking at:

6. Wood/Croft
7. Robshaw/Haskell
8. Morgan/?

Those are our best players. You can still pick outside the EPS

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Post by stnick88 Tue 08 Jan 2013, 2:18 pm

I was referring to 6N selection, didnt realise it was for future as well.

I don't like Haskell at 7, especially with Robshaw as the other 7, gives us no natural openside.

Vunipola has to be the other 8.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 08 Jan 2013, 2:29 pm

Yea this is the EPS Nick, the 6N squad will be picked seperatley

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 08 Jan 2013, 2:51 pm

I'd like to see if the newly bulked up Croft could perhaps see the idea of the Wood/Croft flank combo brought up again.

At their best there isn't much doubt in my mind they are our best two flankers.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 08 Jan 2013, 4:14 pm

I'm just not sold on Croft.

Very athletic and good line out work but not sure if he gets stuck in enough like Wood and Robshaw do. Tend to find him hanging on the wing and not hitting enough rucks. i may be wrong may just be an interpretation i have of him.

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