Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

by NickisBHAFC Sun 06 Oct 2013, 8:01 pm

First topic message reminder :

Lamela is the biggest waste of money ever

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:27 pm

Soldado with a goal !!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:27 pm

Lovely finish, top top class

by NickisBHAFC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:28 pm

WHAT A GOAL!

Cracking goal by Tottenham. Barca would of been proud of that. Cracking goal. Well taken by Soldado, but it was all about the build up play.

by NickisBHAFC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:29 pm

That might of been the goal Soldado needed to get his confidence up, hopefully he can kick on now.

by GSC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:29 pm

Carrick offers nothing in an England shirt

by NickisBHAFC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:31 pm

Carrick was class the other night GSC. I would happily see the Gerrard and Carrick partnership again. Stupid post.

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:31 pm

Anyone willing to drop Lampard from the England squad needs a slap. He's done more for England than Carrick and everyone's darling Stevie G. The problem with bringing through the young players is that they haven't had experience yet. They'll get smashed in the World Cup. Starting from the next qualifiers we can start bleeding out the older players but we have to stick with what has worked to get us there and not bring players in too early. Plus, Roy has always had nearly 10 30+ year olds in his squads.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:33 pm

CFCNick wrote:Anyone willing to drop Lampard from the England squad needs a slap. He's done more for England than Carrick and everyone's darling Stevie G.

You have watched England recently right? Done more than Stevie G in an England shirt is a #headsgone

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:35 pm

CFCNick wrote:Anyone willing to drop Lampard from the England squad needs a slap. He's done more for England than Carrick and everyone's darling Stevie G.

The fat one has done stuff for England. So has Gary Lineker. Are we picking the team on most caps these days? Ignoring the fact that Gerrard has outplayed Lampard in every major tournament for England

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:35 pm

Oh, did he score the other night? That's all. How many times does he give the ball away and go for those stupid soft curlers from the edge of the box that are oh so predictable now.

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:37 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
CFCNick wrote:Anyone willing to drop Lampard from the England squad needs a slap. He's done more for England than Carrick and everyone's darling Stevie G.
The fat one has done stuff for England. So has Gary Lineker. Are we picking the team on most caps these days? Ignoring the fact that Gerrard has outplayed Lampard in every major tournament for England

No he hasn't. Lampard has played less and scored more for England than Gerrard. All whilst being booed by his own fans whilst those same fans come in their pants at the sight of Stevie.

by GSC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:38 pm

Wonder what your opinion would be if Lampard was a Liverpool player, and Gerrard a Chelsea player

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:38 pm

Very solid second half by totenham.

by westisbest Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:39 pm

Shouldn't have been pushed off the ball that easily.

Fkn poor

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:39 pm

If we're going just by goals scored in games, Peter Crouch can make a pretty good case to be one of England's greatest strikers.

Take off the blue tinted glasses my friend, for England at least Gerrard is above Lampard.

Club level it's a whole different kettle of fish

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:40 pm

Nonsense. Poopie load of nonsense. Gerrard has outplayed him in major tournaments. In fact, I think hes outscored him in tournaments too.

I wouldnt say right now "drop Lampard" but if Barkley and Morrison can carry on their early form then I think its more beneficial for England to take two youngsters on the bench, especially ones who will add pace late on, rather than a man who will likely retire after the tournament.

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:40 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Carrick was class the other night GSC. I would happily see the Gerrard and Carrick partnership again. Stupid post.

I said it then and I will say it again. You were drunk. (Must have been)

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:40 pm

Lampard would still be better. Gerrard wouldn't have gotten into the Chelsea team at the time he was breaking into the Liverpool side. Gerrard's style is all Hollywood, in your face and he's a diver. Lampard just plods along doing his business.

It's pointless taking too many players from the Barkley, Morrison, Redmond, Wilshere, Townsend group. They are all too inexperienced and it'll probably ruin their careers if they get played too early.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:43 pm

If England are going to considerably change the way their central midfield play, in a way which accommodates Lampard's style to let him get up the pitch further and more often, then fine. But Wilshere, Carrick and Gerrard are all better than Lampard in the role that England's central midfielders play.

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:45 pm

Lampard has played in that role for Chelsea for about 3/4 years now.

by NickisBHAFC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:46 pm

CFCNick wrote:Lampard would still be better. Gerrard wouldn't have gotten into the Chelsea team at the time he was breaking into the Liverpool side. Gerrard's style is all Hollywood, in your face and he's a diver. Lampard just plods along doing his business.

It's pointless taking too many players from the Barkley, Morrison, Redmond, Wilshere, Townsend group. They are all too inexperienced and it'll probably ruin their careers if they get played too early.

Completely biased post. I can't remember the last time Lampard played well in a major tournament for England. 2006 and 2010 he was shocking.

Gerrard > Lampard

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:48 pm

CFCNick wrote:Lampard has played in that role for Chelsea for about 3/4 years now.

Thats fine, but hes definitely allowed forward more, and hes not as good in that deeper role as Carrick, Gerrard and Wilshere. With the long term things a little in mind and the fact Lampard could be 4th, maybe third choice in the role, I dont see the point in him being there to not play.

by Duty281 Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:50 pm

For England at least, Gerrard is better than Lampard. Gerrard's better than Carrick as well. Gerrard and Wilshere for England's middle, Carrick can always come on to close a game out if need be - although I'd prefer the much underrated Scott Parker to do that role.

by westisbest Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:52 pm

Aaaaaand another yellow card for Delp.

Well i'm peed off.

I Frak cant stand Spurs

Never have liked them.

Fk sake.

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:52 pm

Lampard is better than Gerrard. He's had to compete with the likes of Ballack and Deco to keep his job whilst Gerrard has played with the likes of Igor Biscan and Jordan Henderson.

The whole England team were shocking in 2010 and half of them mentally left the tournament after the group stage in 06. Owen Hargreaves was our best player in 06 which says a lot. England haven't looked like actually winning a tournament since Euro 2004, in which Lampard was one of the tops players. I recall we would have beaten France thanks to Frank if Stevie didn't give away that stupid free kick.

The media have had their tongues firmly against Gerrard's ring piece since that goal against Olympiacos.

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:52 pm

Lennon getting most ridiculous yellow card with 2 mins to go..

by NickisBHAFC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:54 pm

Good win for Tottenham, Villa is a tough place to go as shown, beaten Arsenal and City this season.

They always seem to beat Villa!!!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:54 pm

Well, I think Gerrard is better than Lampard, and I think he always has been. I also think Deco and Ballack were shadows of the players they had been. Game of opinions.

I also think hes a Kumquat

by NickisBHAFC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:55 pm

Club level Lampard is better than Gerrard without question, but at International level Gerrard is better than Lampard without question!

by Duty281 Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:56 pm

Steve Gerrard, Gerrard,
He's big and he's fecking hard,
He's better than Frank Lampard,
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard. music

For England, Gerrard over Lampard any day - spoken from a non-biased point of view.

by Duty281 Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:56 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Club level Lampard is better than Gerrard without question, but at International level Gerrard is better than Lampard without question!

This. In a nutshell.

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:57 pm

Had enough of the lamps Gerrard debate.. neither should play anyway. Did someone mention 2004..

That's a decade ago ...

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 5:58 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Well, I think Gerrard is better than Lampard, and I think he always has been. I also think Deco and Ballack were shadows of the players they had been. Game of opinions.

I also think hes a Kumquat

You're a West Ham fan. Your opinion on Frank doesn't count.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:00 pm

I actually can be non-biased on it. Probably more so than you. Hes a better player than about 90% of English midfielders of his generation. But I prefer Gerrard. And Fatty is a Kumquat

by Duty281 Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:01 pm

CFCNick wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Well, I think Gerrard is better than Lampard, and I think he always has been. I also think Deco and Ballack were shadows of the players they had been. Game of opinions.

I also think hes a Kumquat
You're a West Ham fan. Your opinion on Frank doesn't count.

You're a Chelsea fan. Your opinion on a Liverpool legend doesn't count.

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:02 pm

Better than 99% of English midfielders in his generation as was Gerrard.

But. That generation is gone

by kingraf Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:03 pm

Lampards performances in 2006 & 2010 was peculiar, to say the least. Mainly because in both world cups he was quite probably the most in-form player in an England shirt. He was second in the 2005 WPOTY awards, playing sumptuous football for two years really, and flopped badly in 2006.

2010 came on the back of what was imo the most productive single season in EPL history, really. 22 goals 17 assists - Still have no clue how Rooney bagged POTY that year, other than the old "he was in a worse team" argument - as if he was slugging it out for Luton Town. For Lampard to perform so poorly was pretty whack, as I got myself tickets to the Eng vs USA game (was behind the posts when Greene did his thing)...

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:04 pm

A Liverpool legend yes. But when all is said and done he's just another big fish in a small pond with a few wonder goals. He's Matt Le Tissier with a few winners medals.

by westisbest Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:04 pm

I don't think i'll watch Villa again on tv.

Get to passionate/emotional, (not to the point where i start crying:) ).
Not good for the old ticker.

Next live games that i can think of are.

WBA a
Fulham a
Man Utd h ( god its about time we win this fixture).

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:06 pm

westisbest wrote:I don't think i'll watch Villa again on tv.

Get to passionate/emotional, (not to the point where i start crying:) ).
Not good for the old ticker.

Next live games that i can think of are.

WBA a
Fulham a
Man Utd h ( god its about time we win this fixture).

One of my best mates growing up is a big United fan. He's only been to OT once. Villa won 1-0.

by GSC Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:07 pm

CFCNick wrote:A Liverpool legend yes. But when all is said and done he's just another big fish in a small pond with a few wonder goals. He's Matt Le Tissier with a few winners medals.

Christ Chelsea fans got conceited quickly

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:08 pm

By small pond I'm referring to the players around him rather than the club. I know Liverpool are a bigger club than us.

by Duty281 Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:09 pm

CFCNick wrote:A Liverpool legend yes. But when all is said and done he's just another big fish in a small pond with a few wonder goals. He's Matt Le Tissier with a few winners medals.

England's most successful club are a small pond? Shocked

A few winners medals....because everyone has captained their boyhood club to a Champions League title at some point in their life.

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:11 pm

I award Gerrard with the legendary CL final perormance medal of all time. And he deserves it. He beats messi, ronaldo, zidane and drogba to the gong

Nuff said.

by kingraf Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:16 pm

Frank's been on the Ballon d'Or podium, won both WFA and PFA (despite having 2010 mystifyingly handed to Rooney) and scored more goals and recorded more assists - He is the superior player, imo. Taking nothing away from Gerrard, but Lamps is simply a from a different cloth.

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:17 pm

Those awards are nonsense compared to the mysti LCLFPOAT gong dude

by Stella Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:20 pm

Two different players, as with Scholes. For me, Gerrard is the best all round player. He can do it all, well he could when he the legs. A fantastic player.

by kingraf Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:21 pm

Is legendary the same thing as best, Mystir? Had an awful first half and outside of a remarkable, even by sporting standards, six minutes, Liverpool were hardly bossing it, mad it still took a legendary, if not downright miraculous double save from Dudek against the greatest Serie A striker in the 21st century to get to penalties. Gerrard hardly dominated that game.

by mystiroakey Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:24 pm

No lamps is more my type of player. But Gerrard has done more in bigger games.

As I said though I hate this debate in truth.. it's been going on for over 10 years and they shouldnt even be playing for England any more

by CFCNick Sun 20 Oct 2013, 6:27 pm

mystiroakey wrote:No lamps is more my type of player. But Gerrard has done more in bigger games.

As I said though I hate this debate in truth.. it's been going on for over 10 years and they shouldnt even be playing for England any more

Probably because he's only played in about 3 big games. Olympiacos, Istanbul and 06 FA Cup final.

He will dine out on those three games for the rest of his life.

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